I've already said that the noise coming from the valley terrace was superb. Got the whole crowd going and really helped create a brilliant atmosphere.
But keeping the ball like that was, for me at least, cringeworthy and pathetic. Luke O'Nien is a very good, and a very likeable player. But he shouldn't be condoning that.
Question: did the delay in giving the ball back wind up a) our team, b) their team, c) their supported, d) (some of) our supporters?
If a), b), c) and d) wan't worth it.
If b), c) and d) (as I suspect) probably worth it
Admittedly immature behaviour, but in the context of the opposition (and particularly the reported shenanigans outside the ground) relatively harmless.
But if it becomes a trend I'll try and find room on the high horse
@james Have to take you to task here. We currently have a youth hooligan element that is more evident for high profile games, unless you are blind or just choose to ignore it, I don't know why some brush it under the table like it doesn't exist.
I know it’s hypocritical but anything that winds that awful club up is find by me.
Couldn’t agree more. I generally don’t worry too much about other teams and supporters either before or after the game but Scum, Rovers and Poxford seem to be those teams that you would just love to see swallowed up and disappear along with their “fans” They all seem to think that they some sort of sleeping giant and shouldn’t be in the lower researches of the league...just loved seeing every goal go in yesterday.
Oh and Bletchley Town are on that list as well....
@Right_in_the_Middle said:
Not really sure that context or humour are really that important. The actions of the crowd were moronic and should have been condemned not laughed about. I understand Luke wants to keep on crowd onside and the question probably shouldn't have been asked but the club as a whole has to stop our reputation being dragged through the gutter.
It put an unnecessary blot on a great day. If the club can use CCTV to spot those with flares hopefully they'll pick up those holding the ball. Name them.
I disagree. Context and the way a statement is delivered are very important.
@eric_plant said:
I've already said that the noise coming from the valley terrace was superb. Got the whole crowd going and really helped create a brilliant atmosphere.
But keeping the ball like that was, for me at least, cringeworthy and pathetic. Luke O'Nien is a very good, and a very likeable player. But he shouldn't be condoning that.
A wonderful win against an old ‘enemy’ in the face of adversity (six senior players out injured, two FL debutants) and some people choose to pick on such a minor incident. Yes, it was stupid but in comparison to the reported behaviour of some Colchester fans (smoke bomb in the ground, trouble in the town centre) it was just that-a minor incident.
Let’s have a sense of perspective here.I have seen fans keep the ball like that dozens of times all over the country so if people are going to call for CCTV evidence to be used against them the police are going to be kept very busy week in week out.
Criticising L09 for what was clearly a harmless joke is unfair and disproportionate to say the least.
So would I be right in thinking a fair few posters think playing Col U means the standards of behaviour can be owner and justified? I was a Wycombe fan when the rivalry started and was played out with genuine hatred. I now wonder if a new generation want to bring that back as it has been much more low key in previous games. I still gate Col U from experiences years ago but can't see how the youngsters can feel the same. There are new flash points to cling to.
It was a great game yesterday with top draw performances by the players. To walk out of the ground and nearly be run over by Police horses down Hillbottom Road and see police rugby tackling drunks took me back to those old matches. Instead of understanding the context though it just seemed set up. I wonder what families thought of the walk back to the car.
I can see why others are upset by it, but given the occasion, I myself wasn't too bothered by the ball-keeping. Had we done that in a game against a non-rival, I would have been absolutely mortified, but as far as I'm concerned, Col U are fair game.
Compared to the behaviour of a section of Col U supporters outside the ground, a bit of terrace volleyball rather pales into insignificance IMHO.
I must also disagree with @James regarding a small group within the youth element. As I left the ground I inadvertently found myself picking my way through the Col U police escort and one of them was on his phone to someone, apparently trying to set something up. I got in my taxi and a bit further down the road I passed a sizeable group of our fans, clearly on the prowl and one of them barking instructions, telling them to head to the park (Roundwood Park?). Hopefully nothing actually happened, as I have severe doubts over 'our' lot's willingness to have an actual fight, but there was certainly some intent to engage in something more than just 'boisterousness'.
I'm usually a big fan of @eric_plant posts but a dreadful comment here... totally agree with @arnos_grove . He was clearly jesting and I along with everyone else in the room found his remark amusing. Very poor calling him an idiot for that.
