And our recent election was hardly a glowing endorsement of any of the options presented. Labour got in through virtue of being not currently in power, and the landslide was a product of our strange electoral system.
@DevC I agree completely. There is a huge risk of a dangerous right wing ideologue having massive success at the next election, especially if Labour continue their soft right drift into pointlessness.
For democracy to be effective there has to be choice. And as you say in the last election here the Labour win can be in some way attributed to people voting against a party and not in favour of another. At the moment our version of democracy is broken.
There is probably a far bigger risk of a dangerous right wing ideologue having massive success at the next election if Labour were daft enough to revert to a Corbyn style leader. Different discussion for another day perhaps.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said and people are entitled to their opinion.
I did say I would find it difficult but not impossible. I suppose it would depend on how often that person wants to talk about Trump. I would have very little interest in talking about him or Harris for that matter, my interests are just not politically motivated.
Which leads me to wonder why I even replied on this thread but then such a divisive personality does that to all of us.
No one wants to grab the nettles that dog this country. Politicians main aim, on all sides, is to try to make sure they are re-elected, not to serve the country. Until this changes, we, as a nation, will continue to sink into the mire of mediocrity. Ho hum.....
Actually I don't think that is true at all @Bluetoo . The vast majority of politicians on all sides want to make the country a better place as they see it in my experience,
Having no obvious, committed, inspiring statesmen/women on either side inevitably leads to people looking at barking frog faced frauds and posh moral blackholes who claim to be and thinking...they must be the answer if they say they are.
My point was the quality of the Democratic campaign and candidate choice may not have ideal, but neither was the other side, to vote for Trump you are endorsing who he is and what he'll do.
I don't buy the "not all Trump supporters are racists" line. If you're not a racist, you don't vote for one. The USA is a spectacularly racist country, on a completely different level, so it's no surprise that over half the country is racist enough to vote a racist into the highest office in the land.
I do wonder what the lesson is to take from Harris’s failed campaign then , because it seems pretty aligned to the thinking of the current Labour Party leadership.
For me, those who voted for Trump either ignored all the warnings because they love the racism and isolationism and recognise him as the all powerful King and will expect him to do all the things he has said...or ignored all the warnings because they think he's just showboating and not really going to do all the mad things he's said he will when he's in office and just being called nasty names by the opposition. (Despite already having had four years of it.)
Either way they must be ****ing mad.
He's not going to make the same mistakes he made the last time of having any experts or competence or possible blockers in his administration and once a government starts rounding people up, they very rarely stop.
“…in some way attributed to people voting against a party [rather than] in favour of another party.”
That feels to me like a massive understatement. Anyone with half a brain would surely have been in no doubt that the mess Labour inherited had made it inevitable that they would need to quickly adopt some pretty unpopular measures if they were to have any chance of achieving the longer term objective of balancing the books and restoring to something like their historical state of our broken but not beaten public services. For the majority of voters there were no realistic alternatives.
On the Trump issue, the only positive I can take from his “success” is a negative one based on the feeling that, if Harris had won, the prospect of him inciting further insurrection might have become an existential threat.
If Trump does impose some of his wilder, unbelievably insane, anti-vax policies in a generation or three we won’t have to worry too much about how the remaining 7842 population of the USA actually vote.
(Unfortunately factoring in the damage that some of his wilder, unbelievably insane, anti-climate change policies in a generation or three the remaining 8573 population of the rest of the world will have far more pressing survival issues on their mind anyway)
Donald Trump was held by a jury of his peers to have penetrated E Jean Carroll’s vagina with his fingers. Trump apologists say that, because he did not use his penis, this wasn’t rape.
if you voted for this man, you have lost your moral compass.
This article says that Owen lived within a stone's throw of the Hampden Arms in Great Hampden. I always thought bodgers were itinerant, apparently not.
I like how the headline implies the trampoline is sentient - they worded a headline about a tree the same way. Also quite unusual for storms to smell so bad, isn't it?
I love how the photo is so grainy and foreboding too, like the headline is really about the trampoline lurking in an alley and that we should all beware.
I remember when they introduced the CSA to great voter cheers as it was to target errant fathers and make them pay child support.
Then they realised that errant fathers, being errant, were hard to find, so they just made fathers already paying who were easy to find, pay crippling extra amounts to mothers who weren't even asking for more.
I think immigrant voters (and it seems their US born children) who voted for the Mango Mussolino to stop more immigration are about to find out that documented immigrants are easier to find and deport than undocumented immigrants.
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And our recent election was hardly a glowing endorsement of any of the options presented. Labour got in through virtue of being not currently in power, and the landslide was a product of our strange electoral system.
@DevC I agree completely. There is a huge risk of a dangerous right wing ideologue having massive success at the next election, especially if Labour continue their soft right drift into pointlessness.
For democracy to be effective there has to be choice. And as you say in the last election here the Labour win can be in some way attributed to people voting against a party and not in favour of another. At the moment our version of democracy is broken.
There is probably a far bigger risk of a dangerous right wing ideologue having massive success at the next election if Labour were daft enough to revert to a Corbyn style leader. Different discussion for another day perhaps.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said and people are entitled to their opinion.
I did say I would find it difficult but not impossible. I suppose it would depend on how often that person wants to talk about Trump. I would have very little interest in talking about him or Harris for that matter, my interests are just not politically motivated.
