What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
I don’t think I’m giving our tactics away when I offer these sage bit of coaching advice to our opponents:
Win the first challenge. And if you don’t you have to win the second one.
Spot on. Also, I may have missed their legions of skillful players, but I saw no-one fit to tie the boots of McLeary, Mehmeti or Hanlan (in a creative sense - our whole team is awesome).
Pundits still aren't really talking about us as promotion contenders and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our days of flying under the radar should be over.
@ReturnToSenda said:
Pundits still aren't really talking about us as promotion contenders and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our days of flying under the radar should be over.
But isn’t that one of the joys of “they’re effective at what they do, but….”?
As in, no-one is willing to rate you until it’s too late.
Who cares about being talked about, if you actually go out there and do it.
Finally I did just want to say how brilliant Sam Vokes was last night. A great goal and his all round play has really improved in recent games particularly (not that he was poor at all previously). Not surprising it’s taken some time as he’d barely played for 2 years but he’s looking stronger and fitter all the time. His flick ons are obviously great with others learning to anticipate now, but let’s keep getting the ball into his feet too, he’s a cracking player on the deck as well.
Seconded…looking at the highlights I think Vokes calls for the pass to feet, even though he is well marked in the box and turns his man to create half a yard of space and scores…absolute class.
@ReturnToSenda said:
Pundits still aren't really talking about us as promotion contenders and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our days of flying under the radar should be over.
But isn’t that one of the joys of “they’re effective at what they do, but….”?
As in, no-one is willing to rate you until it’s too late.
Who cares about being talked about, if you actually go out there and do it.
Oh, there's definitely satisfaction in that, but I also want my team to get the credit and praise they deserve.
It is weird - other rags to riches stories are celebrated, but
a fair amount of (non-tinpot) fans hate us. Probably a combination of PPG, physicality and all of the awful cheating we do (for 4th place in fair play table) against all of these Corinthian sides.
I actually hate all gamesmanship, and would prefer a sport with none of it. But naivety is about the worst ingredient to add to sour grapes.
What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
Absolutely. It’s as if moving the ball upfield quickly and scoring a goal is against the spirit of football. Reading his comments make the result even sweeter
@ReturnToSenda said:
Pundits still aren't really talking about us as promotion contenders and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our days of flying under the radar should be over.
I think that's in our favour, as is the perception that we've only got one way of playing
Found this on the Owls Talk "Team for Wycombe" thread posted by their exiled equivalent of our own @DevC and I thought others might appreciate it:
"Was at the Argyle v Wycombe match tonight. They will be a test for us on Saturday. Strong, extremely well organised side, quick on the break with power up front. They do sit back and let you come onto them, but their keeper didn’t have a shot to save as Argyle were woeful up front. There was the odd bit of time wasting from them but nothing that justified the almost hysterical behaviour from the home crowd, which I think got through to the players. Gillingham were far worse."
What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
I don’t think I’m giving our tactics away when I offer these sage bit of coaching advice to our opponents:
Win the first challenge. And if you don’t you have to win the second one.
I couldn’t agree more. This snobbish approach to playing styles is just bewildering.
Unless your Manchester City or the Barcelona of old, why risk losing possession in your own half when you can compete for the ball in opposition territory? I admire Gaz for sticking to his playing philosophy in the face of so much mean spirited criticism.
What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
I don’t think I’m giving our tactics away when I offer these sage bit of coaching advice to our opponents:
Win the first challenge. And if you don’t you have to win the second one.
I couldn’t agree more. This snobbish approach to playing styles is just bewildering.
Unless your Manchester City or the Barcelona of old, why risk losing possession in your own half when you can compete for the ball in opposition territory? I admire Gaz for sticking to his playing philosophy in the face of so much mean spirited criticism.
Bolton are the prime example. They tried 'tikka-takka' at Home Park in monsoon-like conditions and ended up conceding THAT bizarre goal. They then tried passing it out from a goal kick against us last Saturday and ended up conceding a penalty.
When we are playing at our best we effectively mix up direct football with passing on the floor. We usually look to get forward quickly and play football from the second ball in the final third of the pitch. This is effective and exciting to watch. When in a poor run, we do tend to go too direct when confidence erodes but that’s just the ups and downs of form.
