The thing that really stings for me is that the ruling authorities in football basically let them do it. So we’ll see these examples in future because the powers that be will at all costs want to avoid another Bury situation, but in the process they’ll ironically fuel the very thing that risks teams long term futures (spend now, ask later) and eventually end up killing the wrong clubs who can’t afford to find a millionaire to bail them out.
I know I’ve moaned about the way we’ve approached the game on the field today, but I still wouldn’t swap our club with any other, particularly with those toxic pits of greed and entitlement dressed as sleeping giant football clubs (see Derby, Sunderland, Peterborough, Ipswich, MK etc).
Interesting that so many disagree. Fair enough. Where do you think McCarthy and Grimmer played today? For me Grimmer was a very narrow full back and McCarthy as a winger. Out of possession was different to in possession. But I’d have called it a back four as McCarthy was so advanced - especially for the first 60 mins.
As well as No McCleary it’s not easy for Gareth without Scowen, Wheeler or Thompson available. That’s a pretty good midfield in its itself.
If none of them are back next week and Adam Leathers has a decent outing at Stevenage on Tuesday, I wonder if it’s worth giving him a chance. From what I’ve seen of him so far, he’s got a bit of what we were missing in the midfield today.
Same as Tuesday night. Grimmer right side of back 3 and Jason right wing back. Only real change was we went to midfield 3 instead of dual no.10s as against Accy.
Gaz has a lot of credit in the bank, but for me, it was obvious we need to change things. Everyone could see it, Phil on the commentary team, his co commentator, me, my wife & the majority of the gas room posters. The co commentator, (Toby?), kept saying, there is only so many free runs you can give players of their quality before one goes in. Yet still we persisted and eventually paid the price. The winner was also inevitable. We have a good centre back p[airing, but they are not super human.
I haven't got the answer as to what he should have done, that is what he is paid to do, but as others have said, we have the players now to compete better. Need better thinking next week.
I still can't believe the EFL let them delay submitting their accounts, which relegated us in the end. The accounts were already 3 or 4 years late.
They'll be back in the Champ in a year or two with a solid squad. In contrast, we were deprived of the only chance to ever see our team in the Championship. That will always grate. I completely hate them
As a man of a certain age I think you will agree that campaigns can start with a certain amount of defeats but still result in victory, we cannot, CANNOT, submit to those faint hearts. As an aside I would never accuse you of such.
The idea we can go to teams like Derby, with the quality they have, and just sit back and invite pressure is crazy. As mentioned by others, we don’t utilise our quality going forward and expose our weaknesses (when without Scowen) all at the same time.
We’re far from a one man team but were it not for Mehmeti we’d have been down and out in a few more games than we already have been this season.
To be honest we rode our luck a bit on Tuesday night. We did pretty much the American as today, go 1-0 up and sit back and let them come into us. Yes we had more chances against Accrington but it was very nervy.
The key to enjoying this season is going to be accepting it for what it is.
We're a team in transition between the end of one era and the start of another. We've started exactly how teams who lose play-off finals often do. We've got some great players, some future superstars and some club legends. We'll win some we're not supposed to, and lose some we're supposed to win. We're one of the dozen teams in this weird old division that can claim to be play-off contenders, but we've got lots of work to do.
But when you have Mawson-Taf-Scowen-McCleary-Mehmeti-Vokes, who are all unarguable star players in this division, with a few others who are certainly strong in league 1 like McCarthy and Obita, it's natural our expectations are fairly high.
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Hopefully it's a temporary move while we're lacking wide attacking options, plus trying to incorporate Grimmer now McCarthy is back.
But I can't believe anyone thinks we're better for 5 at the back.
It worked in the championship for a limited time, but that was with a totally different type of striker.
The thing that really stings for me is that the ruling authorities in football basically let them do it. So we’ll see these examples in future because the powers that be will at all costs want to avoid another Bury situation, but in the process they’ll ironically fuel the very thing that risks teams long term futures (spend now, ask later) and eventually end up killing the wrong clubs who can’t afford to find a millionaire to bail them out.
I know I’ve moaned about the way we’ve approached the game on the field today, but I still wouldn’t swap our club with any other, particularly with those toxic pits of greed and entitlement dressed as sleeping giant football clubs (see Derby, Sunderland, Peterborough, Ipswich, MK etc).
