@Malone said:
First time I think I've seen a player booked for time wasting as punishment for a team's collective time wasting?
Stockdale had really been wasting time, fairly unnecessarily and Obita then was booked for a delayed throw in.
But the ref started pointing at the goal Stockdale was in suggesting it was for previous team time wasting.
It happens for fouls too, once the refs warned a few players you'd be fairly stupid to do it again obviously soon after. Not going to have a go at them totally as it helps but there's a place and time.
But I've only ever seen a ref point around at areas where that player himself has made fouls.
To be pointing to our keeper to say about his time wasting was truly bizarre.
The only suggestion so far currently contracted for next season is Scowen! Hopefully Vokes is just a formality and we've got something in the works with Tools.
@Malone said:
First time I think I've seen a player booked for time wasting as punishment for a team's collective time wasting?
Stockdale had really been wasting time, fairly unnecessarily and Obita then was booked for a delayed throw in.
But the ref started pointing at the goal Stockdale was in suggesting it was for previous team time wasting.
It happens for fouls too, once the refs warned a few players you'd be fairly stupid to do it again obviously soon after. Not going to have a go at them totally as it helps but there's a place and time.
But I've only ever seen a ref point around at areas where that player himself has made fouls.
To be pointing to our keeper to say about his time wasting was truly bizarre.
Ah yeah, they won't admit but it definitely happens, seeing as every bit of timewasting these days is accompanied by large amounts of booing a warning to one player should really be seen as a warning to all.
@eric_plant said:
Anthony Stewart was born to be Wycombe captain. He led a very successful youth team with distinction. He's a leader
That said, it's got to be Vokes if he's still around
There's a reason Ainsworth avoids giving him captaincy. Maybe he himself doesn't want it.
Have to say I love him. Understated with his football. Let's his football do the talking. Deserves every bit of credit he gets.
But I agree, Vokes has to be captain next season. McCleary vice.
I like Stewart with his brute strength and years of dedication to the cause (post half year limbo and Crewe mess of course!).
He does knock it long quite often though. I've never seen anyone mention him for doing it, in a way they do for other players.
Must admit I did think that last night. He seemed to be the only one doing it consistently. Having said that he is a great defender it did not look like Taff and himself would be topped last night.
Stewart has one killer long pass in his armoury though - the long balls he plays tend to be from two thirds up our own half and about half way between the centre spot and the right wing and they're usually bendy and accurate enough that they cause problems. I don't mind watching those at all.
Finally got to see the goals...the foul on McLeary was the other side from me so I was not sure what happened, but what a recovery. What the hell were the Cambridge players moaning about? And their player should definitely have been booked for such a cynical hack! Oh Gareth McLeary! (I hope he stays for another season as well! What a player!)
@Wendoverman said:
Great first half and we did what we had to do in the second. Cambridge looked quite toothless but what a team performance. Horgan the best I've seen him, Wing is a good player, Scowen, Mcleary, Taffs, Stewart, Obita all on form but my MOTM was Vokes again. Onwards we march. (No complaints about GMac getting the nod by the way.) @Wanderers82 obviously still dazzled by the fireworks.
fantastic performance tonight, Vokes was exceptional ad well and Anis , GMac (should of scored his 1on 1 in 1st half) as well as Taf , what a huge difference he makes . was refreshing to see us playing the ball on the floor....keep it up GA!
I’ve had an idea about time wasting reading this thread and taking inspiration from slow over rate in cricket. How about stopping individual bookings for time wasting. When any player from a team is seen to be time wasting, the ref stops the game and warns the Captain on the field (or Manager). If this continues, captain/manager is booked. Then a red card. Taking away the personal aspect of the punishment and making it a team punishment would make it less likely to happen, just human nature.
3 game ban for Captain/touchline ban for Manager for first red card offence. 4 game for second offence. 5 game ban for third offence. Referees meet with clubs at start of season and make the rules clear and stress they will be enforced. That would stop blatant time wasting very quickly.
I really think it is a better solution than individual bookings. To their credit, I think referees have allowed the game to flow more this season/far less soft free kicks (especially at the top level) and the game is a much better spectacle for it. Reducing time wasting/faking injury/game management would be a great next aim.
@ReturnToSenda said:
I thought Stuart Attwell did a very good job in the CC final in terms of letting it flow. As for the VAR...
I get what you mean but "Letting it flow" is one of those footy phrases to keep an eye on. It does sometimes just mean not taking action. I don't remember the ref being awful in that game but when the ref in the Euros final let the game flow he wasn't far off legalising assault.
@ReturnToSenda said:
I thought Stuart Attwell did a very good job in the CC final in terms of letting it flow. As for the VAR...
Carabao Cup Final? (I got bewildered - something that afflicts the aged - after @Quarterman had referred to over rates in cricket and I’d forgotten that one of our national cup finals takes place in winter!). Shows how much interest I take in tinpot cup competitions in which my club appears to have little interest. Priorities elsewhere, I suppose.
@ReturnToSenda said:
I thought Stuart Attwell did a very good job in the CC final in terms of letting it flow. As for the VAR...
Carabao Cup Final? (I got bewildered - something that afflicts the aged - after @Quarterman had referred to over rates in cricket and I’d forgotten that one of our national cup finals takes place in winter!). Shows how much interest I take in tinpot cup competitions in which my club appears to have little interest. Priorities elsewhere, I suppose.
Yep! As good a 0-0 as you're going to see, and an epic (if boring, such is how ridiculously good players are at pens now) shootout with a hilarious ending.
