@carrickblue - thanks. I did wonder if you knew, as well as wanting to raise a smile.
It will be interesting to see how much information is shared about the progress the administrators have or haven't made and how much they are charging for this progress.
Previous reports were around £1m per month in administrator fees, whether that was guestimate or hard data I cannot say as I can no longer find the report that I saw. I don't expect that the 6month date being passed will bring any new information into the public domain, most likely a combination of NDAs, confidentiality requirements being invoked and Mel Morris' status as majority creditor will serve to allow any details to be kept private. Can't see HMRC going public with any information that they receive, can't see Middlesborough doing so either if an understanding has already been reached with them and even if Wycombe were to get hold of the info (doubtful if a claim has yet to be lodged), Rob Couhig is as discreet about his side of the business as Gareth Ainsworth is with squad fitness. In short, I reckon that nobody should be holding their breath.
@Ed_ I doubt that Quantuma or any of the major creditors would “leak” information. Wondering though if smaller local businesses owed a few grand each might let things slip if they hear that they might get 15p in the pound while Quantuma pocket several million
@carrickblue It’s an interesting angle, I can see a circumstance where the settlement offered might be less valuable than a dossier absentmindedly left on an adjacent seat as the recipient hurridlly rushes off the train before it pulls away from the passenger’s stop.
Quantuma really are delaying the inevitable. Another loss again yesterday. There's a reason no reputable administrators wanted the gig. Quantuma don't have a clue what they're doing and they're making a lot of money from the ongoing fiasco... EFL should've turned the screw a lot sooner.
Sort of, to a point, but only as a members club with agreed rules. What is often "the EFLs fault" is in effect the club's fault collectively. Either by being selfish or not challenging their administrators.
I believe that the only deadline that the Mel Morris appointed 'Adminstrators' are working to is the end of the season. I believe they can't start next season in Administration. Whether WR Derby County have a buyer depends upon which division they are playing in next season. Hanging on worked for them last season and the same trick is being tried again.
As far as I know, they can start next season in admin as they didn't start this season in admin - but you can't start two consecutive seasons in admin. So, in theory, this could go on for the best part of another 18 months?
Those are EFL rules, but company law dictates that you cannot stay in administration indefinitely. I believe the limit is 12 months, with the administrators having recourse to another 6 months upon successful application to the courts.
@Ed_ said:
Those are EFL rules, but company law dictates that you cannot stay in administration indefinitely. I believe the limit is 12 months, with the administrators having recourse to another 6 months upon successful application to the courts.
If they don’t come out of administration by the new season don’t they get a 15 point deduction? Obviously that depends on them accepting the deduction or even accepting relegation. They might chose not to play the last game of the season but promise to do it later to avoid going down all together.
@Ed_ said:
Those are EFL rules, but company law dictates that you cannot stay in administration indefinitely. I believe the limit is 12 months, with the administrators having recourse to another 6 months upon successful application to the courts.
ps - having exposed how embarrassingly credulous the EFL were in January, I feel that more concrete proof that they are able to fund the coming season will be asked of them at the end of this current campaign. I would be surprised if as much time as Bury were given will be on offer to them as the other members will want to avoid a 23 team division. In such a scenario, the question of who gets moved up to League One is the next bun-fight to look forward to - would be be the team just relegated through finishing 20th or would it be the losing finalist from the play-off, or would the team finishing 4th in League Two (if not a finalist) have a shout? Then the same bun-fight with the team dropping out of the league vs the next best PNLer, repeat until tier 7 ....
pps - if all this hasn't been sorted out by then, could be an interesting EFL AGM. Couldn't find a firm date so not sure if it has been announced yet but it must be sometime in May. WanderersTV should stream it, I'd pay handsomely to be a fly on that particular wall.
I’ve always thought that the reason the EFL didn’t relegate Derby last season is because they thought they’d go straight down again into L2. So it would be ironic if they started next season in L1 on -15.
@Ed_ said:
Those are EFL rules, but company law dictates that you cannot stay in administration indefinitely. I believe the limit is 12 months, with the administrators having recourse to another 6 months upon successful application to the courts.
If they don’t come out of administration by the new season don’t they get a 15 point deduction? Obviously that depends on them accepting the deduction or even accepting relegation. They might chose not to play the last game of the season but promise to do it later to avoid going down all together.
Or not play the last few games and use PPG to save them getting relegated!
I loved this:
The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
Comments
@carrickblue - thanks. I did wonder if you knew, as well as wanting to raise a smile.
