According to the official website he's been training with the First Team since September 2020 with De Gea and Henderson and being coached by the First Team goalkeeping coaches. I wonder why he was given an improved contract 4 months later after moving up to the First Team environment.
Obviously not reading too much into this, but I did see on some link or other that Exeter were saying that they were interested in Bishop as well but couldn't afford to pay as much as we were allegedly prepared to pay. If true, and I don't think Exeter have money to burn any more than we do, it would suggest that Blackman is a slightly cheaper option than Bishop. Which, given where they are on their career paths probably seems about right to me.
We had Allsop and Stockdale as recently as two years ago but that is unusual. Currently we have a young lad who is showing enough potential to stay at the club and that alone for me give a certain confidence he’s a decent keeper.
I just don’t get why some have to discredit what we have just because we haven’t secured another player to compete.
Gareth and his coaching team surely do though don’t they? Which when you come to think about it is a lot more important than a load of people on a message board.
Other than the Allsop + not fully match ready Stockdale combination, I think the only other time since 2010/11 we've had experienced GK cover was when we had Blackman on loan with Brown as #2 in 2016/17. 2012/13 was a bit of a funny year with Bull leaving, Archer in on loan and then Ingram taking over for the last few games of the season. The back up keepers in those years have been Arnold, Ingram, Horlock, Lynch, YMK, Yates and Przybek. So it does look like the Ainsworth strategy is a more estabilshed #1, young #2 then emergency loans if #1 gets injured.
They have more of an idea than us, but no one really knows - he's played 90 minutes of professional football and had one (barely even a) save to make. That's not dismissing him, simply making the point that it's a risky, uncertain situation that they won't have wanted to be in.
i think it’s fair to assume we are waiting for Bishop, and that might be another 3 weeks or so. For now, given the lack of experience of our keepers, it would be quite straightforward to get an emergency loan in. We’ve done it before. But we are pointedly not doing that.
Dickinson was promoted to number 2 last season over Pryzbek, and given our previous dealings with young keepers (I.e., quite ruthlessly releasing them without playing), Dickinson is obviously rated. If the management think he deserves his chance, then so be it.
I believe the club would have to present a case for why it's in an emergency which has left the team without a senior GK, not sure "we haven't got around to signing anyone yet" would necessarily be persuasive enough.
58.1 If all the Professional Goalkeepers at a Club are unavailable as a result of having been:
58.1.1 certified by an independent medical practitioner as being unfit to play;
58.1.2 suspended; or
58.1.3 called up to play for his national association representative matches in accordance with the requirements of FIFA as laid down from time to time,
a Club may register (either before or after the deadlines laid down in Regulations 44.2 and 44.3), a further goalkeeper on a short term basis in accordance with the following provisions.
Guidance
A Professional Goalkeeper is a goalkeeper (excluding any goalkeeper registered as a Non-Contract Player) who has been named in the starting eleven on five or more occasions by:
any Club (or Premier League club) in any matches in the relevant league or first team cup competitions (other than the EFL Trophy); and/or
any other club in a professional league in that club’s home association (by way of example, any division of the Scottish Professional Football League, or Serie A, B or C).
58.2 The Club must supply to The League written evidence to demonstrate the circumstances set out in Regulation 58.1 apply, together with the appropriate form(s) for his registration and The League having confirmed that the circumstances conform to the provisions of this Regulation:
58.2.1 in respect of any fixture played on a weekday when the Office is normally open, at least three hours before the match; or
58.2.2 in respect of any other fixture:
(a) 12 noon on the day of the match; or
(b) at least three hours before the match,
whichever is the earlier.
Guidance
Medical evidence cannot be accepted from anyone connected to the Club, nor is it acceptable to obtain a report from another Club’s club doctor.
If a Player has been removed from play in line with the concussion protocols then this will be accepted as evidence of the Players unavailability.
Goalkeepers that have been deemed unavailable cannot be named on a Team Sheet during the loan period.
