Dont mention 442 or width, hoofing or anything else. I tried this after saturday @right in the middle simppy said shut up we overachieved last year. Why no width against newport at home??? The wood in cm?
I don't thinks it's crazy , maybe a little early to truly worry but assuming it is not a possibility is what is a little crazy . My worry is this is not that new . We have certainly rid our luck on many of those first 10 games and this one dimensional football was very apparent then but we somehow got away with it . Something does need to change .If we lose again against Carlisle that will be 4 losses on the spin and that can have psycological effects on both the team and fans and become a rut which is very hard to get out of
2 very poor teams tonight, neither really deserved to win, but Newport got the breaks. Personally I thought we played better than the last time I saw us, when we played Northampton. We certainly kept the ball on the floor much more, but there was absolutely zero quality, bar the odd glimpse from AAH.
I'm not sure what the 433 achieves. Fine if the service is good, but at the moment, the forwards are feeding of scraps. We need to start taking control of games in midfield and for that we need an extra man in there, rather than the 3 at present.
On a positive note, good to see Hayes back, once he's got a game or 2 under his belt, I'm sure he'll be able to provide some of the quality we're missing.
A pitiful outing in this horrible 4-3-3 line up with the limp Kretzchmar, out of sorts O'Nien and toblerone booted Dozy Ugwu labouring up front. No width and strangely no passion for an Ainsworth team. Hard to believe that McGinn can't get a starting spot in front of Max - he tried to play football when he came on. Wood looks completely shot of fitness and Thompson tired. In short very few were up for it - Bean probably the best of the bunch until his OG. The Pierre decision is a strange one and I wonder if that had a negative impact. Creative loan signings are desperately required.
Ok, I think I'm ready to admit that Ugwu really doesn't offer a whole lot.
Also, Wood at CM???
Why was Ingram wearing such an unusual combination?
The key is this silly 433. The crowd are starting to get on players' backs, but when Bean receives the ball, he rarely has an option other than sideways or backwards as the fourth midfielder is 'missing'.
Squad morale looks to be sinking too.
Although Sellers looks decent, he is definitely not the miracle we are looking for. Many seem to be suggesting that when he gets a start we'll seal the title by Christmas. In reality it's more a case of him being a keen, hungry young player who will give 110% for the cause. The same could have been said about Junior Morias, it doesn't mean that he would win us games if we persist with this dire formation.
Bean is getting alot of unfair stick at the games... Yes he makes mistakes but at least he is there and flying around the pitch. Too many passengers over the last few games. Dozie is the worst
At half time, I would have put Bean at RB and brought Sellers on for Ugwu. Would have been a back four of Bean McCarthey Sido JJ and then a midfield four of Harriman O Nein Max Sellers. Not because of Bean's performance, but just to get Harriman forward.
Ingram
Jacobson
Pierre
McCarthy
Jombati
Wood
Bean
O'Nien
Harriman
two from Holloway, Hayes, Thompson
No diamonds, no Christmas trees, just a 442, allowing us to pass through the middle and out wide, without exposing ourselves by sending JJ and Sido bombing forward at every opportunity.
442 suits the players we have and will make us less predictable...we currently look lost and unable to break teams down. Leaving Harriman at rb today was awful.
kretch has no bottle in the tackle, he and Bloomers im afraid display the weakness we have in midfield. Neither inspire me with any confidence. What Ugwe offers only Gaz knows.
I am sorry Quarterman but talk of relegation is NOT crazy. If we cannot do better than that then we are in big trouble - early season or not. We got a few results earlier on, despite playing poorly, because the defence was sound. Now it is creaking and we don't look like scoring if we played all night. Needs sorting fast.
@AlgernonFudgebucket - well lets agree to disagree then, I do not think we will be anywhere near the relegation places with the squad we have. IF (and it's a massive if at the moment) we get everyone fit and playing regularly, I still plump for between 5th and 8th, depending on loan signings. If we continue to pick up these injuries on a regular basis, we may be midtable at worst. Which I think would still be a decent return, especially as it seems almost as if we may have a smaller playing budget than last year even (this is just my pure conjecture, but just a feeling).