Also agree that these post match interviews just after the whistle in the bar are a great touch. Really highlights the closer bond between players and fans at our level compared to the elite
Should we not be simply enjoying a first double win against Col U, wallowing like pigs in poo over the fantastic performance of our team yesterday and celebrating the club's achievements over the last few years. We are 4th in the league, witnessed superb debut appearances from 2 loanees whom had barely anytime to get to know their new team mates. All the other players had a good/exceptional game & here are some of you nit picking over a throwaway comment by the MOM & not ideal but hardly criminal behaviour from a few boisterous younger fans! DOL, how some of you would have coped going to football matches in the 70's & 80's doesn't bear thinking about.
Cheer up, lighten up & look forward to the next match.
@EwanHoosaami totally agree with you but for me the actions of the few behind the goal (Luke's comments are not an issue) gave spoilt what should have been a great day.
@Right_in_the_Middle said:
EwanHoosaami totally agree with you but for me the actions of the few behind the goal (Luke's comments are not an issue) gave spoilt what should have been a great day.
Your days are easily spoiled. I was "uncomfortable " with the ball retention by the terrace, but would in no way let it "spoil" a brilliant victory over the old foe. Even the current encumbered title owner of Mrs @EwanHoosaami came out for this match, (she was a season ticket holder for the O'Neil days of rivalry), & thought it was, "not good" but didn't let it get in the way of her merriment of sticking one to Col U!!!
What is it with some people a great performance all round and instead of celebrating they choose to pick holes in the performance of our keeper and the motm that’s the idiocy
@EwanHoosaami said:
Should we not be simply enjoying a first double win against Col U, wallowing like pigs in poo over the fantastic performance of our team yesterday and celebrating the club's achievements over the last few years. We are 4th in the league, witnessed superb debut appearances from 2 loanees whom had barely anytime to get to know their new team mates. All the other players had a good/exceptional game & here are some of you nit picking over a throwaway comment by the MOM & not ideal but hardly criminal behaviour from a few boisterous younger fans! DOL, how some of you would have coped going to football matches in the 70's & 80's doesn't bear thinking about.
Cheer up, lighten up & look forward to the next match.
Why don’t we resist and close this thread in the knowledge we beat Col U we are 4th in the league, we have signed two good loan players. Plus Luke O’Nien scored a wonder goal and looks to be staying!!!
After about 4 seasons of the team being called time wasters, i’m Surprised this is the first time it’s spread to the crowd and that this has happened at wycombe. It’s hardly the first time it’s ever happened at a football match.
Think it happened about three in the whole ninety minutes didn’t it? The first time was them about 10 mins in, which was completely pointless. The two times we did - the first was at a time the players probably could have needed a breather and slowed down play a bit (something our players probably would have done in games gone past)
The second time, our players end up begging the crowd for the ball to come back. At the point it became a bit cringe.
This isn't the first time. The terrace kept it for a couple of minutes against Bristol Rovers two seasons ago when we were winning 1-0 in added time. I don't have a problem with it though.
Unfortunately I couldn't make the game, but managed to listen to Phil's commentary deep in the West Midlands on the 630MW frequency. Sounded like we came back from last week's disappointment with a good performance, and what a result! Sounded like a game to stoke the dying embers of the rivalry, and by the accounts of Wycombe fans present.
Without wanting to make myself look like Phil Prosser, watching Moore's run in the highlights made me double-take for a moment that Marcus Bean had suddenly produced a classic bit of defender's uncharacteristic skillful play.
As I wasn't at the game so can't comment on what happened re: some people in the Valley End not returning the ball, though it hasn't been the first time that some of our 'fans' have embarrassed themselves like that (Pompey away a couple of seasons ago).
When they scored, who was it who misplaced the pass straight to their defender, waltzed back towards our area when the ball was fed forward by them, then went for the wrong man allowing million £ man to score? Looked on the highlights but can’t see even a number at that distance. Anyone?
The Colchester United 'hooligans' are mostly over-excited teenagers who are looked upon with scorn by the genuine Colchester fans I know, in a similar way to which many of us view a certain section of our own fans.
I'm told that many of them don't bother to attend home games and those who do tend to have season tickets with family members who are unaware of their 'away' behaviour.
That would certainly explain why they were so quiet when we played there in September compared to what we witnessed on Saturday.
