I just said this is another thread, but GA was never the tactician, and that has clearly gone for job selection too. Best realistic case scenario, Shrewsbury give him a L2 season to rebuild, whereas if had gone to a L2 club, he would be a year ahead in the process.
You can only take what you are offered, but there are L2 clubs who would have bitten your hand off for GA when the job comes up.
He's got a couple more weeks to show organisation and fight , then a month to work wonders with his contacts and scouting network, and then another long slog of 4-5 months to build something. Arguably they don't need to stay up for him to be able to stay but he needs to show some progress. It's not his fault they are crap now but that only lasts so long before everyone wants a change.
Picking them up rubbish in December buys him some time, but if it's March/April and they're still not looking any better the pressure will ramp up. Meaning a less than sharp start next season could quickly see him under threat a couple of months in.
Now we're out the way, hopefully they pick up immediately.
Ironically the negotiation of the new ownership could sink Shrewsbury into a transfer embargo for a big proportion of January. It’s a total mess. Taking that QPR job is ageing horribly for GA & Dobbo.
He has never gone to a bottom club with a terrible squad mid-season who are already getting cut adrift and kept them up. To be clear, I think the most brilliant managers in the division would still not keep Shrewsbury up, because even the best chef is not going to be able to make a three course dinner out of spam and tofu.
He has lost three games since by an aggregate of 3-10.
GA is talented, but he is not superhuman. The kind of great escape we are talking about - 10 points adrift with the worst squad in the league - might happen once every 100 times, if at all.
The thing is it's not all about him, I agree they are lucky to have him but they also have a very poor squad in a position that is perilous, I have no doubt he'd work wonders if he gets five year or a decade there but there are few patient fans and owners these days.
The point is if they can beat Birmingham they can stay up. They've also got a transfer window coming up during which Gaz can get in some players of his own. And they have the most exceptional motivator I've ever known in all my years watching football.
If you don't think he's capable of keeping Shrewsbury up then you underestimate quite how special he is
Put perfectly. It's not a slight on GA himself to say he is signed up to Mission: Impossible as far as this season. If they let him rebuild in L2 they will have a club to be proud of.
Not sure why you are being snarky about it, but I'll put it a different way: Is it disrespectful to Ruben Amorim to say Manchester United are unlikely to make it into the Champions League this season? They are in 13th with an awful squad, but he is clearly a good manager. Should everyone expect them to sail past the current top four because he has history as a good manager, or will it perhaps take time to ship out the deadwood, rebuild the foundations, and get them to play his way?
He did at least acknowledge yesterday that he would need to change his approach. And I think he's going to have to regardless of who he's able to bring in - his default brand of football is obsolete, no matter how strong his motivational qualities etc. are.
It's not meant to be snarky, but he's just an example of a manager who gave up on trying to stay up with half a season to go.
Gareth Ainsworth has over half a season plus a transfer window. It's almost insulting to him, given what we know he is capable of, to suggest it's a foregone conclusion. He would never have taken the job if that were truly the case
He firmly believes they will stay up and he will make the players believe they can as well. I'm amazed, as a Wycombe fan that's seen all we have, that I'm in a minority to be honest
If he is so instantly special, why did QPR start so abysmally after he had a full summer with them? It's almost like different clubs present different challenges!
There are so many examples of managers who worked wonders with one club struggling to do the same thing at others. Football is a very unforgiving sport. To see 10 years of building a club as qualification for instantly turning around a terrible squad is much more of a headscratcher to me.
I'd love if it he kept them up. I just think he does not have the actual raw materials there to do it.
Probably a little unfair, we played some decent football under him at times and that will all depend on who he can bring in at Shrewsbury.
So much snobbery in football when the difference between supposed John Beck inspired gamesmanship, clever disruptors, and Dave Bradford style marginal gains isn't as far as some would have you believe, and is talked to death despite people never really seeing what goes on behind the scenes.
Touche! But I am already qualified - I am always very vocal about humility being the best of my many qualities, which is humbling in itself, when you think about it.
He did a cracking job yesterday. Obviously there's some personal taste in this statement, but I find him much more listenable than pretty much all the big name commentators. Especially Jonathan Pearce.
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Agree with a lot of this, but we had a mid of Morley, Humphreys and Leahy. Not sure any of those are hench.
I just said this is another thread, but GA was never the tactician, and that has clearly gone for job selection too. Best realistic case scenario, Shrewsbury give him a L2 season to rebuild, whereas if had gone to a L2 club, he would be a year ahead in the process.
You can only take what you are offered, but there are L2 clubs who would have bitten your hand off for GA when the job comes up.
