Obviously your almost constant bleating on about the club’s financial position has finally got through to me !!! I will still enjoy this season but I am being realistic not incredibly pessimistic. It’s unbelievable that we got promoted but unfortunately we do not have enough Championship quality players to compete . I am not going to spend my time blaming referees for our failings.
We have competed well since the opening few games, every defeat has been by the narrowest of margins despite the absence of key players. We are currently one win away from potentially escaping from the bottom 3, and to finish 21st would be a great achievement for a club of our size. There are still 28 games left to play and I’m glad to say that the manager and players don’t share your defeatist attitude.
"We've reached the stage of the season where we know we need to win games. Drawing is all very well but in order not to fall too far behind the pack we need to go and win games."
That above quote is from Alan Parry, matchday summariser, Preston Vs Wycombe. I knew it would come in handy one day so I transcribed it, @glasshalffull
@aloysius - absolutely brilliant. Only last week @glasshalffull was lambasting posters for saying ‘ it’s a must win game ‘ and ‘ it’s a six pointer’ . Wonder how many times he’s said those in commentary !! Not very consistent our @glasshalffull .
@Commoner said:
Pattison & McCarthy at mistake for both goals.
1st goal Pattison mistake followed by the 2nd game in a row of McCarthy backing off and allowing a shot rather than closing down and trying to get a block in.
2nd goal McCarthy has to do better, definite free kick but with seconds to half time, get between the man and the ball and hopefully get a free kick. Instead he tries to clear but gives the striker a chance to get a toe in it first. Pattison then loses Kelly at the back post and Grimmer gets out jumped.
We more than matched them yesterday overall but goals win matches. Our issue is every time the oppo get a half chance they score, every time we do we fluff or lines. Whilst both are very difficult chances if we want to have any hope Horgan has to control the ball and score first half when the center back misses his header and Pattison has to get a shot away. We are conceding these types of chances but not putting them away.
Offside looks correct, Kashkets right foot appears to be beyond the defender. However, the linesman took so long to give it, surely the benefit of doubt should have stayed with us. I almost felt the ref gave the decision and the linesman then put his flag up.
I don't even remember Pattison's chance (or not, as it was). Fred's chance was THE chance.
Pretty clear @Commoner has found his fall guy. I saw a different set of circumstances completely.
Pattison looked along way of the pace but us that hardly surprising given his experience and recent game time. I felt for him yesterday and I'm sure he'd hold his hand up and learn from it.
Fred's chance was the chance wasn't it. I think we'd have won the game had it gone in. One down side of being at matches and in amongst different supporters to normal was the high number of Fred haters around where I was. He has the talent to succeed at this level so if confidence is the issue these people are not helping at all. Some of the abuse towards him yesterday frankly shocked me and some was even bordering on issues we don't need in our ground.
Abusing the players you are supposed to be supporting is bad enough, but if the abuse bordered on what I think you are suggesting that is very disturbing and should be investigated.
I did think (at one of the first games with fans back) that standing up and bellowing ‘get the league 2 players off Ainsworth’ as one chap did on the stroke of half-time, was a bit OTT but there are a lot of very angry people about these days.
@micra said:
And here’s me, @eric_plant, wondering when (if at all) to phone my Bournemouth supporting mate to make my excuses in advance or to wait until after the game in case your little dream comes true. Years ago he phoned me before our match there and, inter alia, he asked who he should look out for. Marcello Trotta was scoring goals for fun at the time so I mentioned him and another forward or midfield player. Can’t remember who. Might have been Stuart Beavon. Ainsworth even. Whatever happened to him?
The outcome was the usual routine Bournemouth victory, with Marcello barely getting a look in.
New Year’s Day 2012. And Marcello is still only 28. He scored 8 goals in the eight games he was on loan at Adams Park.
A reminder of Trotta's hat-trick against Exeter, @micra, looks like an assist by Blooms for the second. We could certainly do with a player confidently banging in goals like that.
