I hope they do sign Phil Jones and give him a 4 year contract, as he will probably play one or two games a season.
Even if I was a multi-billionaire owner of a Championship side, I wouldn’t go near him with a barge pole.
@StrongestTeam said:
Demanding everyone (including the EFL and creditors) get out of the way quickly so that the next mug can buy them players is delusional.
As is thinking Phil Jones is a a premium premiership defender.
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
@OxfordBlue said:
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
Remember this is a negotiated settlement, they know what they did and are firmly in the weaseling out of it stage
@OxfordBlue said:
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
Remember this is a negotiated settlement, they know what they did and are firmly in the weaseling out of it stage
And we have to remember any potential new owner will be taking on a club at a lower cost than a solvent one and will have lowered the debts owned as part of the agreement with the administrators.
“I know the club owe you £5 million, but please accept a lower payment or you will get nothing as the club will fold”.
It’s win win for new owners after past owners cheating. To my mind, that would make the new owners would be complicit I t he cheating, after the fact unless they pay off every debt in full.
@OxfordBlue said:
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
Remember this is a negotiated settlement, they know what they did and are firmly in the weaseling out of it stage
And we have to remember any potential new owner will be taking on a club at a lower cost than a solvent one and will have lowered the debts owned as part of the agreement with the administrators.
“I know the club owe you £5 million, but please accept a lower payment or you will get nothing as the club will fold”.
It’s win win for new owners after past owners cheating. To my mind, that would make the new owners would be complicit I t he cheating, after the fact unless they pay off every debt in full.
100%, plan A in these cases is always get to the Prem and take the £. Ipswichs new owners said the same based on nowt. Few owners do the right thing maybe but the right thing is paying your bills and financing whatever your rescue plan is rather than getting in on the cheap, stiffing local businesses and then taking the adoration and the £ if you do make it or blaming everyone else when you don't
Oh to be transported back in time to those lovely Conference days when we were free of the EFL.
The whole set up is corrupt and the only people paying for all the chaos is the fans.
@Blue_since_1990 said:
Oh to be transported back in time to those lovely Conference days when we were free of the EFL.
The whole set up is corrupt and the only people paying for all the chaos is the fans.
The conference is now even worse than the EFL as they have next to no rules on investment, hence a few league 1 players being tempted to drop down for a pay day
You mean it's not just a case of opening your chequebook, buying players and paying big wages to ensure promotion? Sometimes having a well-run club to support is more important than where you are on the pyramid.
@Wendoverman said:
You mean it's not just a case of opening your chequebook, buying players and paying big wages to ensure promotion? Sometimes having a well-run club to support is more important than where you are on the pyramid.
I think it is also true that the people who get the most money are not necessarily those who do the best job / make the best team mates.
@Blue_since_1990 said:
Oh to be transported back in time to those lovely Conference days when we were free of the EFL.
The whole set up is corrupt and the only people paying for all the chaos is the fans.
The conference is now even worse than the EFL as they have next to no rules on investment, hence a few league 1 players being tempted to drop down for a pay day
Yep, and if you're looking to invest in the lower leagues you're going to go there rather than L1/L2.
To be honest, if you have enormous resources and want a bit of fun...I would imagine raising a team with a grateful fanbase from the Conference would be fair more rewarding than having to put up with miserable bastards moaning about the level of investment as you lose money hand over fist while they demand Premier League players and European football!
@Wendoverman said:
To be honest, if you have enormous resources and want a bit of fun...I would imagine raising a team with a grateful fanbase from the Conference would be fair more rewarding than having to put up with miserable bastards moaning about the level of investment as you lose money hand over fist while they demand Premier League players and European football!
What happens when you get their though, wonder if the likes of Salford can sustain interest and build a presence in the lower league's as it seems unlikely that they'll be buying there way to the Prem anytime soon.
@Wendoverman said:
To be honest, if you have enormous resources and want a bit of fun...I would imagine raising a team with a grateful fanbase from the Conference would be fair more rewarding than having to put up with miserable bastards moaning about the level of investment as you lose money hand over fist while they demand Premier League players and European football!
What happens when you get their though, wonder if the likes of Salford can sustain interest and build a presence in the lower league's as it seems unlikely that they'll be buying there way to the Prem anytime soon.
As long as you can stay there, I would imagine you could grow the fanbase and it will be a few years until they are demanding Championship football?
@OxfordBlue said:
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
Remember this is a negotiated settlement, they know what they did and are firmly in the weaseling out of it stage
And we have to remember any potential new owner will be taking on a club at a lower cost than a solvent one and will have lowered the debts owned as part of the agreement with the administrators.
“I know the club owe you £5 million, but please accept a lower payment or you will get nothing as the club will fold”.
It’s win win for new owners after past owners cheating. To my mind, that would make the new owners would be complicit I t he cheating, after the fact unless they pay off every debt in full.
It’s not just the EFL who are complicit. How the fcuk do they get to the position of owing 28million to hmrc? They should have been in court years ago for that
@Wendoverman said:
To be honest, if you have enormous resources and want a bit of fun...I would imagine raising a team with a grateful fanbase from the Conference would be fair more rewarding than having to put up with miserable bastards moaning about the level of investment as you lose money hand over fist while they demand Premier League players and European football!
