@DevC said:
Just going back to the title of this thread for a moment.
Prem and champ clubs largely exist on TV and sponsorship money. Lg1 and Lg2 clubs that is a major part but so is gate money.
For the PL and the Champ clubs big questions now is 1) whether their contracts give any opportunity for rights holders to get out of paying 2) whether rights holders in this situation will survive to pay the bill if due.
lets assume for now the contracts are watertight.
The lower league clubs face the very real possibility of going out of business faced with possibly six months of no revenue.
The PL TV contract is worth £3,000m per year. (or £1500m for six months
In these exceptional circumstances divert just 2.5% of that to giving emergency funding to the 48 Lg1 and Lg2 clubs for six months, that would be £0.75m per club for six months - enough to keep most perhaps all the clubs in business.
Probably fantasy but these truly are unprecedented times.
Was an interesting piece on BBC3CR this afternoon on this very topic. The guest speaker, was described as an expert in Premiership funding, quoted an eye watering figure of how much the top tier have in their bank accounts. What he suggested was that the Premiere league could easily stump up enough to the bottom two tiers circa £400K per club, which would see those clubs survive the forthcoming famine. When I say easily, it literally doesn't even cover a couple of days of income. They also already do "donate" a considerable sum which equates to more than the current TV deal, (which is about 60% of lower league income), so let's be careful when slating the crumbs from the banquet table.
The expert was also not undervaluing the part the Premiere League place on the importance of L1 & L2 after all, it is where they loan out a lot of their youth to develop their players, Ofoborh, Aarons, are two names that spring immediately? Whilst not defending the hierarchy, as I feel that there needs to be a more even spread, it is not all bad either.
It may yet come to fruition that the cap in hand approach may well find an ear?
I read that Man Utd recently compensated 900 fans to the tune of £350 each to cover their trip to Austria for the Europa tie that was played behind closed doors.
That came to £315k!
So they could certainly quite easily help the smaller clubs without a thought.
@DevC said:
Honestly no idea what you are talking about there Mr Middle.
If they insist that matches are played behind closed doors, it is nothing to do with whether football is a sport or a business and very little to do with the safety of players. The decision will be made based on an assessment of whether crowds of people sitting/standing next to each other for a couple of hours is a health risk we can afford to take.
So it seems that football do care about the players.
Back to the thread title, I had a thought this morning, (I know a rare event and it was just only the one, so my brain cell didn't overload), as the season is to all intents suspended until further notice, when do I pay for my early bird season tickets? Pretty sure that the club needs this funding hence the discount factored in to the price, but how will they determine the price not knowing anything about which division we're going to be in?
A horrible dilemma for the club as no matter what they decide it's going to miff some supporters. Rather like the government, it's a damned if they do or damned if they don't scenario.
Hopefully when and if we see the end of this pandemic, people will rally around their football clubs,if players and leagues have to go semi pro, then so be it.
But until then it's up to everyone to try to keep as many of their community as safe as possible, make sure the sick,elderly,poor get the food and provisions they require.
We will have a Wycombe Wanderers in one way or another, if the scenario gets worse and those at most risk start to struggle, maybe we as supporters can use our passion for our club as a vehicle to help those most at need.
My symptoms are largely gone and I’m left with mainly fatigue and (hopefully temporary) loss of lung capacity. The family are a few days behind, but thankfully also over the worst.
I’ll try and describe what happened in the event it might help others although I understand it can be different for different people. I won’t include the timings or details of the medical interventions for brevity and because there is more like a book’s worth of material in there, but I can say very few precautions were taken until I was eventually admitted.
Day 1 I woke in the night with a stinker of a headache and feeling hot then cold. I had a really light cough and I mean really light, like a clear your throat type of thing.
Days 2 and 3 I just felt tired and lethargic with the headache coming and going. Honestly, nothing I’d usually pay too much attention to.
Day 4 evening I was sat reading at work and all of a sudden It felt like someone gripped my lungs. It was really weird like it went from nothing to this gripping feeling in seconds. Over the next few hours it got tighter and tighter until I had to concentrate on breathing exercises to keep things moving. My appetite just disappeared completely.
