I personally think if Bishop does sign it will be today or tomorrow. I would imagine if we haven’t found a way to sort out the remaining issue by then it is likely to be an irresolvable issue and we shall look elsewhere.
i think GA has enough faith in Dickinson to allow 2 or 3 weeks to find the best/right fit
To a degree, there’s some plausibility to Manchester United wanting to keep Bishop for this weekend’s matches, given they slightly bizarrely had arranged to play two sides from La Liga in the space of 24 hours with one match in Oslo and one in Manchester.
It looks like they basically played two completely different sides which would be at least some justification for keeping their 4 main goalkeepers (De Gea, Heaton, Kovar & Bishop - with Henderson out on loan at Forest).
However, Heaton and Kovar flew back from Oslo and we’re in the side for the game at Old Trafford, so Bishop was one of two goalkeepers on the bench.
Maybe there is something to the suggestion that Heaton had a knock and Bishop was there just in case they needed another keeper, which in the end they didn’t really.
All Premier teams have at least 4 pro keepers. If I remember correctly, when we signed Blackman on loan from Chelsea he was their fifth choice and on £15k per week.
This has always worried me about having a "Loanee" in as a Goalkeeper. As it's such a specialised position and it's prob the only position that isn't changed when rotating the squad, all it takes is for the parent club to recall the player and we could be in this situation again during the season and with less notice!
While I get that Bishop is out of contract and that we would be in prime position to sign him, we often don't. I look at GK's that we've had, like Frank Fielding, who attracted other offers from higher clubs and we were still keeper-less the next summer.
We've got a pretty good record of players coming back after loans or a bit down the track. Also I'm not sure if season long loans can be recalled anymore. Oddly if you could we might have announced him weeks ago and he still wouldn't have played on Saturday.
I never realised Bishop is a local lad ! Apparently, according to a couple of lads at work the same age, he grew up in Bourne End and went to school in Beaconsfield. Sorry if that's old news, but I never knew.
I think the rule for getting an emergency keeper on loan is that no other keeper has player 5 or more matches. So assuming Bishop came in before the 5th match then we'd be able to replace him even if he did get recalled
That does create an odd incentive with Dickinson - while it’s great for him to get experience, once he’s reached 5 games we wouldn’t then be able to keep him and rely on emergency loans.
Some might say that by only having one (currently none) senior keeper who meets the five game threshold we are gaming the system in the first place.
No need to be sorry @HolmerBlue. I knew (but had forgotten) that he was a local lad and that is an important factor, especially as someone on here was suggesting earlier today that he might have chosen to go to a club nearer home !
Bourne end junior clubs seem produce a few players. Ex Arsenal and Millwall striker Paul Shaw, The Togwell brothers and now Bishop. Another one for the future is a mixed race lad who would now be 15. He played against my sons team about 3 years ago, and he was the best thing I've ever seen at that level. He was picking the ball up midfield and just gliding through the opposing players, he scored about six that day.
For want of not upsetting people, and I had to Google it to be sure, such is the ever changing nature amd language of the subject....but I'm not sure that you are allowed to use the term "mixed race" anymore. I'm sure it was said with the intention of being P.C but may be worth editing as it may upset someone.
@Chris you are as clued up about this stuff as anyone, and I'm not trying to catch anyone out but I'm genuinely interested in it. How is "people of colour" an acceptable description when "coloured" is not?
I'm perfectly ok with using whichever terms are deemed non offensive and consider myself very "PC", but I've never been able to understand this one from a linguistic perspective
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I personally think if Bishop does sign it will be today or tomorrow. I would imagine if we haven’t found a way to sort out the remaining issue by then it is likely to be an irresolvable issue and we shall look elsewhere.
i think GA has enough faith in Dickinson to allow 2 or 3 weeks to find the best/right fit
Sorry! Couldn’t resist…
It’s certainly an odd situation.
To a degree, there’s some plausibility to Manchester United wanting to keep Bishop for this weekend’s matches, given they slightly bizarrely had arranged to play two sides from La Liga in the space of 24 hours with one match in Oslo and one in Manchester.