Goalkeepers on an Emergency Goalkeeper loan may be recalled by their Parent Club during the period of the loan in exceptional circumstances and subject to the approval of the League (i.e. as per the similar rights in the context of Standard Loans of goalkeepers).
Clubs should be aware that the Premier League does not permit Premier League Clubs to send goalkeepers on seven day emergency loans into the EFL.
58.3 The period of any Emergency Goalkeeper Loan:
58.3.1 shall be for a period of seven days, inclusive of the starting date and finishing date; and
58.3.2 may be renewed for seven days at a time, subject to compliance with Regulation 58.2 in respect of each proposed renewal.
58.4 Any goalkeeper registered under the provisions of this Regulation must be included in the starting 11 on the Team Sheet, and must start the Match
58.5 The provisions of Regulation 55.4.2 shall not apply to an Emergency Goalkeeper Loan.
As of now, we could surely take a GK as a regular one month loan if Bishop was unlikely to arrive until September, so no need for an emergency loan. Presumably GA either believes Bishop will arrive before that or is comfortable in Tyla's ability to remain our GK for the next few games at least.
By the time the regular loan window closes, if we haven't signed a GK in the meantime, Tyla would have become a "professional GK" and hence the emergency loan would be possible if but only if he got injured.
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He signed his first pro contract at Southend in May 2018 at 18.
Manchester United signed him in Jan 2020 when he was 20 on his second pro contract up until June 2022
Manchester United sign him on an improved and longer deal in Jan 2021 for his third pro contract until June 2023
Either way he'll be on a development team contract not a first team one
Wonder whether Jamal Blackman was one of them
Doubt it
Was that a guess?
According to the official website he's been training with the First Team since September 2020 with De Gea and Henderson and being coached by the First Team goalkeeping coaches. I wonder why he was given an improved contract 4 months later after moving up to the First Team environment.
Obviously not reading too much into this, but I did see on some link or other that Exeter were saying that they were interested in Bishop as well but couldn't afford to pay as much as we were allegedly prepared to pay. If true, and I don't think Exeter have money to burn any more than we do, it would suggest that Blackman is a slightly cheaper option than Bishop. Which, given where they are on their career paths probably seems about right to me.
He's not going to be on anywhere near what Gazzaniga is on....
same old stores , missing out on targets....whats the saying? paying peanuts
gets you ......
Nothing because peanuts aren't legal tender anywhere?
It has been acted on. As of next season I believe.
I'll have your cheese & onion if your going to be launching them?
Whispers of Mawson again
Long game on both.
Yes we have, and he will remain as No 1. until the club have somebody that the manager considers to be a better No 1.
Good squads have at least two quality options in every position.
Currently we have one in goal and until we get a second he’ll do for me.
Not at lower league levels surely.
Two "quality" keepers at the same time is probably only something we've had once in about 20 years in the league
And no I don't mean Cheesewright and Parkin!
We also have no idea if Dickinson is quality or not
We had Allsop and Stockdale as recently as two years ago but that is unusual. Currently we have a young lad who is showing enough potential to stay at the club and that alone for me give a certain confidence he’s a decent keeper.
I just don’t get why some have to discredit what we have just because we haven’t secured another player to compete.
Gareth and his coaching team surely do though don’t they? Which when you come to think about it is a lot more important than a load of people on a message board.
GA has no choice ! we have no1 else !
Other than the Allsop + not fully match ready Stockdale combination, I think the only other time since 2010/11 we've had experienced GK cover was when we had Blackman on loan with Brown as #2 in 2016/17. 2012/13 was a bit of a funny year with Bull leaving, Archer in on loan and then Ingram taking over for the last few games of the season. The back up keepers in those years have been Arnold, Ingram, Horlock, Lynch, YMK, Yates and Przybek. So it does look like the Ainsworth strategy is a more estabilshed #1, young #2 then emergency loans if #1 gets injured.
