@ReturnToSenda no worries at all, and always keep posting on here and other mediums. From my side your opinions and thoughts on things always add to the conversation and I generally enjoy reading your contributions on the club and the wider game too. This place would not be the same without you (or @micra, @Shev, @ChasHarps@Malone@Right_in_the_Middle, @TheAndyGrahamFanClub etc)
It's interesting, @ReturnTiSenda, that you believe team/club quality is largely a matter of fact. I'd have said it was largely a matter of opinion - certainly with players at our level.
e.g. according to Sunderland fans Scowen has no quality, according to Wycombe fans he does.
Your prediction about tomorrow's weather is not an opinion as tomorrow is not yet a fact. Neither is it a fact that there will be twenty four hours tomorrow as there are no facts about the future.
Squad depth is an opinion, we all have different opinions about players ability, not just fans but different managers see value in using different players in different ways. Pace, experience and other attributes can be fact but over a period of time particularly a good player can drift and fringe ones can become regulars with experience and coaching. If people didn't speculate on players performances, suitability and potential we'd only have petty infighting and grammar to moan about. In my opinion.
Ha ha, yes. I think these are concepts that the average Gasroomer (very intelligent) can get their heads round and are worth thinking about to enhance the quality of debate. One that really trips people up is understanding the difference between an opinion and a preference. I'll try to leave it there but might feel compelled to reply if anyone takes issue with me.
If everyone is the same level as last season, then it's impossible to say this squad is the same quality, as we've lost 2 quality starters and a very hard to replace Bayo.
However, it's fairly certain everyone won't be the same level as last season so therefore comes down to opinion.
Is the major difference between opinion and preference not just that opinion relates to something that has happened / is happening, and preference concerns something yet to happen?
Thought Horgan was excellent yesterday btw. I’ve not always been his biggest fan and would still sometimes like to see Hanlan starting more games, which would drop Horgan to the bench, but yesterday he was at his best in terms of linking our forward play.
He also managed to win the ball back in the opposition half quite a few times, something which I’ve always felt was lacking from his game and is key to our style of winning the ball back in dangerous areas.
Yes, absolutely. You can still have a preference in the present though. I prefer apples to oranges. I make no value judgement on oranges or attempt to persuade others that apples are better than oranges. I don't think they are. I just prefer them.
Ps on another note oldest son, I did enjoy you getting told you could "bore for Britain" by a poster best described as the gasroom's David Icke on another thread.
Ooh perceptions and concepts. Now we really are getting abstract. Anyway, it's probably time we got back on topic. Have we signed Nathan Bishop yet? Oh sorry, wrong thread.
I know at least a dozen people behind their usernames, as I’m sure others do, so it’s not strictly true that “…no-one knows anyone from Adam…….”. And there are also many posters I feel I know as a result of years of communicating with them much more frequently than with friends and family! To someone of my age and circumstances the Gasroom is an absolute godsend.
I'm pleased to hear that the Gasroom is a Godsend for you, Micra. For me it's more of a diabolical affliction. But I have this habit of swimming against the tide.
Personally I would like to see every post on here (and frankly all social media) prefaced with "in my opinion". It would (sorry, "in my opinion", could) save a lot of wasted effort in replying to most posts
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Can you give an example of a statement that can't be labelled fact or opinion?
If I predict something, it surely comes under either.
I predict it'll be a lovely day tomorrow - opinion.
I predict there will be 24 hours tomorrow - fact.
Etc
@Malone What if the world ends tomorrow morning?
It won't.
(Opinion).
@ReturnToSenda no worries at all, and always keep posting on here and other mediums. From my side your opinions and thoughts on things always add to the conversation and I generally enjoy reading your contributions on the club and the wider game too. This place would not be the same without you (or @micra, @Shev, @ChasHarps @Malone @Right_in_the_Middle, @TheAndyGrahamFanClub etc)
It's interesting, @ReturnTiSenda, that you believe team/club quality is largely a matter of fact. I'd have said it was largely a matter of opinion - certainly with players at our level.
e.g. according to Sunderland fans Scowen has no quality, according to Wycombe fans he does.
