Top of League One with a chance of promotion to a so-so Championship club is always a strange and risky move to me but I suppose we don't know the ins and outs. It will take a fantastic job offer for Gareth to leave us to start again I think.
@ReturnToSenda a question if I may. You are chairman of a club and your "footballing philosophy" is that you are a "passing" club. The manager you have jut fired played that way.
It is likely that the players in your squad are more suited to that style of play.
There are two managers available - one A plays quite a direct style the other B a more passing style. They are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
Notwithstanding that your opinion overall based on the two candidates record and passion and man-management skills as well as style is that even with the players currently in the squad, you believe manager A is more likely to bring your club success than manager B
Who do you appoint - "A" more likely in your opinion to win football matches or "B" more likely to fit in with your club's "footballing philosophy"?
@DevC said: @ReturnToSenda a question if I may. You are chairman of a club and your "footballing philosophy" is that you are a "passing" club. The manager you have jut fired played that way.
It is likely that the players in your squad are more suited to that style of play.
There are two managers available - one A plays quite a direct style the other B a more passing style. They are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
Notwithstanding that your opinion overall based on the two candidates record and passion and man-management skills as well as style is that even with the players currently in the squad, you believe manager A is more likely to bring your club success than manager B
Who do you appoint - "A" more likely in your opinion to win football matches or "B" more likely to fit in with your club's "footballing philosophy"?
It shouldn't be that black and white at a club doing things the right way; you should be able to appoint a coach who will 'fit' and win.
As the example stated to avoid the cop out of saying "find someone else" , the two managers A and B are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
Back to the point, Rowe has resigned from Plymouth who have appointed his deputy Stephen Schumacher as permanent boss. Presumably Lowe will be appointed at Preston imminently. Got to assume all this has been planned for a few days.
@DevC said:
As the example stated to avoid the cop out of saying "find someone else" , the two managers A and B are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
If I thought B was good enough to make the final two candidates, I'd probably think we had a good chance of winning under him - and if my players were better suited to his style of play, I'd go with him. I'm not sure how I'd come to the conclusion that a direct manager would get more out of players not comfortable with that style.
That's fine @ReturnToSenda. You would prioritise your "philosophy" over getting results. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I would choose results over philosophy. Perhaps we have different philosophies ourselves....
@ReturnToSenda said:
Why on earth would they go to Reading?!
Local for both Dobbo and Gaz - Championship club - bigger fan base - bigger stadium - good development structure from 7 year old upward.
Negative - they are in debt
However - Gaz and Dobbo might just fancy the challenge and May see the potential.
I think some of you are being a little unfair to Gareth Ainsworth, who has shown here that he's able and willing to adapt his style to get the most out of the players available.
His footballing philosophy is a bit different - it's about bringing in players with the right mentality, maybe something to prove, people who will work hard; and then building a strong team spirit and togetherness around them.
There's no reason he can't take over a squad known for fluid passing football and get more out of that style by marrying it up with his footballing philosophy.
@DevC said:
That's fine @ReturnToSenda. You would prioritise your "philosophy" over getting results. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I would choose results over philosophy. Perhaps we have different philosophies ourselves....
@ReturnToSenda said:
Why on earth would they go to Reading?!
Local for both Dobbo and Gaz - Championship club - bigger fan base - bigger stadium - good development structure from 7 year old upward.
Negative - they are in debt
However - Gaz and Dobbo might just fancy the challenge and May see the potential.
Their youth system is good, but it's a club with a bit of baggage and I think they'd want to steer well clear of that. I think we'll finish above Reading in the league within three years.
Except for the odd letter from Rob C telling him how to be good, Gareth has stability and job security and is enjoying relative success. If we go up I suspect he will stay for another Championship season. If we stay in League One he might be tempted but I think we're safe this term.
@DevC said:
That's fine @ReturnToSenda. You would prioritise your "philosophy" over getting results. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I would choose results over philosophy. Perhaps we have different philosophies ourselves....