It will be interesting to see how much information is shared about the progress the administrators have or haven't made and how much they are charging for this progress.
Previous reports were around £1m per month in administrator fees, whether that was guestimate or hard data I cannot say as I can no longer find the report that I saw. I don't expect that the 6month date being passed will bring any new information into the public domain, most likely a combination of NDAs, confidentiality requirements being invoked and Mel Morris' status as majority creditor will serve to allow any details to be kept private. Can't see HMRC going public with any information that they receive, can't see Middlesborough doing so either if an understanding has already been reached with them and even if Wycombe were to get hold of the info (doubtful if a claim has yet to be lodged), Rob Couhig is as discreet about his side of the business as Gareth Ainsworth is with squad fitness. In short, I reckon that nobody should be holding their breath.
@Ed_ I doubt that Quantuma or any of the major creditors would “leak” information. Wondering though if smaller local businesses owed a few grand each might let things slip if they hear that they might get 15p in the pound while Quantuma pocket several million
@carrickblue It’s an interesting angle, I can see a circumstance where the settlement offered might be less valuable than a dossier absentmindedly left on an adjacent seat as the recipient hurridlly rushes off the train before it pulls away from the passenger’s stop.
Sounds like it's all about to kick off...
And this…
Quantuma really are delaying the inevitable. Another loss again yesterday. There's a reason no reputable administrators wanted the gig. Quantuma don't have a clue what they're doing and they're making a lot of money from the ongoing fiasco... EFL should've turned the screw a lot sooner.
So much incompetence in these regulatory bodies.
Is the EFL a regulatory body? discuss.
It isn’t
Sort of, to a point, but only as a members club with agreed rules. What is often "the EFLs fault" is in effect the club's fault collectively. Either by being selfish or not challenging their administrators.
Lech Poznam should waive the transfer monies owed because blah blah football family blah blah.
Any deadlines coming up for everyone to ignore?
What's the f'ing point? The administrator has said imminent for weeks now. So I assume they use geological time scales rather than GMT
I believe the next ice age will be here before a sale goes through!
That would place a whole new meaning on the term 'frozen assets'!
I believe that the only deadline that the Mel Morris appointed 'Adminstrators' are working to is the end of the season. I believe they can't start next season in Administration. Whether WR Derby County have a buyer depends upon which division they are playing in next season. Hanging on worked for them last season and the same trick is being tried again.
As far as I know, they can start next season in admin as they didn't start this season in admin - but you can't start two consecutive seasons in admin. So, in theory, this could go on for the best part of another 18 months?
Those are EFL rules, but company law dictates that you cannot stay in administration indefinitely. I believe the limit is 12 months, with the administrators having recourse to another 6 months upon successful application to the courts.
If they don’t come out of administration by the new season don’t they get a 15 point deduction? Obviously that depends on them accepting the deduction or even accepting relegation. They might chose not to play the last game of the season but promise to do it later to avoid going down all together.
I'm sure they'll find a way around that
ps - having exposed how embarrassingly credulous the EFL were in January, I feel that more concrete proof that they are able to fund the coming season will be asked of them at the end of this current campaign. I would be surprised if as much time as Bury were given will be on offer to them as the other members will want to avoid a 23 team division. In such a scenario, the question of who gets moved up to League One is the next bun-fight to look forward to - would be be the team just relegated through finishing 20th or would it be the losing finalist from the play-off, or would the team finishing 4th in League Two (if not a finalist) have a shout? Then the same bun-fight with the team dropping out of the league vs the next best PNLer, repeat until tier 7 ....
pps - if all this hasn't been sorted out by then, could be an interesting EFL AGM. Couldn't find a firm date so not sure if it has been announced yet but it must be sometime in May. WanderersTV should stream it, I'd pay handsomely to be a fly on that particular wall.
I’ve always thought that the reason the EFL didn’t relegate Derby last season is because they thought they’d go straight down again into L2. So it would be ironic if they started next season in L1 on -15.
Or not play the last few games and use PPG to save them getting relegated!
Forest Forum has 'Ze List' as an ongoing phenomenon, which details everyone to blame for Derby's predicament (apart from themselves, of course).
https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page944
This thread is worth reading at length for a laugh.
I loved this:
The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
My favourite excuse
Disappointed we only make 5 and 6 in the charts.
Yes but we're in the Playoffs for full blame.
Why is Margaret Thatcher not in that list? You can blame everything that is wrong now on something she did.