I understand the "development and change" in the language as it has always been the case. However, the new, lyrical, rising intonation and falling onto the gravelly voiced that seems to be the new standard for young ladies is difficult for me and to some extent, unpleasant on the ear. Old fogey I know but my opinion nonetheless. I feel I'm with @micra on this.
I think Micra may also be frustratedly by the prevalence of Australian Question Intonation in modern language, which is the tendency to raise one’s voice at the end of a sentence to make the statement sound like a question.
It drives me potty too. I usually try and answer the ‘question’ posed, which usually throughly confuses the speaker.
These women are turning up everywhere these days. They shouldn’t be presenting football highlights programmes, we all know you need a penis to do that. They should be in the kitchen making men’s dinner instead. Wouldn’t ‘ave ‘appended in my day. I blame that Emmeline Pankhurst…
Lineker just said 'Harvey Elliot with a screamer, which is not the only one we've had tonight'. Look it up on twitter/youtube if you've not seen (heard) it. Truly shocking!
Funnily enough @Lloyd2084 I’ve either become immune to that questioning intonation phenomenon or, I like to think, it has become less prevalent. No, it’s the high pitched, slightly squeaky voices which sound like the speaker is barely secondary school age. Even that doesn’t do justice to what I’ve been trying to describe. I must try and find a typical example and provide a link.
As head cook and bottle washer in this household, I enjoyed @glasshalfempty’s ironic post earlier this evening.
Here’s Jules Breach. Must admit, less grating than she sounded on the EFL highlights programme. And not in the high pitched schoolgirl voice category either.
That’s definitely one of the vocal quirks among many (particularly amongst American men and women) which can be irritating. But there’s a whole panoply out there, I’m afraid.
Alan Shearer really is the world's most boring man, isn't he. Says nothing of worth in a dull monotone. He's also one of the worst offenders when it comes to being unable to differentiate between a foot and a yard.
Astonishing stuff from the FA. Do they actually think they'll get away with drawing such a conclusion? I fully expect them to be deservedly torn to shreds on this. Disgusting.
Just as I’ve finished reading what was clearly a definitive (in its true definition) list of obnoxious racist slurs, you come up with something which (unconsciously of course) trumps the original. Unbelievable.
The following video explains vocal fry, the mainly American phenomenon to which @drcongo referred, as well as the questioning intonation at the end of sentences which @ValleyWanderer mentioned - originating in Orstralia.
My apologies to all (the vast majority no doubt) who don’t share my interest in language, linguistics, voices (musical and speaking) and speech patterns generally.
This sort of "humour" was (sadly) commonplace in the workplace and on mainstream TV not so many years ago. Some of those comedians - the Roy Brown, Manning, Davidson type - are still around. Someone must pay to watch them....
That "humour" is no longer acceptable in the workplace and thank goodness for that. But we would be naive to think that there are not dinosaurs out there who haven't caught up with the message in respect of what is now acceptable.
There is a difference I think between people misguidedly making what they think are jokes in what is now considered by the vast majority unacceptedly bad taste but not intending any harm and those who are deliberately exploiting positions of power intending to humiliate other people. I think the FA is right to recognise that difference as it appears they have.
To be clear I agree that Yems actions were offensive and deserve strong sanction and the reality is that in this case the sanction applied has de facto ended this man's career in football. I think it is important though that the investigation has examined the situation and has publicly concluded that Yems actions and his subsequent punishment were a result of him being a dick rather than an evil bastard. While I suspect I will get some abuse for this post, to me it feels like in a difficult case, they have got this about right.
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I understand the "development and change" in the language as it has always been the case. However, the new, lyrical, rising intonation and falling onto the gravelly voiced that seems to be the new standard for young ladies is difficult for me and to some extent, unpleasant on the ear. Old fogey I know but my opinion nonetheless. I feel I'm with @micra on this.
FMOB
I wish I hadn't just googled that
It happened again today. An excruciatingly irritating voice on the programme following The World at One. I just said eff off and switched off.
Are you discussing what's known as vocal fry?
Isn't he on the board at Peterborough?