Which leads me to wonder why I even replied on this thread but then such a divisive personality does that to all of us.
No one wants to grab the nettles that dog this country. Politicians main aim, on all sides, is to try to make sure they are re-elected, not to serve the country. Until this changes, we, as a nation, will continue to sink into the mire of mediocrity. Ho hum.....
Actually I don't think that is true at all @Bluetoo . The vast majority of politicians on all sides want to make the country a better place as they see it in my experience,
Having no obvious, committed, inspiring statesmen/women on either side inevitably leads to people looking at barking frog faced frauds and posh moral blackholes who claim to be and thinking...they must be the answer if they say they are.
Of course, Not sure who you are disagreeing with.
My point was the quality of the Democratic campaign and candidate choice may not have ideal, but neither was the other side, to vote for Trump you are endorsing who he is and what he'll do.
I don't buy the "not all Trump supporters are racists" line. If you're not a racist, you don't vote for one. The USA is a spectacularly racist country, on a completely different level, so it's no surprise that over half the country is racist enough to vote a racist into the highest office in the land.
I do wonder what the lesson is to take from Harris’s failed campaign then , because it seems pretty aligned to the thinking of the current Labour Party leadership.
For me, those who voted for Trump either ignored all the warnings because they love the racism and isolationism and recognise him as the all powerful King and will expect him to do all the things he has said...or ignored all the warnings because they think he's just showboating and not really going to do all the mad things he's said he will when he's in office and just being called nasty names by the opposition. (Despite already having had four years of it.)
Either way they must be ****ing mad.
He's not going to make the same mistakes he made the last time of having any experts or competence or possible blockers in his administration and once a government starts rounding people up, they very rarely stop.
I suspect in many cases, they just thought he might make their lives a little better now than the alternative.
I wish they hadn't but they have.
We have no choice but to make the best (or at least least worst) of it......
I think we are ok when debate remains cordial and constructive. The Gasroom needs to be held up as a beacon of hope.
and I agree I couldn’t be friends with someone who spoke at length about Trump. Who could?
You have to remember that racists don't like being called racist and it makes them be more racist, and that would be your fault not theirs.
Or something like that.
Am I racist for calling racists racist? 🤔
“…in some way attributed to people voting against a party [rather than] in favour of another party.”
That feels to me like a massive understatement. Anyone with half a brain would surely have been in no doubt that the mess Labour inherited had made it inevitable that they would need to quickly adopt some pretty unpopular measures if they were to have any chance of achieving the longer term objective of balancing the books and restoring to something like their historical state of our broken but not beaten public services. For the majority of voters there were no realistic alternatives.
On the Trump issue, the only positive I can take from his “success” is a negative one based on the feeling that, if Harris had won, the prospect of him inciting further insurrection might have become an existential threat.
Let’s look at the positives…
If Trump does impose some of his wilder, unbelievably insane, anti-vax policies in a generation or three we won’t have to worry too much about how the remaining 7842 population of the USA actually vote.
(Unfortunately factoring in the damage that some of his wilder, unbelievably insane, anti-climate change policies in a generation or three the remaining 8573 population of the rest of the world will have far more pressing survival issues on their mind anyway)
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Donald Trump was held by a jury of his peers to have penetrated E Jean Carroll’s vagina with his fingers. Trump apologists say that, because he did not use his penis, this wasn’t rape.
if you voted for this man, you have lost your moral compass.
Interesting little film from 1950, on two of the last chair bodgers, Owen and Alexander Dean.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1864973059024687548?t=1sqMlAHw1im7WLvS9WHTTQ&s=19
Edit - BBC link added, for those wanting to avoid opening twitter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/videos/cp0gz9gm8z8o
This article says that Owen lived within a stone's throw of the Hampden Arms in Great Hampden. I always thought bodgers were itinerant, apparently not.
https://stuartking.co.uk/chair-bodgers-of-buckinghamshire/
I like how the headline implies the trampoline is sentient - they worded a headline about a tree the same way. Also quite unusual for storms to smell so bad, isn't it?
We could have a whole thread of funny BFP headlines, although nothing is ever beating 'genitials'.
I love how the photo is so grainy and foreboding too, like the headline is really about the trampoline lurking in an alley and that we should all beware.
The new Paranormal Activity looks rubbish
That might have been the one I saw following my wheelie bins down the road?
Have they found the gazebo yet? I'm guessing it won't be looking so good anymore.
For me, they’ll never top ‘Man defecates in charity shop’.
Link please!
I remember when they introduced the CSA to great voter cheers as it was to target errant fathers and make them pay child support.
Then they realised that errant fathers, being errant, were hard to find, so they just made fathers already paying who were easy to find, pay crippling extra amounts to mothers who weren't even asking for more.
I think immigrant voters (and it seems their US born children) who voted for the Mango Mussolino to stop more immigration are about to find out that documented immigrants are easier to find and deport than undocumented immigrants.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7859539x9vo
Voyce spent six years with Wasps, all of those at Adam’s Park
Have asked the keeper of the headline for a pic - he’s trying to remember where he’s stashed the cut out.
Full headline was ‘Alcoholic Caught Defecating in Charity Shop’.
@flymofrank here you go https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/5193005.alcoholic-caught-defecating-in-charity-shop/