I don’t know if anyone else is reading between the lines, but those running the club are changing us. Dramatically. There WILL be changes people don’t like.
One of the things that has been obvious to me is that they are taking us from a smallish family, friendly orientated football club to a Footballing Academy with plans of getting to Cat1 status - that just happens to have a smallish family friendly orientated football Club attached to it.
I do honestly think they want to keep the football club that way, because it seems to fit the culture they want to drive, but I can see EVERYTHING else around it changing to fit there academy plans.
The academy is the priority at least right now. Not the football club, although it will be highly beneficial for the football club to be as high as possible to help academy player growth.
Sacking performing people is just dumb no? If they don't hire a new H.O.R then yes it's a change of direction. But an academy director is not going to be involved in recruitment for first team. H.O.R is near on one of the most important roles in a football club and we have performed very very well in th last two windows.
How good a job did Scott Michell do? I’m not sure I know. Leahy was signed before him, Kone lined up before him, Onyedinma arrived on back of previous time at the club. I’m not sure Bloomfield has spoken much about him. Scouting seems to be very data-driven. I’m not sure how to take the news but Mitchell was Couhig’s choice.
Not necessarily. He may have been performing at a certain level, but they are looking for people to be performing at a higher level.
”The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level”.
I’m not saying Scott Mitchell is/was incompetent but there may well be questions of his ability if the club expect the head of recruitment to take on a wider, more over reaching role within recruitment. He himself may have said “that’s outside of my skill set”
the “Head of recruitment” role may require more than just scouting and signing players for the first team and grow to a more office based job managing heads of individual scouting departments who have the autonomy to sign players for those departments and is suddenly a hugely different role that Mitchell was doing, and is good at doing.
No I think mitchell is very much a blooms man. Strikes me as a power move to be honest but I have my suspicions on rice anyway so that might be feeding that opinion. The next step will say alot for me....
Have to say , this is my take on this. Sauer and Rice have , I assume , many contacts around the leagues because of their previous roles and experiences and therefore can cover the recruitment aspect for the club. They talked in the recent interview about getting the best people. Perhaps Mitchell didn’t fit the bill although have to say recent recruitment doesn’t suggest he’s not good at his job.
Don't agree with this, a HOR has to be the managers man, lots of trust on managers end for the hor to get the right types alot of networking etc. Just feels like an eroding of blooms men which seems crazy to imply as we sit 2nd in league. Don't fix what isn't broken springs to mind. Rice has to come out and address this for me, such an important role.
Being good at the job up until this point doesn’t mean much if there is going to be big changes to the role and responsibilities of the “head of recruitment” from just “first team and B team” to “the entirety of a fledgling Academy centric system and a first team”
It could be the difference of running a corner shop and suddenly being appointed CEO of Tescos. It’s the same, but massively different.
Mitchell did an all in role at Ipswich he's very qualified to do what you're talking about, on paper he's a dream inheritance from the previous regime from Thier interview
I can save you the trouble. There’s going to be changes. You’re not going to like it or the new ownership team.
That much was clear from the summer when you said they were struggling to be business - business carried out by Scott Mitchell btw - and now you don’t like the fact they have moved him on.
So what was it?
Scott was doing a great job and didn’t deserve to be sacked
Scott was struggling to do business in the summer?
You know what, To help you out, I am going to admit I was wrong. The Club WAS struggling to do business in the summer. You were always right.
Scott Mitchell was the reason for that and was sacked.
(I don’t actually believe that. I believe he did a decent job then. Perhaps the best he could to try and save his job as he knew the role was changing underneath him. Unfortunately the owners want to go a different direction and he wasn’t the one for that job)
I really don't think this is all that complicated in all honesty. Scott Mitchell was a Couhig hire, and I imagine Rice / Lomtadze want their own hire. I'd expect a new HoR to be appointed in the coming weeks.
No it doesn’t. Edu at Arsenal, for example, isn’t Artetas man.
You might be right, Scott might have been Blooms man. And that might be the problem. But they might be going “in a different direction “ and modelling the department on one at the highest levels of football.
