I am sure the new PM will stress to Nicola that the short term political gain within her party will soon fade to expose the economic and social stupidity for her country of whipping people up to vote for breaking ties with their closest trading partner just because they feel stupid laws being made in a distant parliament do not benefit them.
I was being facetious of course. Hence the ‘mained’. I am very much with you on this one @MorrisItal_ (apart from the criticism of my using Starmer’s first name !!)
No, I tried to paste a previous post relevant to @MorrisItal_ ’s strange comments but I realise now that the only thing I can ever copy and paste is the completed Wordle whatsit. It was obviously still stored somewhere in the clouds and at that time of night I couldn’t be arsed to delete it.
i’d had one of the happiest days of my life yesterday, driving 55 miles around Amersham, Aylesbury and Thame area (with a lovely Thai lunch in Thaime (!)) in preparation for a forthcoming trip to the South Coast - the furthest I’ll have driven for a couple of years. When we got home mrs micra said (unexpectedly) “you did really well”. The day was a great boost to my mental health.
Well done @micra, regaining confidence in your abilities is indeed a massive boost. Confidence seems to ooze away with the advancing years at an increasing rate. I've had to take stock of myself over a couple of things recently that have shaken me somewhat and "getting straight back on the horse" is becoming increasingly difficult and I'm not quite yet 71! I feel I succeeded though.
To be fair, the only truly strange comment was the suggestion in your final paragraph that I should have sought permission to use the Labour leader’s ‘forename’. Didn’t make much sense to me!
Have to say that I was sad to receive a rebuke (for what was intended as a tongue-in-cheek jest) from someone with whom I’ve always felt a reasonable affinity.
Please don’t take any of my comment as a rebuke @micra any response I give to your good self or the good @drcongo , @Shev to name a few comes from a position of the utmost respect and like and is usually an attempt at humour.
There are posters that get my goat and they know who they are, I think I recently told one to stick Mk Dons up their jacksey which was uncalled for and practically impossible but I was in the Kings Head in Buckingham and had switched to Guinness for the first time in god knows how many years and it had made me antsy.
One election night chat log showed that upon seeing exit polls showing Labour had overturned the Tory majority, one senior official said the result was the “opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years”, describing themselves and their allies as “silent and grey-faced” and in need of counselling.
Every one of those mendacious shits is to blame for the fact that we're stuck with the shambolic tories now. And now they call Starmer "electable", simply because most of his own party isn't working against him. The fact that he can barely win a by-election with full support of the party staffers and the right wing press, against the worst government in history suggests otherwise.
“Disgracefully, while tens of thousands of Labour members were pounding the streets to kick the Tories out in favour of a socialist Labour government, these right-wing factional operators were wreaking havoc on the Party from within."
After all the recent (very tardy) criticism of Britain Trump (and his failure to take defeat gracefully or accept any responsibility for his fall) his party will soon forget and unite behind whichever hideous candidate takes over. The Labour Party rarely does.
Horrifying isn’t it. So weird that people keep calling Starmer electable when he’s purged half the party’s support, pissed off the unions and killed every attempt at localised activism and organisation - the very thing that mobilised so many people behind Corbyn
Corbyn's leadership was a disaster for the Blairite wing of the Labour Party, as it offered real socialist policies and garnered broad popular support, whilst probably alienating the establishment that the post Blairite mob had all been sucking up to.
Keir has put Labour in a position to fail to form a government in the next 20 years due to purging the very people that go out and drum up support and pushing away the organisations that fund it. He has also almost bankrupted the party by settling out of court law suits against the advice of the parties lawyers who viewed them as being very winnable; it might be viewed that he was paying off/rewarding those very staffers who have eviscerated the party.
Much as I liked Corbyn (mainly for being a decent human being and true to himself and his beliefs) I do find it slightly bizarre that people honestly think that in the early 21st century he would have gathered enough support to have become Prime Minister.
the majority of the voting public proved a few years ago that they were more than happy to cut their nose off to spit their face so to imagine that they would ignore the warnings fed to them daily by the press, Facebook, etc and vote for policies that would actually benefit them as opposed to the people who own/edit their papers and manipulate their social media is, I think, a tad naive.
regrettably, under the current system for anyone who actually cares about anyone other than themselves the starting point should always be “how can we not have a Conservative government?*”
unfortunately for most of my voting life that has meant having a conservative government, which whilst far far from ideal has been slightly better than the alternative.
the 2017 election was particularly interesting however. Sadly I think it was probably more due to the establishment taking their eye off the ball and being somewhat over-confident rather than any sustainable groundswell of support in socialist leaning policies.
