The bookies will be simply 'going' on the bets being placed. If I went a put £1m on Steve Gritt to be new Blackburn manager, he'd be odds on immediately despite having no hope of getting the job.
Gareth had already been caretaker manager at QPR , before joining us.
Hayes and Blomfield have no management experience , and would be disastrous appointments.
Two brief stints as QPR caretaker manager in '08 and '09 still made him a novice, in management terms, when he took over with us in 2012. If we do lose him then I'm not sure we are all that likely to have a long queue of "experienced" managers champing at the bit to take over. Seems to me that, if the worst were to happen, we may well have to take a chance on another novice.
@lordmelchester "He has the passion and desire to succeed and deserves to be our manager."
Passion and desire are not the requisite qualities. Everyone on this board is passionate about Wycombe and would love and desire to be their manager, but everyone on here would be utterly shocking in the role.
I have never really understood the ex-player/boyhood fan argument in appointing a manager.
I think GA is a very good manager for whom the time is possibly right to move up the ladder. If he goes I wish him well and suspect he has a good chance of succeeding wherever he goes. I don't really see though why he would be a better manager for Blackburn just because he supported them as a kid than another candidate with the same playing and managerial experience and attributes who is currently not entirely sure where Blackburn is.
Same goes for keith Scott. Ok I suspect he now wouldn't be a serious candidate, but hypothetically I see no reason why he would be a better Wycombe manager than some other bloke with the same personal attributes who played at a decent level twenty years ago and hasn't done much since but didn't happen to have played for Wycombe.
Dev, none of what you say there surprises me in the slightest. You have never really had a handle on the intangible parts of being a football fan, the subtle nuances that can't be explained away like an accountant going through books, the romance if you like
I'm not talking about being a fan. I am talking about appointing a manager. For me that should be the best man for the job based on his managerial skills, experience and attributes.
There is no reason for example why Kevin Keen would be a better manager of Wycombe just because he played a handful of games 30 years ago and because his did happened to manage the club. Kevin Keen would be exactly the same individual with exactly the same ability to manage Wycombe if his dad had managed Slough and he himself had played there a couple of games before starting his professional career.
Have to agree with DevC on this one. As much as I loved Keith Scott as a player with the club I can't see what makes him qualified to be our manager ahead of a ton of other people. If you want a former Wycombe forward with managerial experience, Mark West would be more qualified in that he has been a manager for far longer than Scott.
@eric_plant Seems your response to Dev admits "I'm following my heart in place of my head".
Doesn't seem to be the most sensible idea when appointing a manager of a professional football club, where a bad season ending in relegation could see us disappear entirely.
An awful lot of supposition here with GA having not actually or indicated he's off, which I hope he's not for him and us as I don't think either of us are ready for that. Just to play the game though I loved watching Scotty play but without rose tinted fan goggles he's not the man for the job (great players do not great managers make - see Tony Adams) and if looking for an ex-player still connected to the club to manage I agree with Kadoogan and others that Mark West would be a better punt or of course Rhino and/or Brownie or how about lets bring the Guppy back from the U.S. if he's fed up of sun and glory
If you believe bookie odds mean anything, Rob Page, currently Port Vale manager, is currently close second favourite for Northampton. In which case Port Vale would come up and on the basis that only ex-players can be appointed.......
I could be wrong, but if Blackburn want to promoted, there are far better prospects knocking about. GA got the job, because he was put in the hot-seat and made a decent fist of it having taken over from GW and keeping us up...I would hope (should he actually go) that the club would want someone who knows League Two and League One and will have an idea how to get promoted. Was not here to see Keith Scott play, but a non-league manager with no experience? I'm not so sure.
@DevC said:
I have never really understood the ex-player/boyhood fan argument in appointing a manager.
I agree with the part of your argument that having played for/supported the club before makes no difference to manage the football team aspect of the job.
However BEING the manager of a football club is a little more than that. Not something tangible that you can easily tick off during an interview but more a feel for the club that can transmit itself to the press and more importantly the fans.
It doesn't really make any difference to how well you will manage but for the chairman it can be an easier sell.
So. If Gareth was to go, looking at the range of totally unqualified candidates, Bloomfield would probably start with the longest honeymoon period, followed by Hayes, then Scott/Westy/Ryan/Brownie and then Keen. Purely on a fans memory basis.
But none of that suggests that be any good at the job.
Kevin Keen? Mission accomplished at Colchester. Good contacts in the game. Heritage. Talented coach who can improve young players. Available. And not a c$$t like at least one that has been mentioned above.
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He has the passion and desire to succeed and deserves to be our manager.
I would rather have Keith Scott in charge than a novice Paul Hayes.
Gareth was a "novice" when he took over. Was that insane?
The bookies will be simply 'going' on the bets being placed. If I went a put £1m on Steve Gritt to be new Blackburn manager, he'd be odds on immediately despite having no hope of getting the job.
It's going to be a long summer on here isn't it?
Gareth had already been caretaker manager at QPR , before joining us.
Hayes and Blomfield have no management experience , and would be disastrous appointments.