Personally (and I realise I’m probably in the minority) but I find tiki taka type football so boring to watch. Spain particularly are like watching paint dry. Teams passing back and forth across the back at the half way line I find infuriating. And this shirt goal kick dad that’s come into the game is ridiculous at our level. The players are just not good enough to make it effective at our level, there is no shame in that, so why teams continue to try it is beyond me.
@Quarterman said:
When we are playing at our best we effectively mix up direct football with passing on the floor. We usually look to get forward quickly and play football from the second ball in the final third of the pitch. This is effective and exciting to watch. When in a poor run, we do tend to go too direct when confidence erodes but that’s just the ups and downs of form.
Personally (and I realise I’m probably in the minority) but I find tiki taka type football so boring to watch. Spain particularly are like watching paint dry. Teams passing back and forth across the back at the half way line I find infuriating. And this shirt goal kick dad that’s come into the game is ridiculous at our level. The players are just not good enough to make it effective at our level, there is no shame in that, so why teams continue to try it is beyond me.
Spot on...our third goal on Tuesday was a long ball followed by some lovely intricate passing and a fine finish. So pleased we didn't waste time passing it out from the back ;-)
Taken from
Sheffield Wednesday forum one of their fans at the Plymouth game confirms that the Plymouth fans are muppets.
Was at the Argyle v Wycombe match tonight. They will be a test for us on Saturday. Strong, extremely well organised side, quick on the break with power up front. They do sit back and let you come onto them, but their keeper didn’t have a shot to save as Argyle were woeful up front. There was the odd bit of time wasting from them but nothing that justified the almost hysterical behaviour from the home crowd, which I think got through to the players. Gillingham were far worse.
What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
I don’t think I’m giving our tactics away when I offer these sage bit of coaching advice to our opponents:
Win the first challenge. And if you don’t you have to win the second one.
I couldn’t agree more. This snobbish approach to playing styles is just bewildering.
Unless your Manchester City or the Barcelona of old, why risk losing possession in your own half when you can compete for the ball in opposition territory? I admire Gaz for sticking to his playing philosophy in the face of so much mean spirited criticism.
You must have got into epic rows with your fellow Scousers when Roy Hodgson was in charge
Playing out from the back is better for and ball progression - if you have a coach capable of implementing it properly and players capable of carrying it out, which too many clubs in the lower divisions don't imo. But it's a long-term transition and I like managers who stick to a philosophy whatever that may be (up to a point anyway - there are cases like Brian Barry-Murphy's Rochdale where it plainly wasn't going to work and just looked ridiculous).
You must have got into epic rows with your fellow Scousers when Roy Hodgson was in charge
There’s loads of Scousers on here now, proper ones with accents as well. Most Wycombe fans are now from the north I would say, if you include the 25 odd from Nottingham on here.
@ReturnToSenda said:
Playing out from the back is better for and ball progression - if you have a coach capable of implementing it properly and players capable of carrying it out, which too many clubs in the lower divisions don't imo. But it's a long-term transition and I like managers who stick to a philosophy whatever that may be (up to a point anyway - there are cases like Brian Barry-Murphy's Rochdale where it plainly wasn't going to work and just looked ridiculous).
I think the counter-argument would be that there is a difficult bedding down period whilst the players adapt but that long-term it will benefit them
I'm not saying that's how we should play by the way. I've always thought that you play according to the situation. Anthony Stewart is very good at that. He'll stick it in the car park if needed, but he's also more than capable of striding out and setting up an attack. He is a Rolls-Royce of a centre half at our level, he really is
Another manager who knew exactly what was coming. Effectively saying he wasn't up to the job in organising his team to stop it. As for not defending the long ball nonsense again. If a pass is pin point on someone's head and then 3 precise passes and a great little run scores a goal it's a goal of quality and planning - it's not a hit and hope sunshine. Three of their defenders were facing the wrong way when Anis's hit the net, that is quality that their defenders could not cope with. Did you see that coming Ryan? No? Thought not. Give credit where it's due, we were better.
There is now an obsession with possession stats, encouraged by Opta and their counterparts. They give an unbalanced picture of the game, for instance Plymouth had 67% of possession and lost 3-0. It’s possession in your opponent’s half that is more important plus, of course, what you actually do with it.
@glasshalffull said:
There is now an obsession with possession stats, encouraged by Opta and their counterparts. They give an unbalanced picture of the game, for instance Plymouth had 67% of possession and lost 3-0. It’s possession in your opponent’s half that is more important plus, of course, what you actually do with it.