They have more of an idea than us, but no one really knows - he's played 90 minutes of professional football and had one (barely even a) save to make. That's not dismissing him, simply making the point that it's a risky, uncertain situation that they won't have wanted to be in.
i think it’s fair to assume we are waiting for Bishop, and that might be another 3 weeks or so. For now, given the lack of experience of our keepers, it would be quite straightforward to get an emergency loan in. We’ve done it before. But we are pointedly not doing that.
Dickinson was promoted to number 2 last season over Pryzbek, and given our previous dealings with young keepers (I.e., quite ruthlessly releasing them without playing), Dickinson is obviously rated. If the management think he deserves his chance, then so be it.
I thought you could only get emergency loans in the event of injury leaving you short of senior GKs?
I believe the club would have to present a case for why it's in an emergency which has left the team without a senior GK, not sure "we haven't got around to signing anyone yet" would necessarily be persuasive enough.
58 EMERGENCY GOALKEEPER LOAN
58.1 If all the Professional Goalkeepers at a Club are unavailable as a result of having been:
58.1.1 certified by an independent medical practitioner as being unfit to play;
58.1.2 suspended; or
58.1.3 called up to play for his national association representative matches in accordance with the requirements of FIFA as laid down from time to time,
a Club may register (either before or after the deadlines laid down in Regulations 44.2 and 44.3), a further goalkeeper on a short term basis in accordance with the following provisions.
Guidance
A Professional Goalkeeper is a goalkeeper (excluding any goalkeeper registered as a Non-Contract Player) who has been named in the starting eleven on five or more occasions by:
58.2 The Club must supply to The League written evidence to demonstrate the circumstances set out in Regulation 58.1 apply, together with the appropriate form(s) for his registration and The League having confirmed that the circumstances conform to the provisions of this Regulation:
58.2.1 in respect of any fixture played on a weekday when the Office is normally open, at least three hours before the match; or
58.2.2 in respect of any other fixture:
(a) 12 noon on the day of the match; or
(b) at least three hours before the match,
whichever is the earlier.
Guidance
Medical evidence cannot be accepted from anyone connected to the Club, nor is it acceptable to obtain a report from another Club’s club doctor.
If a Player has been removed from play in line with the concussion protocols then this will be accepted as evidence of the Players unavailability.
Goalkeepers that have been deemed unavailable cannot be named on a Team Sheet during the loan period.
Goalkeepers on an Emergency Goalkeeper loan may be recalled by their Parent Club during the period of the loan in exceptional circumstances and subject to the approval of the League (i.e. as per the similar rights in the context of Standard Loans of goalkeepers).
Clubs should be aware that the Premier League does not permit Premier League Clubs to send goalkeepers on seven day emergency loans into the EFL.
58.3 The period of any Emergency Goalkeeper Loan:
58.3.1 shall be for a period of seven days, inclusive of the starting date and finishing date; and
58.3.2 may be renewed for seven days at a time, subject to compliance with Regulation 58.2 in respect of each proposed renewal.
58.4 Any goalkeeper registered under the provisions of this Regulation must be included in the starting 11 on the Team Sheet, and must start the Match
58.5 The provisions of Regulation 55.4.2 shall not apply to an Emergency Goalkeeper Loan.
Seeing as we don't have any goalkeepers unavailable under the conditions described in 58.1 I don't believe we are eligible for an emergency loan.
58.2 was what I meant by having to present a case
As of now, we could surely take a GK as a regular one month loan if Bishop was unlikely to arrive until September, so no need for an emergency loan. Presumably GA either believes Bishop will arrive before that or is comfortable in Tyla's ability to remain our GK for the next few games at least.
By the time the regular loan window closes, if we haven't signed a GK in the meantime, Tyla would have become a "professional GK" and hence the emergency loan would be possible if but only if he got injured.
I think 'standard' loans can only be for half a season or for a full season.