@Quarterman talk of injuries and budgets are folly, the basic formation abd tactics are beating us. We had the players to beat both stevenage and newport but the deployment abd tactics mean that we show little ambition and get hit. If we were still playing we would not score. Its not bad luck its basics
And as much as we must respect gaz for last season? His stubborness in continuing with dozie is becoming embarassing now when we have players sat on the bench....is it any wonder Banton was unhappy??? Not that he was correct to say so
This will annoy some people but i have to get it off my chest...
Thompson is by far the best striker of the ball we have but he is wasted in this side as all he gets are long balls that either run through to the goal keeper or run out of play. He can be best utilised by playing in the centre and that only really works if you play an attacking 4 4 2 formation with width ie Harriman and Sellers/Wood on the wings. 443 formations only work if the football being played is narrow, compact, on the surface and if the team is strong in creativity, Wycombe are definitely not that!
Ugwu is a very poor player and whilst he runs around a lot his touch is terrible and Holloway looks like he can't be arsed most of the time, granted he has laid off some nice passes occasionally during matches but he is hardly the goal scoring product we have been promised.
If Gareth insists on punishing Pierre for turning up late then start with Rowe at the back with McCarthy and allow Harriman to push up on the wings. This was a great opportunity for us last night to really use an attacking formation and get at a team that is in a very poor run of form and get a big win to lift the players morale. Gareth has missed that opportunity now and i suspect we could be in for quite a hammering on Saturday against a very goal happy Carlisle side.
It's almost like he has learnt nothing from Saturday's match against Stevenage. We were dire for 70 minutes and then looked amazing as we went to an attacking 442 with width.
People will say that Gaz knows what he is doing and that this is only year two of a five year plan blah blah blah but this form we are in and the style of football is horrendous at present and it needs addressing. Before we hit this slump i often felt that we won games but was never really sure how we won them. Barnet is an example. Terrible for most of the match and then a goal from Thompson from nothing changed the game, if anything we have been riding our luck and i suspect most teams have sussed out Gaz now. I haven't seen long ball football played as much as we play currently since the days of Alan Smith.
The BBC has Wycombe down in their football fan guide as costing the average Wycombe fan £8.06 per goal scored, I bet that amount has gone up considerably since then.
Harriman, Mawson, Saunders, yannaris all play at a higher level. Reality is we are league 2. We do have some decent payers but the way we are playing and the hoofing is not bringing the best out of them. If I were training them today I would play a game of who can creep it on the floor the longest and pass to our strikers. And a 3-3-4 is pointless.
Maybe it was just me, but I didn't think there was anywhere near as much hoofball last night as we've seen in recent matches. I thought for the most part we kept the ball on the deck, the problem was a complete lack of any creativity and we made a hash of the few chances we did create.
@MBS said:
We were beaten by a dire team tonight heading towards relegation....just what does that say about us!!!!!
Well last season we lost at home to Tranmere, so what did that say about us? We have one good season and everyone forgets how bad we were before. Last night was poor but at least we tried to pass to one another. It wasn't hoofball and it was better than a lot of our performances in 2013/14.
Fedup1980 you have brought sanity back to this site. Sometimes when I read some of the comments on here I feel I have been watching a different game. Thank you for restoring my faith in supporters ability to give a truthful assessment.
I could almost cope with hoofball if we had strikers who could provide aerial threat. As it is we have 2 dopey six footers who made the clueless Donacien look like Mats Hummels
Last two games against two awful team...we play awful against one and theb set up the same for the next game? Doing thr same thing over and over when it doesnt work is insanity. As soon as i saw the teamsheet i knew we would lose. No width, no clue!
Three strikers will never work as it results in the midfielders being outnumbered. We urgently need a proper wide player and probably not Wood as he was awful earlier in the season.
I think we actually have the players to finish in the top half provided that we getbthe wide man in or failing that use Harriman there. My team would be
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No. Total Rubbish and bloody cold as well...
Really. We have now lost four on the bounce and look a very poor outfit. we just lost to bottom of the league at home.
Dont mention 442 or width, hoofing or anything else. I tried this after saturday @right in the middle simppy said shut up we overachieved last year. Why no width against newport at home??? The wood in cm?