Day 5 morning I woke up around 3 am fighting for breath. This is when I first called 111 iirc. Over the day a burning sensation came on which felt like I’d just inhaled some chemicals or something really hot. My chest got tighter, blood pressure higher and my pulse rapidly fluctuated from slow to palpitations. I started getting a rattle when I took a breath although this only seemed to last a few hours.
Day 6 I felt like I needed a medical intervention as I felt like I couldn’t keep the effort up to breathe.
Day 7 and 8 kind of stayed the same. In fact sometimes my lungs felt a fair bit better feeling but whenever I moved up and down the stairs or talked or tried to make some food I’d become breathless. Not in an asthma way, just this tightness and burning. It then got worse as I lay in bed trying to sleep.
Day 9 I woke at 2am in some distress and this is when I was visited by a man in a spacesuit who took me into a specialist unit. I actually felt a lot better over the course of the day.
Days 10 and 11 the burning subsided to nothing just leaving fatigue and general aches.
Today is day 12 and I’ve been up and about cleaning the house and feeling pretty good, but am left feeling I can’t quite inhale as much as I did before it began. Hopefully it’ll restore in time for the season restart to allow a full voice ‘Chairboys Barmy Army’
For background I’m in my mid 40s but have two of the significant risk factors although I eat a good diet and (mostly) look after myself. My wife has one of the risk factors but my kids are otherwise pretty darn fit.
Their symptoms were the same kid of things, but thankfully they didn’t get the intense burning.
Given the timing of our symptoms I seems i got it first then passed it on to my wife and children in the next day or two. Best guess is I was symptom free for 5 days after contracting as I didn’t venture out at all in the preceding days.
The thing is I don’t know whether we are now resistant and free to go about things again, whether there is more than one strain or whether you can get reinfected. I guess we’ll find out soon!
Thanks for this @Lloyd2084 - I guess the majority of us will need to go through this before we can really contemplate a return to normality i.e. football
Glad to hear you’re getting over the worst @Lloyd2084 and thanks for the summary of how it’s been for you. It may indeed be helpful for a lot of us. Good luck
Not asthmatic no, so lung issues are new to me. My wife has severe asthma so she was a big concern to me, but it never manifested as that kind of wheeze in her.
I was a smoker, but guess I gave up the fags about 7 or 8 years ago.
For treatment we focused on keeping up our vitamin C and zinc levels through regular orange juice and supplements and also sipped Lucazade Sport through the day as I saw some US treatments involved pumping people full of Gatorade. Who knows if they helped but it seemed sensible.
What I hadn’t really considered beforehand was how difficult it would be to cook and clean up in the normal way when we were all ill. It would have been useful to have made a few meals and frozen them in advance. It was a real effort to eat actually, our appetites just fell away, but it intuitively felt important to keep nourished.
@Lloyd2084 well extremely pleased that you appear to be over the worst & grateful for the biography of events as it could help many of us and our families. Wishing you a speedy upsurge and hopefully we can all meet up in the chairboys village soon.?
Thank you for that @Lloyd2084, I'm very pleased to hear that you're all on the mend. We're away in St Lucia at present and returning on Friday. I'm 68 and have a chronic kidney condition and controlled but very high BP. I've never smoked. I intend to treat myself as in the 70+ category when back in Hughenden Valley and isolated at home. My wife is 67 and not otherwise in any extra risk category, however she's not going to be able to be out and about because of me I guess.? With our Government behaving like they were playing poker with our lives, we have to take our own health into our own hands. COYB. (Well, eventually I hope)!
Thanks for your contributions on the gasroom recently @Lloyd2084 detailing what must have been a terrifying couple of weeks, I'm sure it's made a fair few people aware of just how serious the virus can be. Glad to hear your on the mend, hopefully you'll make a full recovery soon.
Indeed @Lloyd2084, there is so much in the media on Covid-19 but yours is the only 1st hand account I've seen of what it's actually like to have been infected. (I'm sure there must be something on Facebook, but I don't use the platform)
Thanks and good luck.