Trotta is currently on loan at Famalicão in the Portuguese top tier. His contract with his parent club, Frosinone in Serie B, runs until June 2022.
(edits the post to add the link to the hat-trick!)
Throwback Thursday! Wonderful. Thanks @Steve_Peart. Interesting to see that the third goal wasn’t from quite as outrageously narrow an angle as it looked from Block Q in the Frank Adams stand. People around me we’re shouting “corner flag” when he got the ball but he was having none of it!
@Username said:
Our lack of goal threat is clearly the main reason we're not winning games, but Coventry being given a free kick for no reason that led directly to a goal didn't help
Presume you're not talking about the second goal where McCarthy utterly thwacked their guy to the floor? Amazingly escaping a booking.
@davecz said: @Glenactico - unfortunately I think you are being incredibly optimistic if you think we can end up 21st. How we are performing is a reflection of our financial position. We clearly have not got enough Championship quality.
I think you are being incredibly pessimistic when there are 28 games left to play and I thought we weren’t allowed to mention our financial constraints.
Obviously your almost constant bleating on about the club’s financial position has finally got through to me !!! I will still enjoy this season but I am being realistic not incredibly pessimistic. It’s unbelievable that we got promoted but unfortunately we do not have enough Championship quality players to compete . I am not going to spend my time blaming referees for our failings
If you are enjoying the season but realistically don't think we can compete why keep moaning about us realistically not being able to compete after every game?
Yep.
At least change it up a bit.
I've gone from the "we're gonna get record lows in wins points and goals" to ticking people off to writing us off the second they saw the Bloomison combo in midfield pre game.
@Commoner said:
Pattison & McCarthy at mistake for both goals.
1st goal Pattison mistake followed by the 2nd game in a row of McCarthy backing off and allowing a shot rather than closing down and trying to get a block in.
2nd goal McCarthy has to do better, definite free kick but with seconds to half time, get between the man and the ball and hopefully get a free kick. Instead he tries to clear but gives the striker a chance to get a toe in it first. Pattison then loses Kelly at the back post and Grimmer gets out jumped.
We more than matched them yesterday overall but goals win matches. Our issue is every time the oppo get a half chance they score, every time we do we fluff or lines. Whilst both are very difficult chances if we want to have any hope Horgan has to control the ball and score first half when the center back misses his header and Pattison has to get a shot away. We are conceding these types of chances but not putting them away.
Offside looks correct, Kashkets right foot appears to be beyond the defender. However, the linesman took so long to give it, surely the benefit of doubt should have stayed with us. I almost felt the ref gave the decision and the linesman then put his flag up.
I don't even remember Pattison's chance (or not, as it was). Fred's chance was THE chance.
If Pattison had managed to free the ball from his feet he would have had a clear shot on goal from 15/20 yards out, on an angle, having been played in behind the right side of Coventrys defence. It was a clear opportunity.
If you’ve forgotten the passage of play, why the (or not, as it was)?
I’d agree Fred’s was our best chance but why the need for the capitals.
@Commoner said:
Pattison & McCarthy at mistake for both goals.
1st goal Pattison mistake followed by the 2nd game in a row of McCarthy backing off and allowing a shot rather than closing down and trying to get a block in.
2nd goal McCarthy has to do better, definite free kick but with seconds to half time, get between the man and the ball and hopefully get a free kick. Instead he tries to clear but gives the striker a chance to get a toe in it first. Pattison then loses Kelly at the back post and Grimmer gets out jumped.
We more than matched them yesterday overall but goals win matches. Our issue is every time the oppo get a half chance they score, every time we do we fluff or lines. Whilst both are very difficult chances if we want to have any hope Horgan has to control the ball and score first half when the center back misses his header and Pattison has to get a shot away. We are conceding these types of chances but not putting them away.
Offside looks correct, Kashkets right foot appears to be beyond the defender. However, the linesman took so long to give it, surely the benefit of doubt should have stayed with us. I almost felt the ref gave the decision and the linesman then put his flag up.
