They'd run straight through and over you. Vicious.
Interesting if fairly biased post above about people using mental distress to swing the lead, I'm fairly sure there was some evidence that the people in distress but at work far outweighs anything the other way round. There were far more people taking sickies 20 years ago than there are now btw, far more people are paid by the hour or on short contracts now that wouldn't be renewed and young people drink less.
Have to wonder back In the good old days when people were told to stop being pansies and get on with it how much of that was to cover abuse of one kind or another.
Just because you have been diagnosed with mental health problems doesn't mean you have to sit at home doing sod all. If the diagnosis stems from work related stress, shutting yourself away at home is just going to exacerbate the problem.
Thanks, a considered post. I believe you are partly right, but also wonder if the accusation of "pansies" might as well have been directed to those with genuine MH issues at the time?
Still hasn't persuaded me away from my belief that SM is a huge contributor to this current "epidemic".
Social media is undoubtedly a massive contributor - especially Instagram, I'd say, for the ease with which it makes people feel crap about their bodies etc. Influencer culture has a lot to answer for.
Agreed, it would have been dished out for a variety of reasons, mostly inconsiderate or unpleasant.
Wasn't actually disagreeing about Social media as a cause btw, it does have a lot of dark sides and is poorly regulated. Long queues for access to medical services and suitable facilities will also be a factors.
As someone who was at an inner city comp in an area that promised little for your future where just doing your homework was reason enough to be duffed up on a regular basis, I must admit I find the seemingly enormous levels of 'anxiety' amongst young adults staggering.
As a kid I was fairly withdrawn and quiet. I dare say these days people would have thrown labels on that, when in reality it was just something a lot of people go through growing up.
But for anyone who really has anxiety the whole time it must be torture, as we've all had moments of it, and that's not great.
Imagine being a 13 year old now. No escape from torment. Get home and people are taunting you online. If you don't get social media you're an outcast, if you do you're given the highlight of someone's life like its the everyday, and have the ability to filter how you look and scrutinise every aspect of it. Your attention span is minimal as you're fed 5 second videos all day.
There's more than enough reasons why kids are more anxious today than they've ever been.
We recently camped at a well know chalet/caravan holiday park. In the entertainment venue one night we noticed a young teenage girl constantly looking at her phone, briefly typing then putting the phone down, only to pick it up again 5 secs later. All her attention was focussed on this phone. She was quite literally shaking with nerves, How we as adults have meekly allowed our children's lives (and souls) to be taken over by mobile phone and social media company's whose only concern is profit is completely beyond my comprehension.
We are still in the early days of social media (relatively speaking). Whilst it is clear that the experience is depressing and awful for some it should also be balanced that it is liberating and enriching for others.
For better or worse in some ways it can be a safe meeting space to (virtually initially) talk and get to know your peer group and however alien it seems to someone of my generation by the time boy meets girl (and the pleasingly many variations on the theme that seem to be readily accepted by the current generation) they already know an awful lot about each other.
i find it an interesting observation that amongst my children’s peer group since mid-teens they and their friends seem to form partnerships that last a lot longer that I seem to remember from my misspent youth.
Ultimately I believe that the generation that has grown up with social media will be the ones that learn how to live with it, use it constructively and police it appropriately.
“Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand…”
And apologies for quoting Dylan but nearly 60 years on it still seems apt
I work with young people and the amount of referrals to CAMHS is through the roof, along with suicidal thoughts and attempts.
Social media is a massive contributor, but also there is a real loss of hope for the future. The climate crisis, increasing inequality and social mobility, no chance of buying a house, governments who cheat and lie, worsening standard of living, a lowering of life expectancy, war in Europe, loss of ability to live, study and work abroad etc etc.
I’ve had cause to help a suicidal young person to seek assistance with their mental health recently and it took 4 weeks to access anything at all and still no in person treatment.
Its a tough gig for them out there, especially as they missed out on a year or more of socialisation and education.
'however alien it seems to someone of my generation by the time boy meets girl (and the pleasingly many variations on the theme that seem to be readily accepted by the current generation) they already know an awful lot about each other.'
I've always thought 'sliding into someone's DMs,' robs you of the best/worst part of your teenage years. Nothing replicates the unique mixture of dread and hope you feel when you're about to tell someone you like them!
Biggest problem in relation to the epidemic of MH issues is the acceptance and normalisation of the use of cannabis. It's getting to the stage now where you can smell it in the air in any populated public space most of the time.
Sadly many who use it believe it helps to calm them when it's much more likely to actually be fuelling their depression and psychosis.
Add it to the pressures of SM and you have recipe for disaster.
Cause and effect when it comes to social media and loss of hope for the future. Social media rarely casts any positives spins on any part of life. There are certainly new challenges for the next generations regarding our world but unfortunately pedalling fear to these poor kids is a hobby for some. There is very little appetite to seek truth rather to be spoon fed opinion as fact. It's a dangerous position for our youth to find themselves and no wonder life is far more complex than it used to be.
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They'd run straight through and over you. Vicious.
Interesting if fairly biased post above about people using mental distress to swing the lead, I'm fairly sure there was some evidence that the people in distress but at work far outweighs anything the other way round. There were far more people taking sickies 20 years ago than there are now btw, far more people are paid by the hour or on short contracts now that wouldn't be renewed and young people drink less.
Have to wonder back In the good old days when people were told to stop being pansies and get on with it how much of that was to cover abuse of one kind or another.
aren't you a tough man....