I would be trying to strike a balance
Appoint manager A Monday to Wednesday and manager B Thursday to Sunday??
Plymouth have announced Schumacher in typically bitter Plymouth fashion - no separate tweet or article acknowledging Lowe's departure.
At the risk of feeling like I am digging too much at @ReturnToSenda , not sure that's fair. https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/club-statement-1>. The statement concisely explains why Lowe was allowed to leave, thanks him for his efforts but understandably focuses mainly on presenting the positives about the new appointment. Seems pretty fair to me.
Plymouth have announced Schumacher in typically bitter Plymouth fashion - no separate tweet or article acknowledging Lowe's departure.
At the risk of feeling like I am digging too much at @ReturnToSenda , not sure that's fair. https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/club-statement-1>. The statement concisely explains why Lowe was allowed to leave, thanks him for his efforts but understandably focuses mainly on presenting the positives about the new appointment. Seems pretty fair to me.
Hmm, I think I just see everything from their media team in the context of THAT tweet still (even though I'm not sure if the same person is still working at the club). Fair enough, I guess - although Lowe's certainly not a popular figure with the fans right now! 'Rat' and all the usual...
Is this your first one of these @ReturnToSenda ? , Dev appears to have the questions saved in a word doc so he can copy and paste them if a managers job comes up, you won't win, think he's got all the paths mapped out and won't necessarily be reading your answers before he replies with what you didn't say, fine if he enjoys that...
Of course it makes sense to plan, especially if you end up having to swap managers quickly it doesn't make sense to fling out all the players and staff start again even if you can afford to do so. See Ipswich.
But invariably if a manager or a string of them have failed there will be a conversation about approach. I mean, there should be one anyway if it's not just jobs for the boys, get an old player in, someone's mate etc like usual
@floyd said:
Surely Blackburn are the only club we need to worry about.
I presume you forgot about QPR?
QPR seem skint but stable at the moment, I'm sure he'd consider them, and their fans have largely come around to the fact they aren't top tier anymore. All could change though at the time of any vacancy.
Hard to imagine QPR job coming up for a while yet with them in playoffs.
I have long thought Bristol City would be a good opportunity for someone and just about reachable for both Gareth and Dobbo were it to come up but not convinced he would take it.
Personally I think though that Gareth will be here for quite a long time yet - (unless of course he has us in the Championship playoffs this time next season when perhaps a really big club may make him an offer he cant refuse).
A settled comfortable home life with kids in education and a job you like would seem to me to outweigh other considerations at this point in time. I suppose it makes an interesting matter for discussion but it comes along so regularly and the same points are made every time that it hardly seems worth the effort to set it going again.
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Top of League One with a chance of promotion to a so-so Championship club is always a strange and risky move to me but I suppose we don't know the ins and outs. It will take a fantastic job offer for Gareth to leave us to start again I think.
They're the Ryvita of football clubs
I've said it before, I think the 2 clubs he'd want to be allowed to talk to if they approached us, would be Blackburn and QPR
Maybe not even those (see clip I posted further up the thread)
@ReturnToSenda a question if I may. You are chairman of a club and your "footballing philosophy" is that you are a "passing" club. The manager you have jut fired played that way.
It is likely that the players in your squad are more suited to that style of play.
There are two managers available - one A plays quite a direct style the other B a more passing style. They are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
Notwithstanding that your opinion overall based on the two candidates record and passion and man-management skills as well as style is that even with the players currently in the squad, you believe manager A is more likely to bring your club success than manager B
Who do you appoint - "A" more likely in your opinion to win football matches or "B" more likely to fit in with your club's "footballing philosophy"?
It shouldn't be that black and white at a club doing things the right way; you should be able to appoint a coach who will 'fit' and win.
And clubs lower down the leagues are gradually coming around to that way of thinking.
With respect that answer is a cop out.
I stopped at "two managers available"
What about everyone else?
As the example stated to avoid the cop out of saying "find someone else" , the two managers A and B are in your judgement by far the best two candidates available.