I don't thinks it's crazy , maybe a little early to truly worry but assuming it is not a possibility is what is a little crazy . My worry is this is not that new . We have certainly rid our luck on many of those first 10 games and this one dimensional football was very apparent then but we somehow got away with it . Something does need to change .If we lose again against Carlisle that will be 4 losses on the spin and that can have psycological effects on both the team and fans and become a rut which is very hard to get out of
2 very poor teams tonight, neither really deserved to win, but Newport got the breaks. Personally I thought we played better than the last time I saw us, when we played Northampton. We certainly kept the ball on the floor much more, but there was absolutely zero quality, bar the odd glimpse from AAH.
I'm not sure what the 433 achieves. Fine if the service is good, but at the moment, the forwards are feeding of scraps. We need to start taking control of games in midfield and for that we need an extra man in there, rather than the 3 at present.
On a positive note, good to see Hayes back, once he's got a game or 2 under his belt, I'm sure he'll be able to provide some of the quality we're missing.
Get sellars on and harriman up the park. Drop dozie and thompson.
Ingram
Jombati
Jacobson
Pierre
Mccarthy
Sellars
Harriman
Onien
Bean
Hayes
Wood
A pitiful outing in this horrible 4-3-3 line up with the limp Kretzchmar, out of sorts O'Nien and toblerone booted Dozy Ugwu labouring up front. No width and strangely no passion for an Ainsworth team. Hard to believe that McGinn can't get a starting spot in front of Max - he tried to play football when he came on. Wood looks completely shot of fitness and Thompson tired. In short very few were up for it - Bean probably the best of the bunch until his OG. The Pierre decision is a strange one and I wonder if that had a negative impact. Creative loan signings are desperately required.
Ok, I think I'm ready to admit that Ugwu really doesn't offer a whole lot.
Also, Wood at CM???
Why was Ingram wearing such an unusual combination?
The key is this silly 433. The crowd are starting to get on players' backs, but when Bean receives the ball, he rarely has an option other than sideways or backwards as the fourth midfielder is 'missing'.
Squad morale looks to be sinking too.
Although Sellers looks decent, he is definitely not the miracle we are looking for. Many seem to be suggesting that when he gets a start we'll seal the title by Christmas. In reality it's more a case of him being a keen, hungry young player who will give 110% for the cause. The same could have been said about Junior Morias, it doesn't mean that he would win us games if we persist with this dire formation.
Holloway looked a TINY bit more promising tonight.
Bean is getting alot of unfair stick at the games... Yes he makes mistakes but at least he is there and flying around the pitch. Too many passengers over the last few games. Dozie is the worst
At half time, I would have put Bean at RB and brought Sellers on for Ugwu. Would have been a back four of Bean McCarthey Sido JJ and then a midfield four of Harriman O Nein Max Sellers. Not because of Bean's performance, but just to get Harriman forward.
Ingram
Jacobson
Pierre
McCarthy
Jombati
Wood
Bean
O'Nien
Harriman
two from Holloway, Hayes, Thompson
No diamonds, no Christmas trees, just a 442, allowing us to pass through the middle and out wide, without exposing ourselves by sending JJ and Sido bombing forward at every opportunity.
@AttitudeEra - perfect
442 suits the players we have and will make us less predictable...we currently look lost and unable to break teams down. Leaving Harriman at rb today was awful.
Johnthehair - at least Ivor's back, even if has meant a downturn in form!
kretch has no bottle in the tackle, he and Bloomers im afraid display the weakness we have in midfield. Neither inspire me with any confidence. What Ugwe offers only Gaz knows.
I am sorry Quarterman but talk of relegation is NOT crazy. If we cannot do better than that then we are in big trouble - early season or not. We got a few results earlier on, despite playing poorly, because the defence was sound. Now it is creaking and we don't look like scoring if we played all night. Needs sorting fast.
@AlgernonFudgebucket - well lets agree to disagree then, I do not think we will be anywhere near the relegation places with the squad we have. IF (and it's a massive if at the moment) we get everyone fit and playing regularly, I still plump for between 5th and 8th, depending on loan signings. If we continue to pick up these injuries on a regular basis, we may be midtable at worst. Which I think would still be a decent return, especially as it seems almost as if we may have a smaller playing budget than last year even (this is just my pure conjecture, but just a feeling).