Two brief stints as QPR caretaker manager in '08 and '09 still made him a novice, in management terms, when he took over with us in 2012. If we do lose him then I'm not sure we are all that likely to have a long queue of "experienced" managers champing at the bit to take over. Seems to me that, if the worst were to happen, we may well have to take a chance on another novice.
Anyway - let's hope it does not prove necessary.
@Malone Why do you say I may be surprised? What do you know?
@arnos_grove Grit won't be favourite after I've stuck £2m on John Sitton!
One of you must be putting money on Gareth as he is now 4/5 at skybet
If he does go to Blackburn, I wonder if Pierre would follow.
@lordmelchester "He has the passion and desire to succeed and deserves to be our manager."
Passion and desire are not the requisite qualities. Everyone on this board is passionate about Wycombe and would love and desire to be their manager, but everyone on here would be utterly shocking in the role.
Lights blue touch paper and retires to a safe distance... ;-)
Another link...
http://the72.co.uk/54463/league-two-boss-on-blackburn-manager-shortlist/
I have never really understood the ex-player/boyhood fan argument in appointing a manager.
I think GA is a very good manager for whom the time is possibly right to move up the ladder. If he goes I wish him well and suspect he has a good chance of succeeding wherever he goes. I don't really see though why he would be a better manager for Blackburn just because he supported them as a kid than another candidate with the same playing and managerial experience and attributes who is currently not entirely sure where Blackburn is.
Same goes for keith Scott. Ok I suspect he now wouldn't be a serious candidate, but hypothetically I see no reason why he would be a better Wycombe manager than some other bloke with the same personal attributes who played at a decent level twenty years ago and hasn't done much since but didn't happen to have played for Wycombe.
Dev, none of what you say there surprises me in the slightest. You have never really had a handle on the intangible parts of being a football fan, the subtle nuances that can't be explained away like an accountant going through books, the romance if you like
Needless to say I completely disagree.
I'm not talking about being a fan. I am talking about appointing a manager. For me that should be the best man for the job based on his managerial skills, experience and attributes.
There is no reason for example why Kevin Keen would be a better manager of Wycombe just because he played a handful of games 30 years ago and because his did happened to manage the club. Kevin Keen would be exactly the same individual with exactly the same ability to manage Wycombe if his dad had managed Slough and he himself had played there a couple of games before starting his professional career.
Have to agree with DevC on this one. As much as I loved Keith Scott as a player with the club I can't see what makes him qualified to be our manager ahead of a ton of other people. If you want a former Wycombe forward with managerial experience, Mark West would be more qualified in that he has been a manager for far longer than Scott.
@eric_plant Seems your response to Dev admits "I'm following my heart in place of my head".
Doesn't seem to be the most sensible idea when appointing a manager of a professional football club, where a bad season ending in relegation could see us disappear entirely.
You should only be able to manage clubs you've played for.
Why?
"I'm not talking about being a fan"
a perfect self assessment
An awful lot of supposition here with GA having not actually or indicated he's off, which I hope he's not for him and us as I don't think either of us are ready for that. Just to play the game though I loved watching Scotty play but without rose tinted fan goggles he's not the man for the job (great players do not great managers make - see Tony Adams) and if looking for an ex-player still connected to the club to manage I agree with Kadoogan and others that Mark West would be a better punt or of course Rhino and/or Brownie or how about lets bring the Guppy back from the U.S. if he's fed up of sun and glory
Just to add to the hysteria.....
If you believe bookie odds mean anything, Rob Page, currently Port Vale manager, is currently close second favourite for Northampton. In which case Port Vale would come up and on the basis that only ex-players can be appointed.......
spin that wheel
I could be wrong, but if Blackburn want to promoted, there are far better prospects knocking about. GA got the job, because he was put in the hot-seat and made a decent fist of it having taken over from GW and keeping us up...I would hope (should he actually go) that the club would want someone who knows League Two and League One and will have an idea how to get promoted. Was not here to see Keith Scott play, but a non-league manager with no experience? I'm not so sure.
We can rest easy now, Neil Warnock is evens favourite.
I agree with the part of your argument that having played for/supported the club before makes no difference to manage the football team aspect of the job.
However BEING the manager of a football club is a little more than that. Not something tangible that you can easily tick off during an interview but more a feel for the club that can transmit itself to the press and more importantly the fans.
It doesn't really make any difference to how well you will manage but for the chairman it can be an easier sell.
So. If Gareth was to go, looking at the range of totally unqualified candidates, Bloomfield would probably start with the longest honeymoon period, followed by Hayes, then Scott/Westy/Ryan/Brownie and then Keen. Purely on a fans memory basis.
But none of that suggests that be any good at the job.
And it's going to be a long, long summer....
Not sure anybody would be particularly behind Bloomfield as manager so I doubt he would have any honeymoon period at all!
Can see Blooms dropping into non-league as a player for one season then becoming a manager and getting some experience before returning to us.
I can definitely see him ending his career at Wycombe and becoming a coach here. Just don't see him as manager material yet.
Kevin Keen? Mission accomplished at Colchester. Good contacts in the game. Heritage. Talented coach who can improve young players. Available. And not a c$$t like at least one that has been mentioned above.