The point is though, the lad should not be put in the position that he is in right now as he isn’t ready.
I think the point is: he is in that position, so some of us are cheering him on and enjoying seeing an emerging talent, while others are shit talking him all over the internet to really fucking help his confidence. Personally I think that says much more about each of these groups of fans than it does about Tyla, don’t think I’d want to be friends with anyone who gets so much joy out of belittling a kid making his first few professional appearances.
Who’s shit talking him btw? All I have ever seen is people say he isn’t ready and we need a number one keeper.
Something GA also agrees with because he has been publicly saying he is looking for a new keeper. Would you put Gaz in the bracket of “shit talking him” and perhaps undermining his confidence in such public declarations that’s he is looking to replace Tyla?
Maybe, just maybe it doesn’t have to be one thing or the other. I can cheer the lad on, wish him well, hope he proves me wrong AND say I don’t think he is league one standard and we should have got a true number one keeper in earlier.
Something GA also agrees with because he has been publicly saying he is looking for a new keeper. Would you put Gaz in the bracket of “shit talking him” and perhaps undermining his confidence in such public declarations that’s he is looking to replace Tyla?
You’re really reaching now. Gaz is perfectly happy for him to be a stand-in for the very few games he’s going to play this season. So am I. If Gaz was slagging him off in his post match interviews, blaming the entire team’s performances on him, and coming out with hilarious phrases like “a team rots from the goalkeeper”, you’d have a point. But he isn’t doing that, so you don’t have a point.
There's certainly a huge middle ground between cheering the lad and enjoying him developing and slagging him off.
I'll personally always support any player we have out there (within certain very exceptional circumstances such as signing Ched Evans /Danny Hylton or suchlike characters), but that doesn't stop me me thinking "we could do with a better keeper here".
Gaz is happy for him to play a few games, lots of people on here find that disgraceful for some reason and are desperate to blame all the team’s poor form on him for some reason, despite him having done absolutely nothing wrong. It’s bizarre and speaks volumes about those posters.
No one is blaming our poor form all on him, but to suggest he's "done absolutely nothing wrong" is also inaccurate (whoops, I've personally attacked him again). Bring on the thumbs.
Case in point, this isn’t even the Nathan Bishop thread, this is the Shrewsbury match day thread. A match in which Tyla did nothing wrong, and yet it’s become another slag Tyla off thread.
I’d love to have come round your places of work in your first few weeks in the job and stood in the middle of the room shouting about how shit you are.
I can’t for the life of me find a comment or opinion that comes anywhere ‘disgraceful’. It’s quite proper that we can air our concerns about the whole GK situation is it not. Otherwise what’s the point of a discussion forum if it doesn’t suit your narrative.
plenty have said that despite his best efforts, and the lad it trying his best, he isn’t league one standard. If that’s your idea of slagging off, then dear o’ lore.
If he can’t deal with some people criticising him during a football match, then maybe football isn’t for him at all. Because the opposition fans will be merciless
Got to remember the level of the opposition in the Long Crendon game, and yesterday wasn’t his finest hour objectively.
But yes - I also see Young as a player for the future, just a few sloppy touches yesterday but never easy coming into the game so late on with the result on the line. More to come from him I’m sure.
This a textbook case of the Guardians of the Gasroom thinking they have a monopoly on fan sentiment - and then just making shit up to suit their narrative.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone rip Tyla apart, but his approach has been questionable for quite a few goals.
The key bit - we shouldn’t be in this position.
It’s ludicrous to be three league games into a season with a goalkeeper that’s never played above the eighth tier before. We’re not a non-league club. We’re one of the (many) favourites for promotion to the second tier. We were in the second tier a few years back. We should have had the number 1 keeper situation sorted quickly. We shouldn’t have to be throwing a young lad into the deep end when it’s quite clear that our management don’t think Tyla’s up to the standard of being our number 1 yet.
How about this astonishing paragraph from @aloysius that goes from “I’m not blaming him”, through “A football team rots from its keeper’ all the way to blaming him for us finishing this season mid-table even though we’re three games in
I'm not blaming him for any of this, he's young, inexperienced and doing everything we can ask on him when called on in these difficult circumstances. But I think that old truism normally applied to politics - a fish rots from his head - applies here too. A football team rots from its keeper. Without a Stockdalesque figure to command, harry, control play and give confidence in the box, we can't expect to be anything more than a mid table team.
Gawd never had you down as a 'nobody can say nothing' @ReturnToSenda . I notice a few of the 'Ainsworth out' people who had to wind their necks in for a while are getting their second wind as well. Match day threads starting to be miserable borefests and we're only four games in.
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At one point it was looking the perfect game to bring Mawson back into the fold late on.
We just needed that seemingly inevitable second goal.
Instead they stole one, and by pure sod's law they scored just after we made what I assume was a 50-50 JJ or Obita sub.
Probably going with JJ for the set pieces threat Mawson would increase.
The point is though, the lad should not be put in the position that he is in right now as he isn’t ready.
I think the point is: he is in that position, so some of us are cheering him on and enjoying seeing an emerging talent, while others are shit talking him all over the internet to really fucking help his confidence. Personally I think that says much more about each of these groups of fans than it does about Tyla, don’t think I’d want to be friends with anyone who gets so much joy out of belittling a kid making his first few professional appearances.
Think it was the Spanish media described as capable of balance in fair weather but hysterical at the sight of clouds
Hear hear.
Outstandingly good post
The only time he's been belittled was when he got MOTM v Burton.
Once again: getting behind a player and objectively assessing their ability are not mutually exclusive.