Your prediction about tomorrow's weather is not an opinion as tomorrow is not yet a fact. Neither is it a fact that there will be twenty four hours tomorrow as there are no facts about the future.
I'd say the way fans perceive the quality is the opinion part, but this is starting to hurt my brain now 😂
Squad depth is an opinion, we all have different opinions about players ability, not just fans but different managers see value in using different players in different ways. Pace, experience and other attributes can be fact but over a period of time particularly a good player can drift and fringe ones can become regulars with experience and coaching. If people didn't speculate on players performances, suitability and potential we'd only have petty infighting and grammar to moan about. In my opinion.
Ha ha, yes. I think these are concepts that the average Gasroomer (very intelligent) can get their heads round and are worth thinking about to enhance the quality of debate. One that really trips people up is understanding the difference between an opinion and a preference. I'll try to leave it there but might feel compelled to reply if anyone takes issue with me.
A fact is something known or proven to be true. So a day having 24 hours is a fact, until proven otherwise.
Therefore it is indeed a fact to say a day has 24 hours and thus tomorrow will have 24 hours.
It only ceases to be a fact once that can be disproved.
My opinion on tomorrow being a nice day is exactly that - an opinion. As what constitutes a nice day? My own definition is what.
I can see both sides with this.
If everyone is the same level as last season, then it's impossible to say this squad is the same quality, as we've lost 2 quality starters and a very hard to replace Bayo.
However, it's fairly certain everyone won't be the same level as last season so therefore comes down to opinion.
You can only have an opinion on a fact. There are no facts about the future.
Is the major difference between opinion and preference not just that opinion relates to something that has happened / is happening, and preference concerns something yet to happen?
Thought Horgan was excellent yesterday btw. I’ve not always been his biggest fan and would still sometimes like to see Hanlan starting more games, which would drop Horgan to the bench, but yesterday he was at his best in terms of linking our forward play.
He also managed to win the ball back in the opposition half quite a few times, something which I’ve always felt was lacking from his game and is key to our style of winning the ball back in dangerous areas.
Yes, absolutely. You can still have a preference in the present though. I prefer apples to oranges. I make no value judgement on oranges or attempt to persuade others that apples are better than oranges. I don't think they are. I just prefer them.
My opinion that Mccarthy wasn't as good as he was first time round, what fact is that based on?
Surely there are no opinions on facts, because facts are...facts!
It will for some people (in their death)
Dark Fact.
The day still has 24 hours. It's just some people won't be around for all of them, but it doesn't change the fact.
Had to check what actual thread we're on here!
The sun will run out of fuel in something billion years time. That’s not a prediction but it is a fact about the future
i do think that is one of the few exceptions to that rule.
McCarthy is a fact.
He's saying it can't be proven as a fact until it's happened though.
Same with a day having 24 hours. Whereas I'd say its a fact until proven otherwise.
It's a fact that all days until now have had twenty four hours. It's not a fact that today will have; though I predict that it will.
Thoughts, perceptions and, of course, the occasional indisputable fact.
As long as it's not about the future 😉
Ps on another note oldest son, I did enjoy you getting told you could "bore for Britain" by a poster best described as the gasroom's David Icke on another thread.
Just 😃
Ooh perceptions and concepts. Now we really are getting abstract. Anyway, it's probably time we got back on topic. Have we signed Nathan Bishop yet? Oh sorry, wrong thread.
I know at least a dozen people behind their usernames, as I’m sure others do, so it’s not strictly true that “…no-one knows anyone from Adam…….”. And there are also many posters I feel I know as a result of years of communicating with them much more frequently than with friends and family! To someone of my age and circumstances the Gasroom is an absolute godsend.
I'm pleased to hear that the Gasroom is a Godsend for you, Micra. For me it's more of a diabolical affliction. But I have this habit of swimming against the tide.
What do people think of the ITV highlights show btw? Not a patch in Quest, for me - no Colin Murray, no party.
Personally I would like to see every post on here (and frankly all social media) prefaced with "in my opinion". It would (sorry, "in my opinion", could) save a lot of wasted effort in replying to most posts