It seems mad to me that a country that has a Windshield (to shield a driver from the wind) and a side walk (for pedestrians to walk on the side of the road) doesn’t need a Journeyman to have gone on any kind of journey.
As far as I’m concerned, the most common British English usage is absolutely as cited by Shev. The Wikipedia article is at least a little bit interesting, particularly for etymology enthusiasts
The term is used elsewhere, such as in British and Australian English, to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for numerous clubs during their career without becoming a staple of any one club.
But I appreciate others may use it to mean something different.
Meanwhile @Shev , where's this pond you referred to?
I accept that my English is sometimes a bit dated, but I think the meaning actually derived something from the etymology - competent tradesman but not a master craftsman
Spot on - the "journey" in "journeyman" did not actually come from the English term implying travel. So the 'American' use is probably much nearer the meaning of the original.
I could very well be wrong, but I have a vague recollection that the main protagonist (Henchard) in the Mayor of Casterbridge is described as a journeyman in exactly this sense
I don't know, he's been attempting a few corrections recently and being talked down.
Like trying to correct my use of the word slippy. Which I pointed out is a perfectly cromulent word and used to embiggen an informal approach to the subject.
Last one on this, my much older pal used the term journeyman to refer to a player who'd only ever played premier league level, won a title and only played for 2 clubs.
I thought if that's a "journeyman", than there must be an exceptionally small amount of players who aren't one then.
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Think many English fans use your definition too.
We need to call on @micra for a definitive answer.
It seems mad to me that a country that has a Windshield (to shield a driver from the wind) and a side walk (for pedestrians to walk on the side of the road) doesn’t need a Journeyman to have gone on any kind of journey.
I've just read their forum, and tbh they are quite keen on him taking over
Join us next week when somebody on here describes Bloomfield's wife as 'homely' and Shev threatens to beat him up.
As far as I’m concerned, the most common British English usage is absolutely as cited by Shev. The Wikipedia article is at least a little bit interesting, particularly for etymology enthusiasts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman
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The term is used elsewhere, such as in British and Australian English, to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for numerous clubs during their career without becoming a staple of any one club.
But I appreciate others may use it to mean something different.
Meanwhile @Shev , where's this pond you referred to?
I accept that my English is sometimes a bit dated, but I think the meaning actually derived something from the etymology - competent tradesman but not a master craftsman
Coventry offered me a contract when I was 18. But there was a delay at Haddenham.
Spot on - the "journey" in "journeyman" did not actually come from the English term implying travel. So the 'American' use is probably much nearer the meaning of the original.
And it will probably be a Coventry fan.
The sensible non grudge holding fans will recognise he'd be a superb appointment. In fact quite a few of the posters aren't sure he'd be interested!
Seeing 21 new comments made me fear the worst but nope, it’s just a Friday night thread about the etymology of ‘journeyman’. Never change, Gasroom.
I could very well be wrong, but I have a vague recollection that the main protagonist (Henchard) in the Mayor of Casterbridge is described as a journeyman in exactly this sense
I don't know, he's been attempting a few corrections recently and being talked down.
Like trying to correct my use of the word slippy. Which I pointed out is a perfectly cromulent word and used to embiggen an informal approach to the subject.
Last one on this, my much older pal used the term journeyman to refer to a player who'd only ever played premier league level, won a title and only played for 2 clubs.
I thought if that's a "journeyman", than there must be an exceptionally small amount of players who aren't one then.
We’re going to need to know the player.
Phil Neville?
I really hope we don't sing:
"we want you to stayyyy, Matt Bloomfield, we want you to stay"
I did think of a new song though:
To Status Quo - "Rockin all over the World"
"And I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it
I li-li-like it, li-li-li
Here we goooo, winning six games in a row"
In my (admittedly appalling) memory, I thought it did cross the line, but it did it outside of the goalpost.
“And I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it
I li-li-like it, li-li-li
Here we goooo, Kone and Daniel Udoh.”
That reminds me - for those of you going to AP regularly, what is the music like now PC and GA are both gone?
I wouldn't quite call it "chilling", but this tweet from Bloomfield's brother isn't great...
See the bookies have got bored with Bloomfield and have now decided that Frank Lampard is their favourite for the Coventry job.
Wait till you hear about touchdowns
Interesting how similar that sentiment is to what others have said.
I'm not saying I did it deliberately, but would it be so bad to have hijacked the thread away from speculation over Matt Bloomfield?
It's not even a weekend without football.
What sport would that be, @StrongestTeam? It certainly isn't football.
Superb. You are maturing like a fine wine
“And I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it
I li-li-like it, li-li-li
Taylor and Low, Kone and Daniel Udoh.”