What happens when you get their though, wonder if the likes of Salford can sustain interest and build a presence in the lower league's as it seems unlikely that they'll be buying there way to the Prem anytime soon.
As long as you can stay there, I would imagine you could grow the fanbase and it will be a few years until they are demanding Championship football?
They'll need to remember that burgers will have to increase in price to 7 or 8 pounds and the German Sausage Shack will be banned.???
Yes, THEY made mistakes on Mrs W's already risible NHS pension and were sending nasty letters and clawing it back at very high speed. I think the maxim is...if you're going to cheat or steal...do it BIG!!!
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I think they need to drop a couple of leagues to allow for a full and proper cleansing.
Said that for a while. Someone needs to step in and save the club. Any new owner will just repeat the same old rubbish.
Jones is only on £75k per week so clearly well within Derby's wage budget!!
To be fair, Sam Vokes was apparently on over 30k a week before he came to us. I assume he still isn’t and took a hefty cut in pay. As would Jones.
Yeah, but Derby's wage bill is just whatever they decide to say it is. 75k... 75p... What's the difference?
He’s not even a Premiership player.
Good man, @micra!
Thanks!
I'd like to see two possibilities with administration punishments. Admin should still include 12 points by the way.
Either - admin should be automatic two league relegation. Club should go straight from champ to L2.
Or - if you want something to play for in that season. If you finish in the relegation zone in Champ, you drop to L2.
Finish outside autos and above relegation zone = drop to L1.
Finish in autos then you get to stay in your current division.
I'm not sure any club could get a 12 pointer and finish in autos.
I hope they do sign Phil Jones and give him a 4 year contract, as he will probably play one or two games a season.
Even if I was a multi-billionaire owner of a Championship side, I wouldn’t go near him with a barge pole.
I’ve seen a lot of comments from Derby fans crying about how it’s not fair on them (the fans) - this is a post from a few years ago.
https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/27482-qpr-ffp-fine/
Shoe is very much on the other foot now. Judging by some of the replies, it’s very much deserved.
Premium as in cost. Quality is subjective.
No fans or community deserve to lose their club, especially clubs that are 100+ years old.
But clubs and fans aren't exempt from experiencing tough few years slumming it at a standard below the club's natural level, because they overspent and broke rules.
Fans love the good times - when their teams spend big money, to buy big players and win big games and big promotions and cups.
But you have to accept the good with the bad. If you overspend, overpromise and cock it up, you have to pay a price.
The EFL, government etc should do everything to stop clubs entirely going to the wall. But Derby can't relish the good times, then say the tough times in L1 or L2 are too tough.
Remember this is a negotiated settlement, they know what they did and are firmly in the weaseling out of it stage
And we have to remember any potential new owner will be taking on a club at a lower cost than a solvent one and will have lowered the debts owned as part of the agreement with the administrators.
“I know the club owe you £5 million, but please accept a lower payment or you will get nothing as the club will fold”.
It’s win win for new owners after past owners cheating. To my mind, that would make the new owners would be complicit I t he cheating, after the fact unless they pay off every debt in full.
100%, plan A in these cases is always get to the Prem and take the £. Ipswichs new owners said the same based on nowt. Few owners do the right thing maybe but the right thing is paying your bills and financing whatever your rescue plan is rather than getting in on the cheap, stiffing local businesses and then taking the adoration and the £ if you do make it or blaming everyone else when you don't
Oh to be transported back in time to those lovely Conference days when we were free of the EFL.
The whole set up is corrupt and the only people paying for all the chaos is the fans.
The conference is now even worse than the EFL as they have next to no rules on investment, hence a few league 1 players being tempted to drop down for a pay day
You mean it's not just a case of opening your chequebook, buying players and paying big wages to ensure promotion? Sometimes having a well-run club to support is more important than where you are on the pyramid.
@Wendoverman - Careful there. The raison d'etre of any football club is for the personal aggrandisement/tax relief of its owner.
I think it is also true that the people who get the most money are not necessarily those who do the best job / make the best team mates.
Yep, and if you're looking to invest in the lower leagues you're going to go there rather than L1/L2.
To be honest, if you have enormous resources and want a bit of fun...I would imagine raising a team with a grateful fanbase from the Conference would be fair more rewarding than having to put up with miserable bastards moaning about the level of investment as you lose money hand over fist while they demand Premier League players and European football!
What happens when you get their though, wonder if the likes of Salford can sustain interest and build a presence in the lower league's as it seems unlikely that they'll be buying there way to the Prem anytime soon.
As long as you can stay there, I would imagine you could grow the fanbase and it will be a few years until they are demanding Championship football?
It’s not just the EFL who are complicit. How the fcuk do they get to the position of owing 28million to hmrc? They should have been in court years ago for that
Considering the shit I get from HMRC if I make the VAT payment a day late it's absolutely baffling.
They'll need to remember that burgers will have to increase in price to 7 or 8 pounds and the German Sausage Shack will be banned.???
Yes, THEY made mistakes on Mrs W's already risible NHS pension and were sending nasty letters and clawing it back at very high speed. I think the maxim is...if you're going to cheat or steal...do it BIG!!!
Or to paraphrase Keynes if you owe HMRC 28 thousand you have a problem. If you owe 28 million you have a holding company