We were beaten by a dire team tonight heading towards relegation....just what does that say about us!!!!!
@Quarterman talk of injuries and budgets are folly, the basic formation abd tactics are beating us. We had the players to beat both stevenage and newport but the deployment abd tactics mean that we show little ambition and get hit. If we were still playing we would not score. Its not bad luck its basics
And as much as we must respect gaz for last season? His stubborness in continuing with dozie is becoming embarassing now when we have players sat on the bench....is it any wonder Banton was unhappy??? Not that he was correct to say so
This will annoy some people but i have to get it off my chest...
Thompson is by far the best striker of the ball we have but he is wasted in this side as all he gets are long balls that either run through to the goal keeper or run out of play. He can be best utilised by playing in the centre and that only really works if you play an attacking 4 4 2 formation with width ie Harriman and Sellers/Wood on the wings. 443 formations only work if the football being played is narrow, compact, on the surface and if the team is strong in creativity, Wycombe are definitely not that!
Ugwu is a very poor player and whilst he runs around a lot his touch is terrible and Holloway looks like he can't be arsed most of the time, granted he has laid off some nice passes occasionally during matches but he is hardly the goal scoring product we have been promised.
If Gareth insists on punishing Pierre for turning up late then start with Rowe at the back with McCarthy and allow Harriman to push up on the wings. This was a great opportunity for us last night to really use an attacking formation and get at a team that is in a very poor run of form and get a big win to lift the players morale. Gareth has missed that opportunity now and i suspect we could be in for quite a hammering on Saturday against a very goal happy Carlisle side.
It's almost like he has learnt nothing from Saturday's match against Stevenage. We were dire for 70 minutes and then looked amazing as we went to an attacking 442 with width.
People will say that Gaz knows what he is doing and that this is only year two of a five year plan blah blah blah but this form we are in and the style of football is horrendous at present and it needs addressing. Before we hit this slump i often felt that we won games but was never really sure how we won them. Barnet is an example. Terrible for most of the match and then a goal from Thompson from nothing changed the game, if anything we have been riding our luck and i suspect most teams have sussed out Gaz now. I haven't seen long ball football played as much as we play currently since the days of Alan Smith.
The BBC has Wycombe down in their football fan guide as costing the average Wycombe fan £8.06 per goal scored, I bet that amount has gone up considerably since then.
Harriman, Mawson, Saunders, yannaris all play at a higher level. Reality is we are league 2. We do have some decent payers but the way we are playing and the hoofing is not bringing the best out of them. If I were training them today I would play a game of who can creep it on the floor the longest and pass to our strikers. And a 3-3-4 is pointless.
Maybe it was just me, but I didn't think there was anywhere near as much hoofball last night as we've seen in recent matches. I thought for the most part we kept the ball on the deck, the problem was a complete lack of any creativity and we made a hash of the few chances we did create.
@fedup1980 spot on son. Take a bow
Well last season we lost at home to Tranmere, so what did that say about us? We have one good season and everyone forgets how bad we were before. Last night was poor but at least we tried to pass to one another. It wasn't hoofball and it was better than a lot of our performances in 2013/14.
Fedup1980 you have brought sanity back to this site. Sometimes when I read some of the comments on here I feel I have been watching a different game. Thank you for restoring my faith in supporters ability to give a truthful assessment.
I could almost cope with hoofball if we had strikers who could provide aerial threat. As it is we have 2 dopey six footers who made the clueless Donacien look like Mats Hummels
Last two games against two awful team...we play awful against one and theb set up the same for the next game? Doing thr same thing over and over when it doesnt work is insanity. As soon as i saw the teamsheet i knew we would lose. No width, no clue!
Three strikers will never work as it results in the midfielders being outnumbered. We urgently need a proper wide player and probably not Wood as he was awful earlier in the season.
I think we actually have the players to finish in the top half provided that we getbthe wide man in or failing that use Harriman there. My team would be
Ingram
Jacobson
Pierre
McCarthy
Jombati
O'Nien
Bean
Harriman
Rowe
Hayes
Thompson