Interesting that so many disagree. Fair enough. Where do you think McCarthy and Grimmer played today? For me Grimmer was a very narrow full back and McCarthy as a winger. Out of possession was different to in possession. But I’d have called it a back four as McCarthy was so advanced - especially for the first 60 mins.
As well as No McCleary it’s not easy for Gareth without Scowen, Wheeler or Thompson available. That’s a pretty good midfield in its itself.
If none of them are back next week and Adam Leathers has a decent outing at Stevenage on Tuesday, I wonder if it’s worth giving him a chance. From what I’ve seen of him so far, he’s got a bit of what we were missing in the midfield today.
Same as Tuesday night. Grimmer right side of back 3 and Jason right wing back. Only real change was we went to midfield 3 instead of dual no.10s as against Accy.
Gaz has a lot of credit in the bank, but for me, it was obvious we need to change things. Everyone could see it, Phil on the commentary team, his co commentator, me, my wife & the majority of the gas room posters. The co commentator, (Toby?), kept saying, there is only so many free runs you can give players of their quality before one goes in. Yet still we persisted and eventually paid the price. The winner was also inevitable. We have a good centre back p[airing, but they are not super human.
I haven't got the answer as to what he should have done, that is what he is paid to do, but as others have said, we have the players now to compete better. Need better thinking next week.
I still can't believe the EFL let them delay submitting their accounts, which relegated us in the end. The accounts were already 3 or 4 years late.
They'll be back in the Champ in a year or two with a solid squad. In contrast, we were deprived of the only chance to ever see our team in the Championship. That will always grate. I completely hate them
As a man of a certain age I think you will agree that campaigns can start with a certain amount of defeats but still result in victory, we cannot, CANNOT, submit to those faint hearts. As an aside I would never accuse you of such.
We have to move on. Hate wins nothing.
It was the way they weren't obliged to sell players to cover debts that was the biggest joke, in a sea of farce.
Sorry but I'm well pissed off at that ! 1-0 up at half time...
Then just waste time and try and defend for the rest of the game... ffs go for the win !! Got what we deserved, was so hopeful at half time.
Felt like a hybrid between a back 3 and a back 4 - which was probably by design.
It wasn’t a hybrid, it was a back 3. If we’re being modern about it, it was 3-4-1-2 (or 3-3-2-1-1). But either way it was a negative mess.
If no one can work out what it was, I think that tells its own story. It looked unstructured to me.
All of my group chat observed it as a 4 🤷♂️
Word for word what I was going to write.
The idea we can go to teams like Derby, with the quality they have, and just sit back and invite pressure is crazy. As mentioned by others, we don’t utilise our quality going forward and expose our weaknesses (when without Scowen) all at the same time.
We’re far from a one man team but were it not for Mehmeti we’d have been down and out in a few more games than we already have been this season.
We really didn’t!
There must have been a lot of debate about Taf's positioning then!
I was with you until that last sentence.
Alternatively, we're nowhere near good enough to go to a team like Derby and blow them off the field.
Especially with Vokes still bedding in post injury, no McCleary, and no Scowen.
Make of this what you will
No way was that a 4 !
I don't want to go all Trevor, but that 2nd half performance and tactics has really hacked me off
How dare Derby attack us.
To be honest we rode our luck a bit on Tuesday night. We did pretty much the American as today, go 1-0 up and sit back and let them come into us. Yes we had more chances against Accrington but it was very nervy.
God knows where American came from, should have been same.
Looked like a back 0 at times...
We could've attacked back ? Who knows, might have scored a 2nd
The key to enjoying this season is going to be accepting it for what it is.
We're a team in transition between the end of one era and the start of another. We've started exactly how teams who lose play-off finals often do. We've got some great players, some future superstars and some club legends. We'll win some we're not supposed to, and lose some we're supposed to win. We're one of the dozen teams in this weird old division that can claim to be play-off contenders, but we've got lots of work to do.
You are right.
But when you have Mawson-Taf-Scowen-McCleary-Mehmeti-Vokes, who are all unarguable star players in this division, with a few others who are certainly strong in league 1 like McCarthy and Obita, it's natural our expectations are fairly high.
@Malone having a realistic shot at making the L1 playoffs *are* fairly high expectations.