I don't even remember Pattison's chance (or not, as it was). Fred's chance was THE chance.
I’d agree Fred’s was our best chance but why the need for the capitals.
Cause technically it's not a chance if you don't get a shot off. And no, I don't remember the Pattison near-chance, but someone has explained it above.
@Right_in_the_Middle said:
Pretty clear @Commoner has found his fall guy. I saw a different set of circumstances completely.
I’m not looking for a fall guy, I’m frustrated that every mistake we made seems to lead to a goal. Regardless of who makes the mistake in the team. Wouldn’t you say that’s been the story of our season so far?
Everyone makes mistakes and it’s how they learn, Pattison will learn and comeback better and stronger. McCarthy will hopefully not stand off as much in future games. I like both players and hope they can cut out the mistakes. Would be nice not to get punished each time.
Perhaps you’d like to share how you saw it? I’m not sure how the circumstances were completely different?
Fred's chance was the chance wasn't it.
Agreed, if he puts that away we may well have gone onto win and maybe I should have added that in. I left it out as it was such a great chance. The point I was trying to make about Horgan and Pattison was that the opposition have generally managed to turn half chances into goals, whereas we don’t seem to be able to. Fred’s was not a half chance.
Hopefully @chairboyscentral noticed how he did that through the middle again! He does seem to have a knack of making things happen centrally and much more so than when he’s out wide.
@Commoner He does make things happen when he drifts centrally, as I've acknowledged before, but I wouldn't play him there outright. I'd rather have him wide because he's a good ball carrier with good defensive attributes, which we need in whoever's in front of JJ. He'll find more space out wide as well, conducive to the dangerous bursts of pace he can produce (although we've not seen nearly enough of them this season).
@chairboyscentral said:
It was a minority, so I assumed it was aimed at the players.
I thought people were booing the ref at full time not our players. Maybe booing Coventry and their dark arts too?
I was talking about half-time. Assumed it was aimed at the players as I'm not sure the ref did much wrong in the first half and it sounded like only a very small number of people booing.
The Sunderland shirt is blue, but that's still not particularly easy on the eye. I thought the same with QPR wearing their home shirt away to Millwall - which means they might wear it against us.
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@aloysius - absolutely brilliant. Only last week @glasshalffull was lambasting posters for saying ‘ it’s a must win game ‘ and ‘ it’s a six pointer’ . Wonder how many times he’s said those in commentary !! Not very consistent our @glasshalffull .
I don't even remember Pattison's chance (or not, as it was). Fred's chance was THE chance.
Pretty clear @Commoner has found his fall guy. I saw a different set of circumstances completely.
Pattison looked along way of the pace but us that hardly surprising given his experience and recent game time. I felt for him yesterday and I'm sure he'd hold his hand up and learn from it.
Fred's chance was the chance wasn't it. I think we'd have won the game had it gone in. One down side of being at matches and in amongst different supporters to normal was the high number of Fred haters around where I was. He has the talent to succeed at this level so if confidence is the issue these people are not helping at all. Some of the abuse towards him yesterday frankly shocked me and some was even bordering on issues we don't need in our ground.
I did think (at one of the first games with fans back) that standing up and bellowing ‘get the league 2 players off Ainsworth’ as one chap did on the stroke of half-time, was a bit OTT but there are a lot of very angry people about these days.
Perhaps it was a Gasroom regular? Any takers?
The booing off at half-time yesterday was absolutely pathetic.
A reminder of Trotta's hat-trick against Exeter, @micra, looks like an assist by Blooms for the second. We could certainly do with a player confidently banging in goals like that.
Trotta is currently on loan at Famalicão in the Portuguese top tier. His contract with his parent club, Frosinone in Serie B, runs until June 2022.
(edits the post to add the link to the hat-trick!)
https://www.facebook.com/wwfcofficial/videos/10153979193899165/?sfnsn=scwspmo
At the time I thought it was directed at the referee but if you are right I fully agree with you.