Who’s shit talking him btw? All I have ever seen is people say he isn’t ready and we need a number one keeper.
Something GA also agrees with because he has been publicly saying he is looking for a new keeper. Would you put Gaz in the bracket of “shit talking him” and perhaps undermining his confidence in such public declarations that’s he is looking to replace Tyla?
Maybe, just maybe it doesn’t have to be one thing or the other. I can cheer the lad on, wish him well, hope he proves me wrong AND say I don’t think he is league one standard and we should have got a true number one keeper in earlier.
Passively aggressively down thumb away please.
Again, waiting a few weeks to get the top quality keeper we really want is better than getting one not as good just so they can play the first game
You've completely lost the run of yourself
Exactly this.
Indeed.
Something GA also agrees with because he has been publicly saying he is looking for a new keeper. Would you put Gaz in the bracket of “shit talking him” and perhaps undermining his confidence in such public declarations that’s he is looking to replace Tyla?
You’re really reaching now. Gaz is perfectly happy for him to be a stand-in for the very few games he’s going to play this season. So am I. If Gaz was slagging him off in his post match interviews, blaming the entire team’s performances on him, and coming out with hilarious phrases like “a team rots from the goalkeeper”, you’d have a point. But he isn’t doing that, so you don’t have a point.
You speak as if the top quality keeper we really want is guaranteed to sign for us ….
De Gea has been shocking in both games this season and Henderson has arguably been Forest’s best player in both of their games.
Man Utd are in crisis. One part of that is their goalkeeper situation. I cannot envisage Bishop being allowed to leave any time soon.
We have been played like a fiddle. I hope that we learned a lot from the Bishop saga.
There's certainly a huge middle ground between cheering the lad and enjoying him developing and slagging him off.
I'll personally always support any player we have out there (within certain very exceptional circumstances such as signing Ched Evans /Danny Hylton or suchlike characters), but that doesn't stop me me thinking "we could do with a better keeper here".
Sadly, I fear you’re right @frequentstander.
How am I stretching? It was clear before the season started that we were looking for a number one. Tyla has been selected out of necessity.
infact what gaz is doing of covered by:
“I can cheer the lad on, wish him well, hope he proves me wrong AND say I don’t think he is league one standard”
he’s selecting him, hoping he is doing a good enough job while actively looking to replace him.
But it’s everyone else that is saying the same thing that’s undermining his confidence. yeah, makes sense.
I’ve also not said the team rots from the keeper. So neither do you (have a point)
There is no middle ground on the Gasroom
Oh bollocks…..
Gaz is happy for him to play a few games, lots of people on here find that disgraceful for some reason and are desperate to blame all the team’s poor form on him for some reason, despite him having done absolutely nothing wrong. It’s bizarre and speaks volumes about those posters.
No one is blaming our poor form all on him, but to suggest he's "done absolutely nothing wrong" is also inaccurate (whoops, I've personally attacked him again). Bring on the thumbs.
Case in point, this isn’t even the Nathan Bishop thread, this is the Shrewsbury match day thread. A match in which Tyla did nothing wrong, and yet it’s become another slag Tyla off thread.
I’d love to have come round your places of work in your first few weeks in the job and stood in the middle of the room shouting about how shit you are.
Who's abused him?
I can’t for the life of me find a comment or opinion that comes anywhere ‘disgraceful’. It’s quite proper that we can air our concerns about the whole GK situation is it not. Otherwise what’s the point of a discussion forum if it doesn’t suit your narrative.
Roll on Tuesday.
And the big misses being back in the lineup!
Where have people slagged him off?
plenty have said that despite his best efforts, and the lad it trying his best, he isn’t league one standard. If that’s your idea of slagging off, then dear o’ lore.
If he can’t deal with some people criticising him during a football match, then maybe football isn’t for him at all. Because the opposition fans will be merciless
Got to remember the level of the opposition in the Long Crendon game, and yesterday wasn’t his finest hour objectively.
But yes - I also see Young as a player for the future, just a few sloppy touches yesterday but never easy coming into the game so late on with the result on the line. More to come from him I’m sure.
This a textbook case of the Guardians of the Gasroom thinking they have a monopoly on fan sentiment - and then just making shit up to suit their narrative.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone rip Tyla apart, but his approach has been questionable for quite a few goals.
The key bit - we shouldn’t be in this position.
It’s ludicrous to be three league games into a season with a goalkeeper that’s never played above the eighth tier before. We’re not a non-league club. We’re one of the (many) favourites for promotion to the second tier. We were in the second tier a few years back. We should have had the number 1 keeper situation sorted quickly. We shouldn’t have to be throwing a young lad into the deep end when it’s quite clear that our management don’t think Tyla’s up to the standard of being our number 1 yet.
Where have people slagged him off?
How about this astonishing paragraph from @aloysius that goes from “I’m not blaming him”, through “A football team rots from its keeper’ all the way to blaming him for us finishing this season mid-table even though we’re three games in
I'm not blaming him for any of this, he's young, inexperienced and doing everything we can ask on him when called on in these difficult circumstances. But I think that old truism normally applied to politics - a fish rots from his head - applies here too. A football team rots from its keeper. Without a Stockdalesque figure to command, harry, control play and give confidence in the box, we can't expect to be anything more than a mid table team.
Gawd never had you down as a 'nobody can say nothing' @ReturnToSenda . I notice a few of the 'Ainsworth out' people who had to wind their necks in for a while are getting their second wind as well. Match day threads starting to be miserable borefests and we're only four games in.
So one person. The one that historically finds the negative in everything.
gotcha.