Which means the pres release and reason is 100% true.
That doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Just a different thing.
Again, Scott may not have fitted in that role. He may not have wanted to fit in that role.
Mitchells CV would be the perfect hire for what the new ownership are communicating (my opinion). You will always take issue with what I say it's cool but don't be naive, a strong relationship between hor and manager is essential if thats the model you want to operate (regardless of who hires them) and ours seems to be working to a tee AT THIS MOMENT. I said the next steps will say and show alot for me.
When Lommy became the CEO of Kaspi Bank in 2007 he sacked the entire board and brought his own people in.
So I don't know why anyone is surprised he might let a few people go in his quest to make the Kaspi Football Academy (incorporating WWFC) one of the best in the UK.
That wasn’t the point. They just have a different one than you, and obviously more detail.
my entire opinion is based on Occam’s razor. They want to go in a different direction(as stated) and that will mean big changes. Buckle up. You’ve already made your mind up and won’t like much of it.
i dont like that we haven’t heard from ML. I think I know why ( it’s easier for a voiceless man to swing axes) but I’ve been told a quiet owner is best
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I could say Dan has brothers named Baz and Marty but without proof…
I don’t know if anyone else is reading between the lines, but those running the club are changing us. Dramatically. There WILL be changes people don’t like.
One of the things that has been obvious to me is that they are taking us from a smallish family, friendly orientated football club to a Footballing Academy with plans of getting to Cat1 status - that just happens to have a smallish family friendly orientated football Club attached to it.
I do honestly think they want to keep the football club that way, because it seems to fit the culture they want to drive, but I can see EVERYTHING else around it changing to fit there academy plans.
The academy is the priority at least right now. Not the football club, although it will be highly beneficial for the football club to be as high as possible to help academy player growth.
That’s a reality we all need to understand imho.
Sacking performing people is just dumb no? If they don't hire a new H.O.R then yes it's a change of direction. But an academy director is not going to be involved in recruitment for first team. H.O.R is near on one of the most important roles in a football club and we have performed very very well in th last two windows.
How good a job did Scott Michell do? I’m not sure I know. Leahy was signed before him, Kone lined up before him, Onyedinma arrived on back of previous time at the club. I’m not sure Bloomfield has spoken much about him. Scouting seems to be very data-driven. I’m not sure how to take the news but Mitchell was Couhig’s choice.
Not necessarily. He may have been performing at a certain level, but they are looking for people to be performing at a higher level.
”The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level”.
I’m not saying Scott Mitchell is/was incompetent but there may well be questions of his ability if the club expect the head of recruitment to take on a wider, more over reaching role within recruitment. He himself may have said “that’s outside of my skill set”
the “Head of recruitment” role may require more than just scouting and signing players for the first team and grow to a more office based job managing heads of individual scouting departments who have the autonomy to sign players for those departments and is suddenly a hugely different role that Mitchell was doing, and is good at doing.
That in itself is a different direction, no?
No I think mitchell is very much a blooms man. Strikes me as a power move to be honest but I have my suspicions on rice anyway so that might be feeding that opinion. The next step will say alot for me....
Have to say , this is my take on this. Sauer and Rice have , I assume , many contacts around the leagues because of their previous roles and experiences and therefore can cover the recruitment aspect for the club. They talked in the recent interview about getting the best people. Perhaps Mitchell didn’t fit the bill although have to say recent recruitment doesn’t suggest he’s not good at his job.
Don't agree with this, a HOR has to be the managers man, lots of trust on managers end for the hor to get the right types alot of networking etc. Just feels like an eroding of blooms men which seems crazy to imply as we sit 2nd in league. Don't fix what isn't broken springs to mind. Rice has to come out and address this for me, such an important role.
Being good at the job up until this point doesn’t mean much if there is going to be big changes to the role and responsibilities of the “head of recruitment” from just “first team and B team” to “the entirety of a fledgling Academy centric system and a first team”
It could be the difference of running a corner shop and suddenly being appointed CEO of Tescos. It’s the same, but massively different.