It looks like they basically played two completely different sides which would be at least some justification for keeping their 4 main goalkeepers (De Gea, Heaton, Kovar & Bishop - with Henderson out on loan at Forest).
However, Heaton and Kovar flew back from Oslo and we’re in the side for the game at Old Trafford, so Bishop was one of two goalkeepers on the bench.
Maybe there is something to the suggestion that Heaton had a knock and Bishop was there just in case they needed another keeper, which in the end they didn’t really.
Hopefully the fog will clear as the week goes on.
Is De Gea no longer first choice at Man Utd? Why do they need 4 keepers?
All Premier teams have at least 4 pro keepers. If I remember correctly, when we signed Blackman on loan from Chelsea he was their fifth choice and on £15k per week.
This has always worried me about having a "Loanee" in as a Goalkeeper. As it's such a specialised position and it's prob the only position that isn't changed when rotating the squad, all it takes is for the parent club to recall the player and we could be in this situation again during the season and with less notice!
While I get that Bishop is out of contract and that we would be in prime position to sign him, we often don't. I look at GK's that we've had, like Frank Fielding, who attracted other offers from higher clubs and we were still keeper-less the next summer.
I don’t think recalls are allowed these days outside of a transfer window.
We've got a pretty good record of players coming back after loans or a bit down the track. Also I'm not sure if season long loans can be recalled anymore. Oddly if you could we might have announced him weeks ago and he still wouldn't have played on Saturday.
That's right
I never realised Bishop is a local lad ! Apparently, according to a couple of lads at work the same age, he grew up in Bourne End and went to school in Beaconsfield. Sorry if that's old news, but I never knew.
I think the rule for getting an emergency keeper on loan is that no other keeper has player 5 or more matches. So assuming Bishop came in before the 5th match then we'd be able to replace him even if he did get recalled
Well, I guess the parent club could put a clause in that let them do that - but the receiving club would never agree to it.
That does create an odd incentive with Dickinson - while it’s great for him to get experience, once he’s reached 5 games we wouldn’t then be able to keep him and rely on emergency loans.
Some might say that by only having one (currently none) senior keeper who meets the five game threshold we are gaming the system in the first place.
No need to be sorry @HolmerBlue. I knew (but had forgotten) that he was a local lad and that is an important factor, especially as someone on here was suggesting earlier today that he might have chosen to go to a club nearer home !
Would staying at his Mum's (food and washing done) save him enough money to cover the pay cut?
Just popped by to see if he was here. Ah well, in Gaz, Dobbo and Tyler D we trust.
Stop winding up @micra!
Perish the thought!
Nobody.
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Bourne end junior clubs seem produce a few players. Ex Arsenal and Millwall striker Paul Shaw, The Togwell brothers and now Bishop. Another one for the future is a mixed race lad who would now be 15. He played against my sons team about 3 years ago, and he was the best thing I've ever seen at that level. He was picking the ball up midfield and just gliding through the opposing players, he scored about six that day.
For want of not upsetting people, and I had to Google it to be sure, such is the ever changing nature amd language of the subject....but I'm not sure that you are allowed to use the term "mixed race" anymore. I'm sure it was said with the intention of being P.C but may be worth editing as it may upset someone.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m under the impression that the term mixed race is fine?
@Chris you are as clued up about this stuff as anyone, and I'm not trying to catch anyone out but I'm genuinely interested in it. How is "people of colour" an acceptable description when "coloured" is not?
I'm perfectly ok with using whichever terms are deemed non offensive and consider myself very "PC", but I've never been able to understand this one from a linguistic perspective
@eric_plant I’m not sure there is an answer to that question - it’s just the way it is.
I’ve looked at a few articles (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-30999175.amp , https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-dahleen-glanton-colored-email-reading-list-20200304-utx7geiwm5hupa3t7w6xr3xqn4-story.html , https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/08/colored-person-versus-person-of-color-how-does-society-decide-which-racial-terms-are-acceptable.html ) the last of which seems to come closest to an explanation, but more of why terms change rather than why one specific term is preferred to the preceding one.
I thought mixed race was fine too.
Cheers, helpful articles
Is it not rooted in apartheid? Or does it pre-date that?