Back to the point, Rowe has resigned from Plymouth who have appointed his deputy Stephen Schumacher as permanent boss. Presumably Lowe will be appointed at Preston imminently. Got to assume all this has been planned for a few days.
If I thought B was good enough to make the final two candidates, I'd probably think we had a good chance of winning under him - and if my players were better suited to his style of play, I'd go with him. I'm not sure how I'd come to the conclusion that a direct manager would get more out of players not comfortable with that style.
Plymouth have announced Schumacher in typically bitter Plymouth fashion - no separate tweet or article acknowledging Lowe's departure.
That's fine @ReturnToSenda. You would prioritise your "philosophy" over getting results. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I would choose results over philosophy. Perhaps we have different philosophies ourselves....
Any post longer than a paragraph is a trial for me.
Local for both Dobbo and Gaz - Championship club - bigger fan base - bigger stadium - good development structure from 7 year old upward.
Negative - they are in debt
However - Gaz and Dobbo might just fancy the challenge and May see the potential.
I think some of you are being a little unfair to Gareth Ainsworth, who has shown here that he's able and willing to adapt his style to get the most out of the players available.
His footballing philosophy is a bit different - it's about bringing in players with the right mentality, maybe something to prove, people who will work hard; and then building a strong team spirit and togetherness around them.
There's no reason he can't take over a squad known for fluid passing football and get more out of that style by marrying it up with his footballing philosophy.
I would be trying to strike a balance
Their youth system is good, but it's a club with a bit of baggage and I think they'd want to steer well clear of that. I think we'll finish above Reading in the league within three years.
Except for the odd letter from Rob C telling him how to be good, Gareth has stability and job security and is enjoying relative success. If we go up I suspect he will stay for another Championship season. If we stay in League One he might be tempted but I think we're safe this term.
Appoint manager A Monday to Wednesday and manager B Thursday to Sunday??
@ReturnToSenda said:
At the risk of feeling like I am digging too much at @ReturnToSenda , not sure that's fair.
https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/club-statement-1>. The statement concisely explains why Lowe was allowed to leave, thanks him for his efforts but understandably focuses mainly on presenting the positives about the new appointment. Seems pretty fair to me.
Surely Blackburn are the only club we need to worry about.
Hmm, I think I just see everything from their media team in the context of THAT tweet still (even though I'm not sure if the same person is still working at the club). Fair enough, I guess - although Lowe's certainly not a popular figure with the fans right now! 'Rat' and all the usual...
Is this your first one of these @ReturnToSenda ? , Dev appears to have the questions saved in a word doc so he can copy and paste them if a managers job comes up, you won't win, think he's got all the paths mapped out and won't necessarily be reading your answers before he replies with what you didn't say, fine if he enjoys that...
Of course it makes sense to plan, especially if you end up having to swap managers quickly it doesn't make sense to fling out all the players and staff start again even if you can afford to do so. See Ipswich.
But invariably if a manager or a string of them have failed there will be a conversation about approach. I mean, there should be one anyway if it's not just jobs for the boys, get an old player in, someone's mate etc like usual
I presume you forgot about QPR?
You did well, @eric_plant . The traditional "if I may" opener was enough for me.
QPR seem skint but stable at the moment, I'm sure he'd consider them, and their fans have largely come around to the fact they aren't top tier anymore. All could change though at the time of any vacancy.
Hard to imagine QPR job coming up for a while yet with them in playoffs.
I have long thought Bristol City would be a good opportunity for someone and just about reachable for both Gareth and Dobbo were it to come up but not convinced he would take it.
Personally I think though that Gareth will be here for quite a long time yet - (unless of course he has us in the Championship playoffs this time next season when perhaps a really big club may make him an offer he cant refuse).
A settled comfortable home life with kids in education and a job you like would seem to me to outweigh other considerations at this point in time. I suppose it makes an interesting matter for discussion but it comes along so regularly and the same points are made every time that it hardly seems worth the effort to set it going again.