All Dan Rice’s team have a background in youth development, Women’s football etc.
Nobody is critical of trying to build the club from the bottom up.
We hope they succeed at a shared facility where QPR and Chelsea have failed.
We won’t know for several years whether it will succeed or not.
However, what none of them have is any experience of Men’s Lower League Professional football.
Blooms’ staff have that essential experience.
Playing Jenga with Blooms’ management team is high risk.
Mitchell did an all in role at Ipswich he's very qualified to do what you're talking about, on paper he's a dream inheritance from the previous regime from Thier interview
I can save you the trouble. There’s going to be changes. You’re not going to like it or the new ownership team.
That much was clear from the summer when you said they were struggling to be business - business carried out by Scott Mitchell btw - and now you don’t like the fact they have moved him on.
So what was it?
1. He was and didn't from what I can see.
2.who has the the power in a club?
3. I don't hang on words and glamour pieces,
You know what, To help you out, I am going to admit I was wrong. The Club WAS struggling to do business in the summer. You were always right.
Scott Mitchell was the reason for that and was sacked.
(I don’t actually believe that. I believe he did a decent job then. Perhaps the best he could to try and save his job as he knew the role was changing underneath him. Unfortunately the owners want to go a different direction and he wasn’t the one for that job)
Sometimes I wonder if they annoyed that the team is doing so well that Bloomfield is untouchable.
My take on the last couple of pages
A) Change is inevitable
B) You either accept the change or you move somewhere else
C) Not everyone is happy with change & many of those people will not join the change journey
D) Hearsay/Innuendo is not fact without evidence to support it
E) Competence, like beauty, is more often than not in the eye of the beholder
Fans forum in three weeks so if you’ve got an issue make sure you raise it then
I really don't think this is all that complicated in all honesty. Scott Mitchell was a Couhig hire, and I imagine Rice / Lomtadze want their own hire. I'd expect a new HoR to be appointed in the coming weeks.
No it doesn’t. Edu at Arsenal, for example, isn’t Artetas man.
You might be right, Scott might have been Blooms man. And that might be the problem. But they might be going “in a different direction “ and modelling the department on one at the highest levels of football.
Which means the pres release and reason is 100% true.
That doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Just a different thing.
Again, Scott may not have fitted in that role. He may not have wanted to fit in that role.
Worth watching the hour long interview with Dan Rice and Jeremy Sauer, I would be interested in what others thought of it.
What stood out for me - please check for yourself - was Blooms was referred as the manager and not by name.
Quite chilling, I thought.
Mitchells CV would be the perfect hire for what the new ownership are communicating (my opinion). You will always take issue with what I say it's cool but don't be naive, a strong relationship between hor and manager is essential if thats the model you want to operate (regardless of who hires them) and ours seems to be working to a tee AT THIS MOMENT. I said the next steps will say and show alot for me.
I too can read into things and infer things I don’t like.
There was no signage about Wycombe Wanderers in the background of the video at all. Bar a small semi-esoteric image of Motty in the snow at AP.
Lots of mentions of “The academy” and not the Wycombe wanderers academy.
chilling 🙄
"Chilling"... This is all getting a bit too conspiracy theory for my liking!
Yeah, YOUR opinion.
Not their. Your opinion means zero to them (or any of the other owners of our or other football clubs Tbf)
When Lommy became the CEO of Kaspi Bank in 2007 he sacked the entire board and brought his own people in.
So I don't know why anyone is surprised he might let a few people go in his quest to make the Kaspi Football Academy (incorporating WWFC) one of the best in the UK.
Close the gasroom now, opinions not allowed on a forum.
My son was at Fulham as an academy scout during the time Dan was there and he thought Dan was a good guy who did a very good job.
That wasn’t the point. They just have a different one than you, and obviously more detail.
my entire opinion is based on Occam’s razor. They want to go in a different direction(as stated) and that will mean big changes. Buckle up. You’ve already made your mind up and won’t like much of it.
i dont like that we haven’t heard from ML. I think I know why ( it’s easier for a voiceless man to swing axes) but I’ve been told a quiet owner is best