It was a minority, so I assumed it was aimed at the players.
Throwback Thursday! Wonderful. Thanks @Steve_Peart. Interesting to see that the third goal wasn’t from quite as outrageously narrow an angle as it looked from Block Q in the Frank Adams stand. People around me we’re shouting “corner flag” when he got the ball but he was having none of it!
Presume you're not talking about the second goal where McCarthy utterly thwacked their guy to the floor? Amazingly escaping a booking.
Yep.
At least change it up a bit.
I've gone from the "we're gonna get record lows in wins points and goals" to ticking people off to writing us off the second they saw the Bloomison combo in midfield pre game.
The booing at half-time was definitely directed at the referee
I thought it was directed at the ref at the time but we had just let in a fairly soft second goal
If Pattison had managed to free the ball from his feet he would have had a clear shot on goal from 15/20 yards out, on an angle, having been played in behind the right side of Coventrys defence. It was a clear opportunity.
If you’ve forgotten the passage of play, why the (or not, as it was)?
I’d agree Fred’s was our best chance but why the need for the capitals.
Cause technically it's not a chance if you don't get a shot off. And no, I don't remember the Pattison near-chance, but someone has explained it above.
Pretty sure if you pass the ball to me unmarked, a metre out from goal with no 'keeper there, that it's a chance whether I shoot or not.
Fair point, it just won't be recorded as one.
I’m not looking for a fall guy, I’m frustrated that every mistake we made seems to lead to a goal. Regardless of who makes the mistake in the team. Wouldn’t you say that’s been the story of our season so far?
Everyone makes mistakes and it’s how they learn, Pattison will learn and comeback better and stronger. McCarthy will hopefully not stand off as much in future games. I like both players and hope they can cut out the mistakes. Would be nice not to get punished each time.
Perhaps you’d like to share how you saw it? I’m not sure how the circumstances were completely different?
Agreed, if he puts that away we may well have gone onto win and maybe I should have added that in. I left it out as it was such a great chance. The point I was trying to make about Horgan and Pattison was that the opposition have generally managed to turn half chances into goals, whereas we don’t seem to be able to. Fred’s was not a half chance.
Hopefully @chairboyscentral noticed how he did that through the middle again! He does seem to have a knack of making things happen centrally and much more so than when he’s out wide.
@Commoner He does make things happen when he drifts centrally, as I've acknowledged before, but I wouldn't play him there outright. I'd rather have him wide because he's a good ball carrier with good defensive attributes, which we need in whoever's in front of JJ. He'll find more space out wide as well, conducive to the dangerous bursts of pace he can produce (although we've not seen nearly enough of them this season).
I thought people were booing the ref at full time not our players. Maybe booing Coventry and their dark arts too?
I was talking about half-time. Assumed it was aimed at the players as I'm not sure the ref did much wrong in the first half and it sounded like only a very small number of people booing.
It was 100% the referee
Lots of people around me had been shouting at the ref just as he blew the whistle for half time so started booing
The two crowds so far have actually been very supportive of the team and it's been good to see
Fair enough, sadly it just wouldn't have surprised me if some of our lot saw fit to boo the players off.
Aaaaah ... I'm confused. I thought they were booing some Marxism at half-time. It's hard to keep up.
Find that quite a surprising comment. Always found Wycombe fans very supportive of their own players generally
It's happened before, although this group of players could never be accused of not giving their absolute all.
In fact, the players were booed off at half-time against Coventry last season. Never sits right with me.
Totally unconnected but can’t find any other thread handy and it doesn’t merit a new one...
Did anyone see highlights of the Lincoln vs Sunderland game yesterday? The clash of colours on the TV looked nightmarish.
Basically Lincoln in Red Shirts/Black Shorts and Sunderland in Black Shirts/Red Shorts. Really odd but I’m sure perfectly allowable
The Sunderland shirt is blue, but that's still not particularly easy on the eye. I thought the same with QPR wearing their home shirt away to Millwall - which means they might wear it against us.