Last season I got the train from London to Wycombe to watch us play them at home last year. As I was changing at Baker Street I bumped into some very, very excitable Colchester lads. All wearing Stone Island, running around the underground drinking warm cans of Skol, couldn't have looked more than about 17.
They eagerly asked me if I thought'd there would be any trouble, if we had a firm, where the best spots would be for such things etc. etc. It was all extremely cringeworthy as they didn't look like they could fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and they left very disappointed by my tepid answers.
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I've already said that the noise coming from the valley terrace was superb. Got the whole crowd going and really helped create a brilliant atmosphere.
But keeping the ball like that was, for me at least, cringeworthy and pathetic. Luke O'Nien is a very good, and a very likeable player. But he shouldn't be condoning that.
Question: did the delay in giving the ball back wind up a) our team, b) their team, c) their supported, d) (some of) our supporters?
If a), b), c) and d) wan't worth it.
If b), c) and d) (as I suspect) probably worth it
Admittedly immature behaviour, but in the context of the opposition (and particularly the reported shenanigans outside the ground) relatively harmless.
But if it becomes a trend I'll try and find room on the high horse
@james Have to take you to task here. We currently have a youth hooligan element that is more evident for high profile games, unless you are blind or just choose to ignore it, I don't know why some brush it under the table like it doesn't exist.
Couldn’t agree more. I generally don’t worry too much about other teams and supporters either before or after the game but Scum, Rovers and Poxford seem to be those teams that you would just love to see swallowed up and disappear along with their “fans” They all seem to think that they some sort of sleeping giant and shouldn’t be in the lower researches of the league...just loved seeing every goal go in yesterday.
Oh and Bletchley Town are on that list as well....
I disagree. Context and the way a statement is delivered are very important.
A wonderful win against an old ‘enemy’ in the face of adversity (six senior players out injured, two FL debutants) and some people choose to pick on such a minor incident. Yes, it was stupid but in comparison to the reported behaviour of some Colchester fans (smoke bomb in the ground, trouble in the town centre) it was just that-a minor incident.
Let’s have a sense of perspective here.I have seen fans keep the ball like that dozens of times all over the country so if people are going to call for CCTV evidence to be used against them the police are going to be kept very busy week in week out.
Criticising L09 for what was clearly a harmless joke is unfair and disproportionate to say the least.
What a day, still smiling.
WE8C*LU
Absolutely @Ozzie_the_Relaxed still buzzing with that result.
I'm waiting impatiently to read their fans views,it's cold and miserable where i live and i need a good laugh.
So would I be right in thinking a fair few posters think playing Col U means the standards of behaviour can be owner and justified? I was a Wycombe fan when the rivalry started and was played out with genuine hatred. I now wonder if a new generation want to bring that back as it has been much more low key in previous games. I still gate Col U from experiences years ago but can't see how the youngsters can feel the same. There are new flash points to cling to.
It was a great game yesterday with top draw performances by the players. To walk out of the ground and nearly be run over by Police horses down Hillbottom Road and see police rugby tackling drunks took me back to those old matches. Instead of understanding the context though it just seemed set up. I wonder what families thought of the walk back to the car.
I can see why others are upset by it, but given the occasion, I myself wasn't too bothered by the ball-keeping. Had we done that in a game against a non-rival, I would have been absolutely mortified, but as far as I'm concerned, Col U are fair game.
Compared to the behaviour of a section of Col U supporters outside the ground, a bit of terrace volleyball rather pales into insignificance IMHO.
I must also disagree with @James regarding a small group within the youth element. As I left the ground I inadvertently found myself picking my way through the Col U police escort and one of them was on his phone to someone, apparently trying to set something up. I got in my taxi and a bit further down the road I passed a sizeable group of our fans, clearly on the prowl and one of them barking instructions, telling them to head to the park (Roundwood Park?). Hopefully nothing actually happened, as I have severe doubts over 'our' lot's willingness to have an actual fight, but there was certainly some intent to engage in something more than just 'boisterousness'.
I'm usually a big fan of @eric_plant posts but a dreadful comment here... totally agree with @arnos_grove . He was clearly jesting and I along with everyone else in the room found his remark amusing. Very poor calling him an idiot for that.