*thinking about it the Johnson ‘government’ has actually probably been the least conservative government we’ve had since Callaghan. But if you do let the lunatics take over the asylum…
Not in a month of Sundays would I ever be exposed to the article from the Tribune. If I spoke with its author, our politics would be completely at odds but the erudition of the writing was admirable and the arguments well made. It avoided the clichéd tropes I recall from student politics. By reading the Gasroom, I am forever being educated (and entertained).
You only have to look at the collapse of the Red Wall, to see that Corbyn alienated traditional and long standing Labour voters. Corbyn created a cult like craze amongst momentum members and pure fantasist. He then led us to the worst result for the Labour Party in many many years.
Much as I liked Corbyn (mainly for being a decent human being and true to himself and his beliefs) I do find it slightly bizarre that people honestly think that in the early 21st century he would have gathered enough support to have become Prime Minister.
Quick fact check, Corbyn was ~2200 votes in marginal seats away from being PM in that election, all of which were seats that the LHQ had diverted campaign funds away from. Without that Starmer directed internal sabotage, he would have been PM. We wouldn't have had a government partying while hundreds of thousands died with nobody at their funerals, we wouldn't have doctors working two jobs to survive, we wouldn't have pissed £40b of public money away to a bunch of tory donors for PPE that never showed up, we wouldn't have kickstarted the privatisation of the NHS and so on.
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Just saw the date for the next lot of train strikes...'30th of July? I mused...why does that ring a bell?'
What do you think the new PM will say to Scotland when Nicola comes for tea?
I am sure the new PM will stress to Nicola that the short term political gain within her party will soon fade to expose the economic and social stupidity for her country of whipping people up to vote for breaking ties with their closest trading partner just because they feel stupid laws being made in a distant parliament do not benefit them.
Someone told me today Steve Baker is a trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, had to look them up
https://www.thegwpf.org/publications/uk-weather-has-become-if-anything-less-extreme-annual-review-shows/
I was being facetious. Hence the ‘mained’. I’m very much with @ChasHarps on this one.
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I was being facetious of course. Hence the ‘mained’. I am very much with you on this one @MorrisItal_ (apart from the criticism of my using Starmer’s first name !!)
Not sure how the Wordle got in. Thought I was pasting something else.
Pasting? Must have been one of your infamous last posts! 😉
No, I tried to paste a previous post relevant to @MorrisItal_ ’s strange comments but I realise now that the only thing I can ever copy and paste is the completed Wordle whatsit. It was obviously still stored somewhere in the clouds and at that time of night I couldn’t be arsed to delete it.
i’d had one of the happiest days of my life yesterday, driving 55 miles around Amersham, Aylesbury and Thame area (with a lovely Thai lunch in Thaime (!)) in preparation for a forthcoming trip to the South Coast - the furthest I’ll have driven for a couple of years. When we got home mrs micra said (unexpectedly) “you did really well”. The day was a great boost to my mental health.
Good stuff @micra (and top punning!)
I thought I heard lots of sirens and saw lots of cars in ditches on both sides of the road.
'A trail of destruction...' I think the coppers called it!😀
Good to hear @micra 👍️
Strange comments indeed ! I’ll have you know they make perfect sense to me.
I know a good doctor…
Well done @micra, regaining confidence in your abilities is indeed a massive boost. Confidence seems to ooze away with the advancing years at an increasing rate. I've had to take stock of myself over a couple of things recently that have shaken me somewhat and "getting straight back on the horse" is becoming increasingly difficult and I'm not quite yet 71! I feel I succeeded though.
To be fair, the only truly strange comment was the suggestion in your final paragraph that I should have sought permission to use the Labour leader’s ‘forename’. Didn’t make much sense to me!
Have to say that I was sad to receive a rebuke (for what was intended as a tongue-in-cheek jest) from someone with whom I’ve always felt a reasonable affinity.
“Well said, Morris” from @dr Congo didn’t help!!
Not that Congo guy, I hope. Uuuurgh!!
Good to hear that you succeeded @ValleyWanderer. I’ll be in touch before too long to catch up on bits and pieces.
Please don’t take any of my comment as a rebuke @micra any response I give to your good self or the good @drcongo , @Shev to name a few comes from a position of the utmost respect and like and is usually an attempt at humour.
There are posters that get my goat and they know who they are, I think I recently told one to stick Mk Dons up their jacksey which was uncalled for and practically impossible but I was in the Kings Head in Buckingham and had switched to Guinness for the first time in god knows how many years and it had made me antsy.