@Twizz , I am sure you realise this but worth saying nonetheless. This virus will affect us in different ways. If you get ill, your symptoms may be different to @Lloyd2084 . Just becuase your symptoms are much milder than his say does not mean your illness is not the same virus and that you are not therefore infectious to others..
Great news that @Lloyd2084 and his family seem to be over the worst. I hope all gasroomers have the same outcome when it is their turn.
@DevC said:
I hope all gasroomers have the same outcome when it is their turn.
You have quite the way with words. There are undoubtedly some gasroomers for whom avoiding this disease is a matter of life or death. There is a chance if we’re all sensible in the coming months they will avoid catching it. Your wording will only flame anxieties and potentially increase the dread those people are already feeling.
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I've had the thread engraved on a pendant that I shall wear next to my heart forever.
A touching moment. They can never take this away from us.
I read that Man Utd recently compensated 900 fans to the tune of £350 each to cover their trip to Austria for the Europa tie that was played behind closed doors.
That came to £315k!
So they could certainly quite easily help the smaller clubs without a thought.
So it seems that football do care about the players.
Televised sport for the next few weeks....
Back to the thread title, I had a thought this morning, (I know a rare event and it was just only the one, so my brain cell didn't overload), as the season is to all intents suspended until further notice, when do I pay for my early bird season tickets? Pretty sure that the club needs this funding hence the discount factored in to the price, but how will they determine the price not knowing anything about which division we're going to be in?
A horrible dilemma for the club as no matter what they decide it's going to miff some supporters. Rather like the government, it's a damned if they do or damned if they don't scenario.
Hopefully when and if we see the end of this pandemic, people will rally around their football clubs,if players and leagues have to go semi pro, then so be it.
But until then it's up to everyone to try to keep as many of their community as safe as possible, make sure the sick,elderly,poor get the food and provisions they require.
We will have a Wycombe Wanderers in one way or another, if the scenario gets worse and those at most risk start to struggle, maybe we as supporters can use our passion for our club as a vehicle to help those most at need.
Brilliant post from Chas
Here here
Well said Chas - even if the government are as good as abandoning the most vulnerable, we still have an obligation to our fellow human beings.
Well said chas
POTY Chas
Great post @ChasHarps.
How are things with you and your family @Lloyd2084?
Hey thanks for asking.
My symptoms are largely gone and I’m left with mainly fatigue and (hopefully temporary) loss of lung capacity. The family are a few days behind, but thankfully also over the worst.
I’ll try and describe what happened in the event it might help others although I understand it can be different for different people. I won’t include the timings or details of the medical interventions for brevity and because there is more like a book’s worth of material in there, but I can say very few precautions were taken until I was eventually admitted.
Day 1 I woke in the night with a stinker of a headache and feeling hot then cold. I had a really light cough and I mean really light, like a clear your throat type of thing.
Days 2 and 3 I just felt tired and lethargic with the headache coming and going. Honestly, nothing I’d usually pay too much attention to.
Day 4 evening I was sat reading at work and all of a sudden It felt like someone gripped my lungs. It was really weird like it went from nothing to this gripping feeling in seconds. Over the next few hours it got tighter and tighter until I had to concentrate on breathing exercises to keep things moving. My appetite just disappeared completely.
Day 5 morning I woke up around 3 am fighting for breath. This is when I first called 111 iirc. Over the day a burning sensation came on which felt like I’d just inhaled some chemicals or something really hot. My chest got tighter, blood pressure higher and my pulse rapidly fluctuated from slow to palpitations. I started getting a rattle when I took a breath although this only seemed to last a few hours.
Day 6 I felt like I needed a medical intervention as I felt like I couldn’t keep the effort up to breathe.
Day 7 and 8 kind of stayed the same. In fact sometimes my lungs felt a fair bit better feeling but whenever I moved up and down the stairs or talked or tried to make some food I’d become breathless. Not in an asthma way, just this tightness and burning. It then got worse as I lay in bed trying to sleep.
Day 9 I woke at 2am in some distress and this is when I was visited by a man in a spacesuit who took me into a specialist unit. I actually felt a lot better over the course of the day.