Also agree that these post match interviews just after the whistle in the bar are a great touch. Really highlights the closer bond between players and fans at our level compared to the elite
Should we not be simply enjoying a first double win against Col U, wallowing like pigs in poo over the fantastic performance of our team yesterday and celebrating the club's achievements over the last few years. We are 4th in the league, witnessed superb debut appearances from 2 loanees whom had barely anytime to get to know their new team mates. All the other players had a good/exceptional game & here are some of you nit picking over a throwaway comment by the MOM & not ideal but hardly criminal behaviour from a few boisterous younger fans! DOL, how some of you would have coped going to football matches in the 70's & 80's doesn't bear thinking about.
Cheer up, lighten up & look forward to the next match.
Well said Ewanhoosaami I agree wholeheartedly.
I mean Its not like he called Haiti a shithole or anything
@EwanHoosaami Exactly well said.
@EwanHoosaami totally agree with you but for me the actions of the few behind the goal (Luke's comments are not an issue) gave spoilt what should have been a great day.
Your days are easily spoiled. I was "uncomfortable " with the ball retention by the terrace, but would in no way let it "spoil" a brilliant victory over the old foe. Even the current encumbered title owner of Mrs @EwanHoosaami came out for this match, (she was a season ticket holder for the O'Neil days of rivalry), & thought it was, "not good" but didn't let it get in the way of her merriment of sticking one to Col U!!!
What is it with some people a great performance all round and instead of celebrating they choose to pick holes in the performance of our keeper and the motm that’s the idiocy
It didn't spoil my day either
POTD @EwanHoosaami
Let's make sure if we end up playing Col U in the play offs we get extra security in the terrace to rescue any stray balls.
Well said!
Why don’t we resist and close this thread in the knowledge we beat Col U we are 4th in the league, we have signed two good loan players. Plus Luke O’Nien scored a wonder goal and looks to be staying!!!
And I rest my case
After about 4 seasons of the team being called time wasters, i’m Surprised this is the first time it’s spread to the crowd and that this has happened at wycombe. It’s hardly the first time it’s ever happened at a football match.
Think it happened about three in the whole ninety minutes didn’t it? The first time was them about 10 mins in, which was completely pointless. The two times we did - the first was at a time the players probably could have needed a breather and slowed down play a bit (something our players probably would have done in games gone past)
The second time, our players end up begging the crowd for the ball to come back. At the point it became a bit cringe.
This isn't the first time. The terrace kept it for a couple of minutes against Bristol Rovers two seasons ago when we were winning 1-0 in added time. I don't have a problem with it though.
James, are you "Connor James" on FB out of interest?
Similar sort of style...
Just clocked Pete's "the Bean Lookalike" remark.
Deary me.
Unfortunately I couldn't make the game, but managed to listen to Phil's commentary deep in the West Midlands on the 630MW frequency. Sounded like we came back from last week's disappointment with a good performance, and what a result! Sounded like a game to stoke the dying embers of the rivalry, and by the accounts of Wycombe fans present.
Without wanting to make myself look like Phil Prosser, watching Moore's run in the highlights made me double-take for a moment that Marcus Bean had suddenly produced a classic bit of defender's uncharacteristic skillful play.
As I wasn't at the game so can't comment on what happened re: some people in the Valley End not returning the ball, though it hasn't been the first time that some of our 'fans' have embarrassed themselves like that (Pompey away a couple of seasons ago).
When they scored, who was it who misplaced the pass straight to their defender, waltzed back towards our area when the ball was fed forward by them, then went for the wrong man allowing million £ man to score? Looked on the highlights but can’t see even a number at that distance. Anyone?
The Colchester United 'hooligans' are mostly over-excited teenagers who are looked upon with scorn by the genuine Colchester fans I know, in a similar way to which many of us view a certain section of our own fans.
I'm told that many of them don't bother to attend home games and those who do tend to have season tickets with family members who are unaware of their 'away' behaviour.
That would certainly explain why they were so quiet when we played there in September compared to what we witnessed on Saturday.
Last season I got the train from London to Wycombe to watch us play them at home last year. As I was changing at Baker Street I bumped into some very, very excitable Colchester lads. All wearing Stone Island, running around the underground drinking warm cans of Skol, couldn't have looked more than about 17.
They eagerly asked me if I thought'd there would be any trouble, if we had a firm, where the best spots would be for such things etc. etc. It was all extremely cringeworthy as they didn't look like they could fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and they left very disappointed by my tepid answers.