@micra We were interested enough to win through two rounds and secure a plum away tie with Man City, an experience which several thousand Wycombe fans thoroughly enjoyed. Gareth would be disappointed in your lack of interest and support for what the lads achieved in the Carabao Cup this season.
Just saw the fireworks...look brilliant from the FA and Family Stand, so a great success for the target audience. Just a few flame throwers and a lot of smoke for the Beechdean though the warmth was welcomed.
Having just watched the rerun of Cambridge game I noticed on a number of occasions Taf & Stewart standing in the penalty area as if waiting for a short goal kick to be taken, only for Stockdale to wave them away and kick long.
This has become the more sophisticated way to delay the restart and many teams have used it successfully against us. So far refs don't seemed to have noticed it's just as blatant game management - but I wonder if GA & Dobbo have spotted the opportunity.
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But I've only ever seen a ref point around at areas where that player himself has made fouls.
To be pointing to our keeper to say about his time wasting was truly bizarre.
I like Stewart with his brute strength and years of dedication to the cause (post half year limbo and Crewe mess of course!).
He does knock it long quite often though. I've never seen anyone mention him for doing it, in a way they do for other players.
The only suggestion so far currently contracted for next season is Scowen! Hopefully Vokes is just a formality and we've got something in the works with Tools.
Ah yeah, they won't admit but it definitely happens, seeing as every bit of timewasting these days is accompanied by large amounts of booing a warning to one player should really be seen as a warning to all.
Must admit I did think that last night. He seemed to be the only one doing it consistently. Having said that he is a great defender it did not look like Taff and himself would be topped last night.
Stewart has one killer long pass in his armoury though - the long balls he plays tend to be from two thirds up our own half and about half way between the centre spot and the right wing and they're usually bendy and accurate enough that they cause problems. I don't mind watching those at all.
Lovely win and great performances by all. Someone mentioned the timewasting at 2 3 nil. Goal difference could be a decider in April.
Finally got to see the goals...the foul on McLeary was the other side from me so I was not sure what happened, but what a recovery. What the hell were the Cambridge players moaning about? And their player should definitely have been booked for such a cynical hack! Oh Gareth McLeary! (I hope he stays for another season as well! What a player!)
Can you persuade your manager to keep you there until May?
Not sure I could take a few months of this place, even for Wycombe!!!
Welcome to the Prairie State @Shev. All of it is better than Chicago!
Ah, c’mon @Shev . It’s less than two months (last game 28 April). Oh, sorry, I’m forgetting the playoffs.
Chicago is a giant American Luton.
It is certainly going to be embarrassing if we fail to beat Crewe when I am watching back in Denver.
unlucky son?!!!
Chicago is the best American city
Wigan's time wasting last week was no less obvious and laboured. The difference is the ref then was completely weak-kneed over it.
I’ve always hated our timewasting/“game management”, or at least that we seem to take it to an extreme beyond the standard stuff that everyone does.
But then I think back to the Cheltenham game where we didn’t do it, and look how that went. Hopefully there’s a middle ground.
No time for time wasting in that game @PBo !
I too get embarrassed by it sometimes.
I’ve had an idea about time wasting reading this thread and taking inspiration from slow over rate in cricket. How about stopping individual bookings for time wasting. When any player from a team is seen to be time wasting, the ref stops the game and warns the Captain on the field (or Manager). If this continues, captain/manager is booked. Then a red card. Taking away the personal aspect of the punishment and making it a team punishment would make it less likely to happen, just human nature.
3 game ban for Captain/touchline ban for Manager for first red card offence. 4 game for second offence. 5 game ban for third offence. Referees meet with clubs at start of season and make the rules clear and stress they will be enforced. That would stop blatant time wasting very quickly.
As a ref I’m okay with this. Ref warns the team to stop timewasting and eventually books one player to ‘sort it out’.
I really think it is a better solution than individual bookings. To their credit, I think referees have allowed the game to flow more this season/far less soft free kicks (especially at the top level) and the game is a much better spectacle for it. Reducing time wasting/faking injury/game management would be a great next aim.
I thought Stuart Attwell did a very good job in the CC final in terms of letting it flow. As for the VAR...
I get what you mean but "Letting it flow" is one of those footy phrases to keep an eye on. It does sometimes just mean not taking action. I don't remember the ref being awful in that game but when the ref in the Euros final let the game flow he wasn't far off legalising assault.
Carabao Cup Final? (I got bewildered - something that afflicts the aged - after @Quarterman had referred to over rates in cricket and I’d forgotten that one of our national cup finals takes place in winter!). Shows how much interest I take in tinpot cup competitions in which my club appears to have little interest. Priorities elsewhere, I suppose.
Yep! As good a 0-0 as you're going to see, and an epic (if boring, such is how ridiculously good players are at pens now) shootout with a hilarious ending.
@micra We were interested enough to win through two rounds and secure a plum away tie with Man City, an experience which several thousand Wycombe fans thoroughly enjoyed. Gareth would be disappointed in your lack of interest and support for what the lads achieved in the Carabao Cup this season.
Just saw the fireworks...look brilliant from the FA and Family Stand, so a great success for the target audience. Just a few flame throwers and a lot of smoke for the Beechdean though the warmth was welcomed.
Having just watched the rerun of Cambridge game I noticed on a number of occasions Taf & Stewart standing in the penalty area as if waiting for a short goal kick to be taken, only for Stockdale to wave them away and kick long.
This has become the more sophisticated way to delay the restart and many teams have used it successfully against us. So far refs don't seemed to have noticed it's just as blatant game management - but I wonder if GA & Dobbo have spotted the opportunity.