Suggesting that Opta are to blame for an 'obsession' with possession stats is a reach. If you want to blame anyone, blame Pep and Vicente del Bosque - and Brendan Rodgers for bringing it over here (he was quite obsessed with possession at Swansea but with decent logic). But no manager worth their salt would argue that their team was better solely because they had more possession.
This short goal kick nonsense is just a massive time wasting ruse.
Football stats have become an obsession and its a sport that doesn't lend itself to as many stats as it gets given. On Tuesday night Dan Scarr must have had 10 percent possession by himself without ever doing anything to create a goal.
@Right_in_the_Middle said:
This short goal kick nonsense is just a massive time wasting ruse.
Football stats have become an obsession and its a sport that doesn't lend itself to as many stats as it gets given. On Tuesday night Dan Scarr must have had 10 percent possession by himself without ever doing anything to create a goal.
I cannot tell you how much I hate short goal kicks. These idiot players and managers watch City do it and think 'that's cool, let's do that'. YOU IDIOTS, YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT, YOU WILL NOW KICK IT AROUND IN A TERRIFYING WAY BEFORE YOUR KEEPER SLICES IT OUT FOR A THROW IN 20 METRES UP THE PITCH.
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How many times does a manager have to say, “No problem…” in one single interview before one starts to suspect the reverse? Hmm.
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-lowe-offers-no-plymouth-6251341
Nice of Quest to completely ignore our game when discussing the highlights
What I got from that is he doesn’t like how efficiently we got the ball into the danger area and scored three goals against his team.
He wouldn’t have minded had Brazil or Barca tikka takka’d there way through 746 passes on the way up the pitch, but because they were undone by an effective and directed ball towards an obvious target man who layed the 2nd ball off to someone on the same side as his, he can’t stand it.
I don’t think I’m giving our tactics away when I offer these sage bit of coaching advice to our opponents:
Win the first challenge. And if you don’t you have to win the second one.
Spot on. Also, I may have missed their legions of skillful players, but I saw no-one fit to tie the boots of McLeary, Mehmeti or Hanlan (in a creative sense - our whole team is awesome).
Pundits still aren't really talking about us as promotion contenders and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our days of flying under the radar should be over.
But isn’t that one of the joys of “they’re effective at what they do, but….”?
As in, no-one is willing to rate you until it’s too late.
Who cares about being talked about, if you actually go out there and do it.
Seconded…looking at the highlights I think Vokes calls for the pass to feet, even though he is well marked in the box and turns his man to create half a yard of space and scores…absolute class.
Oh, there's definitely satisfaction in that, but I also want my team to get the credit and praise they deserve.
It is weird - other rags to riches stories are celebrated, but
a fair amount of (non-tinpot) fans hate us. Probably a combination of PPG, physicality and all of the awful cheating we do (for 4th place in fair play table) against all of these Corinthian sides.
I actually hate all gamesmanship, and would prefer a sport with none of it. But naivety is about the worst ingredient to add to sour grapes.
Interested to see that you wouldn’t include Hanlan in the starting eleven @Commoner.
Absolutely. It’s as if moving the ball upfield quickly and scoring a goal is against the spirit of football. Reading his comments make the result even sweeter
He celebrated those 4 on Saturday, at Ole's farewell party.
I think that's in our favour, as is the perception that we've only got one way of playing
Found this on the Owls Talk "Team for Wycombe" thread posted by their exiled equivalent of our own @DevC and I thought others might appreciate it:
"Was at the Argyle v Wycombe match tonight. They will be a test for us on Saturday. Strong, extremely well organised side, quick on the break with power up front. They do sit back and let you come onto them, but their keeper didn’t have a shot to save as Argyle were woeful up front. There was the odd bit of time wasting from them but nothing that justified the almost hysterical behaviour from the home crowd, which I think got through to the players. Gillingham were far worse."
I couldn’t agree more. This snobbish approach to playing styles is just bewildering.
Unless your Manchester City or the Barcelona of old, why risk losing possession in your own half when you can compete for the ball in opposition territory? I admire Gaz for sticking to his playing philosophy in the face of so much mean spirited criticism.