Absolutely no surprises in the Forde report for me. Lots of surprises for anyone still supporting Kier Starmer though. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/forde-report-labour-jeremy-corbyn-2017-election-b2126500.html
One election night chat log showed that upon seeing exit polls showing Labour had overturned the Tory majority, one senior official said the result was the “opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years”, describing themselves and their allies as “silent and grey-faced” and in need of counselling.
Every one of those mendacious shits is to blame for the fact that we're stuck with the shambolic tories now. And now they call Starmer "electable", simply because most of his own party isn't working against him. The fact that he can barely win a by-election with full support of the party staffers and the right wing press, against the worst government in history suggests otherwise.
“Disgracefully, while tens of thousands of Labour members were pounding the streets to kick the Tories out in favour of a socialist Labour government, these right-wing factional operators were wreaking havoc on the Party from within."
Told me nothing I wasnt already aware of or suspected
After all the recent (very tardy) criticism of Britain Trump (and his failure to take defeat gracefully or accept any responsibility for his fall) his party will soon forget and unite behind whichever hideous candidate takes over. The Labour Party rarely does.
I found this article around Labour Party internal machinations interesting https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/07/how-the-labour-party-betrayed-its-young-members
Horrifying isn’t it. So weird that people keep calling Starmer electable when he’s purged half the party’s support, pissed off the unions and killed every attempt at localised activism and organisation - the very thing that mobilised so many people behind Corbyn
Corbyn's leadership was a disaster for the Labour Party, along with the cretins from the Momentum Party that tried to hijack the party.
Keir has put Labour in a position to potentially form a government either on its own, or as a coalition.
Let me fix that for you @ChasHarps
Corbyn's leadership was a disaster for the Blairite wing of the Labour Party, as it offered real socialist policies and garnered broad popular support, whilst probably alienating the establishment that the post Blairite mob had all been sucking up to.
Keir has put Labour in a position to fail to form a government in the next 20 years due to purging the very people that go out and drum up support and pushing away the organisations that fund it. He has also almost bankrupted the party by settling out of court law suits against the advice of the parties lawyers who viewed them as being very winnable; it might be viewed that he was paying off/rewarding those very staffers who have eviscerated the party.
Much as I liked Corbyn (mainly for being a decent human being and true to himself and his beliefs) I do find it slightly bizarre that people honestly think that in the early 21st century he would have gathered enough support to have become Prime Minister.
the majority of the voting public proved a few years ago that they were more than happy to cut their nose off to spit their face so to imagine that they would ignore the warnings fed to them daily by the press, Facebook, etc and vote for policies that would actually benefit them as opposed to the people who own/edit their papers and manipulate their social media is, I think, a tad naive.
regrettably, under the current system for anyone who actually cares about anyone other than themselves the starting point should always be “how can we not have a Conservative government?*”
unfortunately for most of my voting life that has meant having a conservative government, which whilst far far from ideal has been slightly better than the alternative.
the 2017 election was particularly interesting however. Sadly I think it was probably more due to the establishment taking their eye off the ball and being somewhat over-confident rather than any sustainable groundswell of support in socialist leaning policies.
*thinking about it the Johnson ‘government’ has actually probably been the least conservative government we’ve had since Callaghan. But if you do let the lunatics take over the asylum…
All hail the Gasroom.
Not in a month of Sundays would I ever be exposed to the article from the Tribune. If I spoke with its author, our politics would be completely at odds but the erudition of the writing was admirable and the arguments well made. It avoided the clichéd tropes I recall from student politics. By reading the Gasroom, I am forever being educated (and entertained).
Long may it continue.
You only have to look at the collapse of the Red Wall, to see that Corbyn alienated traditional and long standing Labour voters. Corbyn created a cult like craze amongst momentum members and pure fantasist. He then led us to the worst result for the Labour Party in many many years.
The Gasroom has never been a socialist message board, although there have always been socialists on it
Much as I liked Corbyn (mainly for being a decent human being and true to himself and his beliefs) I do find it slightly bizarre that people honestly think that in the early 21st century he would have gathered enough support to have become Prime Minister.
Quick fact check, Corbyn was ~2200 votes in marginal seats away from being PM in that election, all of which were seats that the LHQ had diverted campaign funds away from. Without that Starmer directed internal sabotage, he would have been PM. We wouldn't have had a government partying while hundreds of thousands died with nobody at their funerals, we wouldn't have doctors working two jobs to survive, we wouldn't have pissed £40b of public money away to a bunch of tory donors for PPE that never showed up, we wouldn't have kickstarted the privatisation of the NHS and so on.