That's brown envelope fry
I think Micra may also be frustratedly by the prevalence of Australian Question Intonation in modern language, which is the tendency to raise one’s voice at the end of a sentence to make the statement sound like a question.
It drives me potty too. I usually try and answer the ‘question’ posed, which usually throughly confuses the speaker.
I don’t often get repeat invitations to parties…
These women are turning up everywhere these days. They shouldn’t be presenting football highlights programmes, we all know you need a penis to do that. They should be in the kitchen making men’s dinner instead. Wouldn’t ‘ave ‘appended in my day. I blame that Emmeline Pankhurst…
What on earth is that noise in the background of the BBC Fa Cup coverage?!
The Wolverhampton accent?
Lineker just said 'Harvey Elliot with a screamer, which is not the only one we've had tonight'. Look it up on twitter/youtube if you've not seen (heard) it. Truly shocking!
One of those BBC women sports reporters talking funny.
Funnily enough @Lloyd2084 I’ve either become immune to that questioning intonation phenomenon or, I like to think, it has become less prevalent. No, it’s the high pitched, slightly squeaky voices which sound like the speaker is barely secondary school age. Even that doesn’t do justice to what I’ve been trying to describe. I must try and find a typical example and provide a link.
As head cook and bottle washer in this household, I enjoyed @glasshalfempty’s ironic post earlier this evening.
Here’s Jules Breach. Must admit, less grating than she sounded on the EFL highlights programme. And not in the high pitched schoolgirl voice category either.
https://youtu.be/n3SL81rASW8
That’s definitely one of the vocal quirks among many (particularly amongst American men and women) which can be irritating. But there’s a whole panoply out there, I’m afraid.
Alan Shearer really is the world's most boring man, isn't he. Says nothing of worth in a dull monotone. He's also one of the worst offenders when it comes to being unable to differentiate between a foot and a yard.
But Lady Panoply spoke the Queen's English. Yes m'lady.
This is a disgrace and the FA should hang their heads in shame. https://twitter.com/AlexMiller91/status/1615480015495303169
Unless I've missed something, is that just a video of a woman talking? In her female voice?
Astonishing stuff from the FA. Do they actually think they'll get away with drawing such a conclusion? I fully expect them to be deservedly torn to shreds on this. Disgusting.
Actual lol
Indeed it is. Bad enough but, as I’ve already admitted, not the greatest example! 😫
Don’t worry (why would you) I’ll find a better example!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974
Anything can be passed off as 'banter' these days, it seems.
Just as I’ve finished reading what was clearly a definitive (in its true definition) list of obnoxious racist slurs, you come up with something which (unconsciously of course) trumps the original. Unbelievable.
Likes his bomb banter doesn't he!
The following video explains vocal fry, the mainly American phenomenon to which @drcongo referred, as well as the questioning intonation at the end of sentences which @ValleyWanderer mentioned - originating in Orstralia.
https://youtu.be/UsE5mysfZsY
My apologies to all (the vast majority no doubt) who don’t share my interest in language, linguistics, voices (musical and speaking) and speech patterns generally.
I've bored on long enough.
This sort of "humour" was (sadly) commonplace in the workplace and on mainstream TV not so many years ago. Some of those comedians - the Roy Brown, Manning, Davidson type - are still around. Someone must pay to watch them....
That "humour" is no longer acceptable in the workplace and thank goodness for that. But we would be naive to think that there are not dinosaurs out there who haven't caught up with the message in respect of what is now acceptable.
There is a difference I think between people misguidedly making what they think are jokes in what is now considered by the vast majority unacceptedly bad taste but not intending any harm and those who are deliberately exploiting positions of power intending to humiliate other people. I think the FA is right to recognise that difference as it appears they have.
To be clear I agree that Yems actions were offensive and deserve strong sanction and the reality is that in this case the sanction applied has de facto ended this man's career in football. I think it is important though that the investigation has examined the situation and has publicly concluded that Yems actions and his subsequent punishment were a result of him being a dick rather than an evil bastard. While I suspect I will get some abuse for this post, to me it feels like in a difficult case, they have got this about right.