Hmmm, perhaps you are correct but I wouldn't mind being closer to their category rather than my overweight self! 😂
He's got a couple more weeks to show organisation and fight , then a month to work wonders with his contacts and scouting network, and then another long slog of 4-5 months to build something. Arguably they don't need to stay up for him to be able to stay but he needs to show some progress. It's not his fault they are crap now but that only lasts so long before everyone wants a change.
It's this completely.
Picking them up rubbish in December buys him some time, but if it's March/April and they're still not looking any better the pressure will ramp up. Meaning a less than sharp start next season could quickly see him under threat a couple of months in.
Now we're out the way, hopefully they pick up immediately.
Ironically the negotiation of the new ownership could sink Shrewsbury into a transfer embargo for a big proportion of January. It’s a total mess. Taking that QPR job is ageing horribly for GA & Dobbo.
Goodness me, some people have got very short memories about what Gareth Ainsworth is capable of.
He's the perfect appointment for Shrewsbury and will keep them up.
Hopefully, but he didn’t seem very positive about their chances in his post-match interview.
He has never gone to a bottom club with a terrible squad mid-season who are already getting cut adrift and kept them up. To be clear, I think the most brilliant managers in the division would still not keep Shrewsbury up, because even the best chef is not going to be able to make a three course dinner out of spam and tofu.
Shrewsbury and Burton will both go down. The other two spots are up for grabs, so to speak...
He got them to beat a side that cost millions only the other week
He has lost three games since by an aggregate of 3-10.
GA is talented, but he is not superhuman. The kind of great escape we are talking about - 10 points adrift with the worst squad in the league - might happen once every 100 times, if at all.
The thing is it's not all about him, I agree they are lucky to have him but they also have a very poor squad in a position that is perilous, I have no doubt he'd work wonders if he gets five year or a decade there but there are few patient fans and owners these days.
The point is if they can beat Birmingham they can stay up. They've also got a transfer window coming up during which Gaz can get in some players of his own. And they have the most exceptional motivator I've ever known in all my years watching football.
If you don't think he's capable of keeping Shrewsbury up then you underestimate quite how special he is
Put perfectly. It's not a slight on GA himself to say he is signed up to Mission: Impossible as far as this season. If they let him rebuild in L2 they will have a club to be proud of.
You'd have loved Tony Adams
Not sure why you are being snarky about it, but I'll put it a different way: Is it disrespectful to Ruben Amorim to say Manchester United are unlikely to make it into the Champions League this season? They are in 13th with an awful squad, but he is clearly a good manager. Should everyone expect them to sail past the current top four because he has history as a good manager, or will it perhaps take time to ship out the deadwood, rebuild the foundations, and get them to play his way?
He'll take them down and rebuild next year.
He did at least acknowledge yesterday that he would need to change his approach. And I think he's going to have to regardless of who he's able to bring in - his default brand of football is obsolete, no matter how strong his motivational qualities etc. are.
It's not meant to be snarky, but he's just an example of a manager who gave up on trying to stay up with half a season to go.
Gareth Ainsworth has over half a season plus a transfer window. It's almost insulting to him, given what we know he is capable of, to suggest it's a foregone conclusion. He would never have taken the job if that were truly the case
He firmly believes they will stay up and he will make the players believe they can as well. I'm amazed, as a Wycombe fan that's seen all we have, that I'm in a minority to be honest
If he is so instantly special, why did QPR start so abysmally after he had a full summer with them? It's almost like different clubs present different challenges!
It's the "you'd have loved" bit.
There are so many examples of managers who worked wonders with one club struggling to do the same thing at others. Football is a very unforgiving sport. To see 10 years of building a club as qualification for instantly turning around a terrible squad is much more of a headscratcher to me.
I'd love if it he kept them up. I just think he does not have the actual raw materials there to do it.
Probably a little unfair, we played some decent football under him at times and that will all depend on who he can bring in at Shrewsbury.
So much snobbery in football when the difference between supposed John Beck inspired gamesmanship, clever disruptors, and Dave Bradford style marginal gains isn't as far as some would have you believe, and is talked to death despite people never really seeing what goes on behind the scenes.
Only just over half a season left so we won't have to wait too long to find out who is right
I'd be ecstatic to be wrong, put it that way!
Well someone will be qualified to apply here come the end of the season, I feel.
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Touche! But I am already qualified - I am always very vocal about humility being the best of my many qualities, which is humbling in itself, when you think about it.
He did a cracking job yesterday. Obviously there's some personal taste in this statement, but I find him much more listenable than pretty much all the big name commentators. Especially Jonathan Pearce.
Just to point out, 11 months ago you wanted him back at Wycombe....