Bolton are the prime example. They tried 'tikka-takka' at Home Park in monsoon-like conditions and ended up conceding THAT bizarre goal. They then tried passing it out from a goal kick against us last Saturday and ended up conceding a penalty.
When we are playing at our best we effectively mix up direct football with passing on the floor. We usually look to get forward quickly and play football from the second ball in the final third of the pitch. This is effective and exciting to watch. When in a poor run, we do tend to go too direct when confidence erodes but that’s just the ups and downs of form.
Personally (and I realise I’m probably in the minority) but I find tiki taka type football so boring to watch. Spain particularly are like watching paint dry. Teams passing back and forth across the back at the half way line I find infuriating. And this shirt goal kick dad that’s come into the game is ridiculous at our level. The players are just not good enough to make it effective at our level, there is no shame in that, so why teams continue to try it is beyond me.
Short goal kick fad even!
Spot on...our third goal on Tuesday was a long ball followed by some lovely intricate passing and a fine finish. So pleased we didn't waste time passing it out from the back ;-)
Taken from
Sheffield Wednesday forum one of their fans at the Plymouth game confirms that the Plymouth fans are muppets.
Was at the Argyle v Wycombe match tonight. They will be a test for us on Saturday. Strong, extremely well organised side, quick on the break with power up front. They do sit back and let you come onto them, but their keeper didn’t have a shot to save as Argyle were woeful up front. There was the odd bit of time wasting from them but nothing that justified the almost hysterical behaviour from the home crowd, which I think got through to the players. Gillingham were far worse.
You must have got into epic rows with your fellow Scousers when Roy Hodgson was in charge
@glasshalffull Totally agree. But if you go back to the Martin O’Neill era his philosophy was very simple…..
“When the ball’s in your half you play like (the old) Wimbledon. When it’s in your opponents half you play like Brazil”.
Very simple but very effective.
Playing out from the back is better for and ball progression - if you have a coach capable of implementing it properly and players capable of carrying it out, which too many clubs in the lower divisions don't imo. But it's a long-term transition and I like managers who stick to a philosophy whatever that may be (up to a point anyway - there are cases like Brian Barry-Murphy's Rochdale where it plainly wasn't going to work and just looked ridiculous).
There’s loads of Scousers on here now, proper ones with accents as well. Most Wycombe fans are now from the north I would say, if you include the 25 odd from Nottingham on here.
I think the counter-argument would be that there is a difficult bedding down period whilst the players adapt but that long-term it will benefit them
I'm not saying that's how we should play by the way. I've always thought that you play according to the situation. Anthony Stewart is very good at that. He'll stick it in the car park if needed, but he's also more than capable of striding out and setting up an attack. He is a Rolls-Royce of a centre half at our level, he really is
Another manager who knew exactly what was coming. Effectively saying he wasn't up to the job in organising his team to stop it. As for not defending the long ball nonsense again. If a pass is pin point on someone's head and then 3 precise passes and a great little run scores a goal it's a goal of quality and planning - it's not a hit and hope sunshine. Three of their defenders were facing the wrong way when Anis's hit the net, that is quality that their defenders could not cope with. Did you see that coming Ryan? No? Thought not. Give credit where it's due, we were better.
There is now an obsession with possession stats, encouraged by Opta and their counterparts. They give an unbalanced picture of the game, for instance Plymouth had 67% of possession and lost 3-0. It’s possession in your opponent’s half that is more important plus, of course, what you actually do with it.
Suggesting that Opta are to blame for an 'obsession' with possession stats is a reach. If you want to blame anyone, blame Pep and Vicente del Bosque - and Brendan Rodgers for bringing it over here (he was quite obsessed with possession at Swansea but with decent logic). But no manager worth their salt would argue that their team was better solely because they had more possession.
This short goal kick nonsense is just a massive time wasting ruse.
Football stats have become an obsession and its a sport that doesn't lend itself to as many stats as it gets given. On Tuesday night Dan Scarr must have had 10 percent possession by himself without ever doing anything to create a goal.
I cannot tell you how much I hate short goal kicks. These idiot players and managers watch City do it and think 'that's cool, let's do that'. YOU IDIOTS, YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT, YOU WILL NOW KICK IT AROUND IN A TERRIFYING WAY BEFORE YOUR KEEPER SLICES IT OUT FOR A THROW IN 20 METRES UP THE PITCH.