Days 10 and 11 the burning subsided to nothing just leaving fatigue and general aches.
Today is day 12 and I’ve been up and about cleaning the house and feeling pretty good, but am left feeling I can’t quite inhale as much as I did before it began. Hopefully it’ll restore in time for the season restart to allow a full voice ‘Chairboys Barmy Army’
For background I’m in my mid 40s but have two of the significant risk factors although I eat a good diet and (mostly) look after myself. My wife has one of the risk factors but my kids are otherwise pretty darn fit.
Their symptoms were the same kid of things, but thankfully they didn’t get the intense burning.
Given the timing of our symptoms I seems i got it first then passed it on to my wife and children in the next day or two. Best guess is I was symptom free for 5 days after contracting as I didn’t venture out at all in the preceding days.
The thing is I don’t know whether we are now resistant and free to go about things again, whether there is more than one strain or whether you can get reinfected. I guess we’ll find out soon!
Thanks for this @Lloyd2084 - I guess the majority of us will need to go through this before we can really contemplate a return to normality i.e. football
Sounds terrible @Lloyd2084...... are you asthmatic?
Glad to hear you’re getting over the worst @Lloyd2084 and thanks for the summary of how it’s been for you. It may indeed be helpful for a lot of us. Good luck
Not asthmatic no, so lung issues are new to me. My wife has severe asthma so she was a big concern to me, but it never manifested as that kind of wheeze in her.
I was a smoker, but guess I gave up the fags about 7 or 8 years ago.
For treatment we focused on keeping up our vitamin C and zinc levels through regular orange juice and supplements and also sipped Lucazade Sport through the day as I saw some US treatments involved pumping people full of Gatorade. Who knows if they helped but it seemed sensible.
What I hadn’t really considered beforehand was how difficult it would be to cook and clean up in the normal way when we were all ill. It would have been useful to have made a few meals and frozen them in advance. It was a real effort to eat actually, our appetites just fell away, but it intuitively felt important to keep nourished.
@Lloyd2084 well extremely pleased that you appear to be over the worst & grateful for the biography of events as it could help many of us and our families. Wishing you a speedy upsurge and hopefully we can all meet up in the chairboys village soon.?
Thank you for that @Lloyd2084, I'm very pleased to hear that you're all on the mend. We're away in St Lucia at present and returning on Friday. I'm 68 and have a chronic kidney condition and controlled but very high BP. I've never smoked. I intend to treat myself as in the 70+ category when back in Hughenden Valley and isolated at home. My wife is 67 and not otherwise in any extra risk category, however she's not going to be able to be out and about because of me I guess.? With our Government behaving like they were playing poker with our lives, we have to take our own health into our own hands. COYB. (Well, eventually I hope)!
So glad to hear you're on the mend @Lloyd2084
Thanks for your contributions on the gasroom recently @Lloyd2084 detailing what must have been a terrifying couple of weeks, I'm sure it's made a fair few people aware of just how serious the virus can be. Glad to hear your on the mend, hopefully you'll make a full recovery soon.
That was really important for me to read @Lloyd2084 , thanks and hope you are all immune now.
Indeed @Lloyd2084, there is so much in the media on Covid-19 but yours is the only 1st hand account I've seen of what it's actually like to have been infected. (I'm sure there must be something on Facebook, but I don't use the platform)
Thanks and good luck.
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@Twizz , I am sure you realise this but worth saying nonetheless. This virus will affect us in different ways. If you get ill, your symptoms may be different to @Lloyd2084 . Just becuase your symptoms are much milder than his say does not mean your illness is not the same virus and that you are not therefore infectious to others..
Great news that @Lloyd2084 and his family seem to be over the worst. I hope all gasroomers have the same outcome when it is their turn.
I think all of us realise that Dr Dev!
You have quite the way with words. There are undoubtedly some gasroomers for whom avoiding this disease is a matter of life or death. There is a chance if we’re all sensible in the coming months they will avoid catching it. Your wording will only flame anxieties and potentially increase the dread those people are already feeling.
Thanks @Lloyd2084 glad you're over the worst of it