Just because you have been diagnosed with mental health problems doesn't mean you have to sit at home doing sod all. If the diagnosis stems from work related stress, shutting yourself away at home is just going to exacerbate the problem.
Gotta say, can't wait until the primary schools return and we don't have @Wanderers82 posting during the day.
another mature respoae from you , maybe you need to go back primary school
Said the less educated! 🙄
Thanks, a considered post. I believe you are partly right, but also wonder if the accusation of "pansies" might as well have been directed to those with genuine MH issues at the time?
Still hasn't persuaded me away from my belief that SM is a huge contributor to this current "epidemic".
Social media is undoubtedly a massive contributor - especially Instagram, I'd say, for the ease with which it makes people feel crap about their bodies etc. Influencer culture has a lot to answer for.
Peter Kay. The exact quote is, "despite numerous warnings, you have never actually met anyone who has had their arm broken by a swan".
Agreed, it would have been dished out for a variety of reasons, mostly inconsiderate or unpleasant.
Wasn't actually disagreeing about Social media as a cause btw, it does have a lot of dark sides and is poorly regulated. Long queues for access to medical services and suitable facilities will also be a factors.
Because they've all been warned.
I think it would now almost be a distraction if Nathan Bishop did actually sign. Has anyone ever seen him? Does he definitely exist?
Who?
As someone who was at an inner city comp in an area that promised little for your future where just doing your homework was reason enough to be duffed up on a regular basis, I must admit I find the seemingly enormous levels of 'anxiety' amongst young adults staggering.
Maybe we can pick him up on the way to Bolton, bring his stuff back down with him on the team coach.
Perhaps we all just have to truly believe and, Lo he will be revealed to us.
As a kid I was fairly withdrawn and quiet. I dare say these days people would have thrown labels on that, when in reality it was just something a lot of people go through growing up.
But for anyone who really has anxiety the whole time it must be torture, as we've all had moments of it, and that's not great.
Imagine being a 13 year old now. No escape from torment. Get home and people are taunting you online. If you don't get social media you're an outcast, if you do you're given the highlight of someone's life like its the everyday, and have the ability to filter how you look and scrutinise every aspect of it. Your attention span is minimal as you're fed 5 second videos all day.
There's more than enough reasons why kids are more anxious today than they've ever been.
Agreed.
That feeling of escaping school, the teachers and mostly a lot of loathsome kids every end of term was the absolute peak of my year at that age.
Imagine having to face them every day in holidays and evenings too.
We recently camped at a well know chalet/caravan holiday park. In the entertainment venue one night we noticed a young teenage girl constantly looking at her phone, briefly typing then putting the phone down, only to pick it up again 5 secs later. All her attention was focussed on this phone. She was quite literally shaking with nerves, How we as adults have meekly allowed our children's lives (and souls) to be taken over by mobile phone and social media company's whose only concern is profit is completely beyond my comprehension.
Exactly so @malone. I'm thankful i got through my teen (and college) years before social media came along to ruin it.
We are still in the early days of social media (relatively speaking). Whilst it is clear that the experience is depressing and awful for some it should also be balanced that it is liberating and enriching for others.
For better or worse in some ways it can be a safe meeting space to (virtually initially) talk and get to know your peer group and however alien it seems to someone of my generation by the time boy meets girl (and the pleasingly many variations on the theme that seem to be readily accepted by the current generation) they already know an awful lot about each other.
i find it an interesting observation that amongst my children’s peer group since mid-teens they and their friends seem to form partnerships that last a lot longer that I seem to remember from my misspent youth.
Ultimately I believe that the generation that has grown up with social media will be the ones that learn how to live with it, use it constructively and police it appropriately.
“Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand…”
And apologies for quoting Dylan but nearly 60 years on it still seems apt
I work with young people and the amount of referrals to CAMHS is through the roof, along with suicidal thoughts and attempts.
Social media is a massive contributor, but also there is a real loss of hope for the future. The climate crisis, increasing inequality and social mobility, no chance of buying a house, governments who cheat and lie, worsening standard of living, a lowering of life expectancy, war in Europe, loss of ability to live, study and work abroad etc etc.
I’ve had cause to help a suicidal young person to seek assistance with their mental health recently and it took 4 weeks to access anything at all and still no in person treatment.
Its a tough gig for them out there, especially as they missed out on a year or more of socialisation and education.
'however alien it seems to someone of my generation by the time boy meets girl (and the pleasingly many variations on the theme that seem to be readily accepted by the current generation) they already know an awful lot about each other.'
I've always thought 'sliding into someone's DMs,' robs you of the best/worst part of your teenage years. Nothing replicates the unique mixture of dread and hope you feel when you're about to tell someone you like them!
Biggest problem in relation to the epidemic of MH issues is the acceptance and normalisation of the use of cannabis. It's getting to the stage now where you can smell it in the air in any populated public space most of the time.
Sadly many who use it believe it helps to calm them when it's much more likely to actually be fuelling their depression and psychosis.
Add it to the pressures of SM and you have recipe for disaster.
Cause and effect when it comes to social media and loss of hope for the future. Social media rarely casts any positives spins on any part of life. There are certainly new challenges for the next generations regarding our world but unfortunately pedalling fear to these poor kids is a hobby for some. There is very little appetite to seek truth rather to be spoon fed opinion as fact. It's a dangerous position for our youth to find themselves and no wonder life is far more complex than it used to be.
I can relate to that @Twizz have you got a camera in my house?? 😂
Meanwhile still no announcement about Bishop
No offence. From a 26 year old. You're massively out of touch on this.