As James O'Brien pointed out earlier, surely arresting protestors is more disruptive than anything the protestors are doing themselves. Republic are such a tame organisation and had been in regular contact with the police about their protest plans for today - and been given the green light. It sounds like the arrests were in relation to the handles on their placards being mistaken for 'locking on' devices (or maybe that was just used as a justification...). Scary times indeed.
You cannot be seriously suggesting that the ceremonial coronation of a monarch, the first for 70 years, is in any way comparable with the appalling abuse of human rights that slavery was, even if that was legal at one time.
Turning up on the fringes of the overwhelming pro-monarchy crowds and gurning at the camera while wearing a naff yellow T-shirt and getting arrested is hardly an effective form of protest in any case.
As we all know, the King is nominally Head of State, but has no real power, that rests with Parliament. If you want to change the constitution, vote for a party that promises to abolish the monarchy and make the UK a republic in its manifesto. None of the main parties are promising to do that, so maybe you'll have to start a new Republican party.
The Met's justification for the arrests seems to be 'it's a once in a lifetime event, therefore we can overdo it a bit'. As of 15 minutes ago, the arrested Republic members (I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it was their leadership team) were still being detained. Watch them get released without charge.
Disagree eric. I think them that likes it would have enjoyed it and them that do not will think it must have opened everyone's eyes to the inherent ridiculousness of the whole shebang. Tomorrow nothing will have changed. I seem to recall when the Queen of our Hearts was being given her send off there were many people predicting Charles (his family/the press/a pissed up limo driver having murdered her) would never be King...no doubt the same folks had tears in their eyes today.
Out of curiosity @bargepole (and any other royalists who wish to enter the debate) if you were to meet King Charles 3 would you bow (or curtsy, or whatever the ‘proper’ etiquette is) and if so, why?
He is no better as a person than you, me or anyone else you know so I really don’t understand why anyone needs to show the deference that seems to be expected.
(My approach in the past was to stand at the back out of the way and ignore them. They weren’t interested in me and likewise I wasn’t interested in them so no offence to anyone).
Your last sentence surely contains the answer @bargepole . A friend had a stall on Wendover market when King Bozzer and his wife appeared. While loads thronged to greet and be snapped with the chief buffoon, others did not and he himself seemed to have a sense of which oiks were not likely to be charmed by his bulky bonhomie and so avoided them. I assume the Royals...with years of experience and not being entirely removed from reality have the same sixth sense.
Interesting! I have a feeling there may have been some sort of royal visit while I was at RGS, but I only remember the time we randomly had the Top Gear lot come down to film.
Not that interesting but I will put a good word in for Hilary Clinton. She was over as the partner of Bill Clinton when he was President and there was a big shindig at Chequers with lots of world leaders and partners (late 90s I think). In the two dozen or so times I did this particular job she was the only person to come over and thank me (and shook my hand).
Similar - a minor royal at my school, that I actually saw.
And oddly, two of the recent Top Gear guys that I just about caught sight of out the window.
Not helped by some dippy woman sending an email out about how "Chris and Matt" were in the carpark of the industrial estate we worked at. Everyone assume she just meant some nobodies from our office, not the tv blokes!
Given that I would be unlikely to bump into him while shopping in the supermarket, the only way I might meet the King would be if I were invited to the Palace for some reason, or he attended an official function at which I was present.
In such circumstances, no doubt an equerry would brief me on the correct form of address, which I believe is 'Your Royal Highness' on first meeting, and 'Sir' thereafter. This is not because he is any better as a person - we were both born in the same year, and both put our trousers on one leg at a time - but out of respect for his position.
It's the same when I'm appearing in the County Court as an advocate. District Judges are addressed as Sir or Madam, and a Circuit Judge or Recorder is 'Your Honour'. These are just social conventions which one should observe.
Talking of Bristol Rovers, I see that our old friend Mr Barton has been at it again. After they lost at Shrewsbury he criticised the way the opposition played and had a dig at their manager and his number two. He then, without the merest hint of irony, called a former Rovers player who is now at Shrewsbury disrespectful for celebrating his goal.
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You’re not seriously suggesting that the police arrested as many anti-monarchists as the thousands who turned up to support the coronation?
Are you OK? Is probably the better question to pose.
good point
I'm fine, thanks for asking. Not sure about some others, though.
As James O'Brien pointed out earlier, surely arresting protestors is more disruptive than anything the protestors are doing themselves. Republic are such a tame organisation and had been in regular contact with the police about their protest plans for today - and been given the green light. It sounds like the arrests were in relation to the handles on their placards being mistaken for 'locking on' devices (or maybe that was just used as a justification...). Scary times indeed.
At one point slavery was legal. Were people protesting it deluded, because at the time they were legally and constitutionally shit out of luck?
Even obvious attention seeking bellends should be free to protest and go on strike.
Ah, the unbiased voice of reason and neutrality that is James O’Brien.
You cannot be seriously suggesting that the ceremonial coronation of a monarch, the first for 70 years, is in any way comparable with the appalling abuse of human rights that slavery was, even if that was legal at one time.
Turning up on the fringes of the overwhelming pro-monarchy crowds and gurning at the camera while wearing a naff yellow T-shirt and getting arrested is hardly an effective form of protest in any case.
As we all know, the King is nominally Head of State, but has no real power, that rests with Parliament. If you want to change the constitution, vote for a party that promises to abolish the monarchy and make the UK a republic in its manifesto. None of the main parties are promising to do that, so maybe you'll have to start a new Republican party.
A fair point to a degree, but it was a reasonable argument anyone could have made - it was just him I happened to see discussing it.
I don't think it's been a great day for the monarchy to be honest.
I think the 2hr long televised Masonic-esque Cult initiation might just have opened a few people's eyes to what a load of old shite it truly is
In an attempt to bring the thread back to topic....
King Charles spotted in our new home strip in Marlow
The Met's justification for the arrests seems to be 'it's a once in a lifetime event, therefore we can overdo it a bit'. As of 15 minutes ago, the arrested Republic members (I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it was their leadership team) were still being detained. Watch them get released without charge.
That's Bristol Rovers!
Are you Lee Anderson? https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1654785473867395073?t=IyFdhTPPnnhrF278R38hEg&s=19
Disagree eric. I think them that likes it would have enjoyed it and them that do not will think it must have opened everyone's eyes to the inherent ridiculousness of the whole shebang. Tomorrow nothing will have changed. I seem to recall when the Queen of our Hearts was being given her send off there were many people predicting Charles (his family/the press/a pissed up limo driver having murdered her) would never be King...no doubt the same folks had tears in their eyes today.
Out of curiosity @bargepole (and any other royalists who wish to enter the debate) if you were to meet King Charles 3 would you bow (or curtsy, or whatever the ‘proper’ etiquette is) and if so, why?
He is no better as a person than you, me or anyone else you know so I really don’t understand why anyone needs to show the deference that seems to be expected.
(My approach in the past was to stand at the back out of the way and ignore them. They weren’t interested in me and likewise I wasn’t interested in them so no offence to anyone).
That last part makes it sound like you were in regular close proximity to the royals...?
Your last sentence surely contains the answer @bargepole . A friend had a stall on Wendover market when King Bozzer and his wife appeared. While loads thronged to greet and be snapped with the chief buffoon, others did not and he himself seemed to have a sense of which oiks were not likely to be charmed by his bulky bonhomie and so avoided them. I assume the Royals...with years of experience and not being entirely removed from reality have the same sixth sense.
There were occasions that I was. In Charles case when he was still with Diana so that dates it back. Only twice with those two though. (Work)
Interesting! I have a feeling there may have been some sort of royal visit while I was at RGS, but I only remember the time we randomly had the Top Gear lot come down to film.
Not that interesting but I will put a good word in for Hilary Clinton. She was over as the partner of Bill Clinton when he was President and there was a big shindig at Chequers with lots of world leaders and partners (late 90s I think). In the two dozen or so times I did this particular job she was the only person to come over and thank me (and shook my hand).
Similar - a minor royal at my school, that I actually saw.
And oddly, two of the recent Top Gear guys that I just about caught sight of out the window.
Not helped by some dippy woman sending an email out about how "Chris and Matt" were in the carpark of the industrial estate we worked at. Everyone assume she just meant some nobodies from our office, not the tv blokes!
I want to talk about the new kit....
For some reason I didn't even think about buying this year's home kit.
I put it down to tightwaddery, but must have had some inner sense that it'd only be a 1 year job.
Given that I would be unlikely to bump into him while shopping in the supermarket, the only way I might meet the King would be if I were invited to the Palace for some reason, or he attended an official function at which I was present.
In such circumstances, no doubt an equerry would brief me on the correct form of address, which I believe is 'Your Royal Highness' on first meeting, and 'Sir' thereafter. This is not because he is any better as a person - we were both born in the same year, and both put our trousers on one leg at a time - but out of respect for his position.
It's the same when I'm appearing in the County Court as an advocate. District Judges are addressed as Sir or Madam, and a Circuit Judge or Recorder is 'Your Honour'. These are just social conventions which one should observe.
Surely all this is meant for the "Not Football" thread?
Out of interest, were you by any chance at RGS at the same time as Matt Dawson?
Talking of Bristol Rovers, I see that our old friend Mr Barton has been at it again. After they lost at Shrewsbury he criticised the way the opposition played and had a dig at their manager and his number two. He then, without the merest hint of irony, called a former Rovers player who is now at Shrewsbury disrespectful for celebrating his goal.
Love the answer thanks. I hope you do realise it is bollocks but fair play.