You have to have some kind of pre-season, too much injury risk to go straight back into it. And even then, they won't be at match fitness until after a few games.
@Wendoverman said:
As long as our semi-fit players are better than their semi-fit players @Malone I'm all for it!
After listening to Gaz last night and the support he is giving them, ours will be the psychologically fittest. The gaffer is the toppest of top blokes.
If Rules permit to be changed surely it will be better to have 1 leg playoff semis, with 3rd and 4th team being give home advantage, as seen in many leagues out of the EFL, and seems a fairer way of those finishing in highest positions after a 44 games slog, being given just recognition.
@ChasHarps not sure a behind closed doors is much of a home advantage - might even be a distraction for the home team more than the away. Neutral ground for single leg semi?
The only argument for not picking up where we left off, is if we are never going to play again. Next season is just as likely to be curtailed. If we are ever going to play again in these uncertain times, why not finish what is 77-80% complete?
@Shev said:
The only argument for not picking up where we left off, is if we are never going to play again. Next season is just as likely to be curtailed. If we are ever going to play again in these uncertain times, why not finish what is 77-80% complete?
I'd argue if the circumstances of the final 20% of games are miles from the rest of the season - and miles from ideal, it would be a farce.
I'd rather use PPG or void the season than have it decided by greatly changed squads of players, half fit and in empty stadiums - that's in no way representative of a true season.
A little unconnected, but it was interesting to hear Simon Calder the travel expert all sources defer to (and he is usually always worth reading or hearing) on the TV up here yesterday talking about holiday bookings later this summer.
The expectation within the airline and travel companies is apparently that there will be some return to a level of normality by the end of June with package holidays to most destinations going ahead.
Personally this feels wildly optimistic to me, but if we are sending thousands of people to congregate en masse in bars and on beaches it would be hard to then say you cant stand or sit around in Rebellion-imbibed/crisp-eating groups and watch our nice re-laid pitch and a couple of dozen assorted people (some of whom we may recognise) running around aimlessly (sometimes close to a spherical object) from mid-August onwards.
It's not unlikely that the travel industry is being optimistic as that's the only situation a lot of businesses will survive, and as soon as you "accept" that the scenario is likely fatal for companies , wheels are set in motion that can't be reversed in the unlikely event they get lucky.
It's the same reason no sports are saying voiding or cancelling is an option, until the situation gets to the point of no return and they are. The national leagues and Scottish fl both planned to finish....
I wouldn't have thought we'll be under such strict lockdown by June, so having games behind closed doors isn't beyond the realms of possibility - as long as there's sufficient testing and medical resources available and these aren't being taken away from where they're really needed.
@Malone said:
You'd be one optimistic frigger to be booking a holiday abroad this summer!
Unless you're going to one of the handful of countries with no cases and can prove you're not infected
A local pal's dad is apparently somel medical professor. He had a piece ina national paper today about how he reckons we'll be out of lockdown by May and back to normal by June.
All with the disclaimer of "if everyone follows the rules".
@Shev said:
The only argument for not picking up where we left off, is if we are never going to play again. Next season is just as likely to be curtailed. If we are ever going to play again in these uncertain times, why not finish what is 77-80% complete?
I'd argue if the circumstances of the final 20% of games are miles from the rest of the season - and miles from ideal, it would be a farce.
I'd rather use PPG or void the season than have it decided by greatly changed squads of players, half fit and in empty stadiums - that's in no way representative of a true season.
I understand that perspective, @Username. However, my argument is that if we bin this season because of the virus, we may have to play the same season three or four times, as the virus could easily flare up again, leading to exactly the same arguments.
If fans turn up for the first game of a new season, with the old one voided, but the virus still a possibility, nobody could really believe the games and goals they were seeing would stand permanently. It would definitely affect the enjoyment of the new season.
Completing the season long after the first 80% is not ideal, I agree, but if we were living in ideal, there would be no deadly virus. I feel as though we need to change our way of doing things until it is eradicated, and voiding any season that is affected, expecting the next one to somehow be completed, has the potential to go round in circles until there is a vaccine.
I don't think we should use half fit players. I think we should just carry on from where we left off, irrespective of how far down the line that is. It is much more of a punishment to successful clubs to curtail their season over 20%, than it is to relegation-threatened clubs, who were 80% of the way towards the drop anyway.
@chairboyscentral exactly! But that's further than most would go. I understand there may also be issues around his incorrect representation of his qualifications and academic posts.
@drcongo the whole thing is corrupt and rigged. SPFL began announcing votes "before" receiving them all. It's all come out in the wash that Dundee voted no but the email got "lost" and they've since not submitted yet knowing their position of power.
Further bribes will follow and they will undoubtedly change their mind after being offered more backhanders.
@DJWYC14 - Don"t you think that the fact that a vote in favour of the resolution would give their "enemy" Dundee Unired the title has something to do with their stance?
Even If you were to can it now I don't think it'd be as straight forward as moving on with preparing the next season. Could you really do anything? Would you sign new players without medicals before transport restrictions were lifted and would you sign them now when you don't know 100% when next season starts. Would the better players sign or wait until all leagues had sorted themselves out and bigger clubs didn't want them. Would season tickets and TV money need repaying. I can see a big old mess, administrations from poorer clubs and players in limbo.
@chairboyscentral said:
I can't say I've read up on him, but I don't take much notice of his thoughts as I wonder how well placed an oncologist is to discuss epidemiology.
Best stick to the BBC and Sky News for the facts. It would be highly inappropriate to keep an open mind while doing your own research.
@chairboyscentral said:
I can't say I've read up on him, but I don't take much notice of his thoughts as I wonder how well placed an oncologist is to discuss epidemiology.
Best stick to the BBC and Sky News for the facts. It would be highly inappropriate to keep an open mind while doing your own research.
What I mean is I'd rather listen to a specialist on the subject at hand.
Comments
As long as our semi-fit players are better than their semi-fit players @Malone I'm all for it!
You have to have some kind of pre-season, too much injury risk to go straight back into it. And even then, they won't be at match fitness until after a few games.
After listening to Gaz last night and the support he is giving them, ours will be the psychologically fittest. The gaffer is the toppest of top blokes.
If Rules permit to be changed surely it will be better to have 1 leg playoff semis, with 3rd and 4th team being give home advantage, as seen in many leagues out of the EFL, and seems a fairer way of those finishing in highest positions after a 44 games slog, being given just recognition.
@ChasHarps not sure a behind closed doors is much of a home advantage - might even be a distraction for the home team more than the away. Neutral ground for single leg semi?
The only argument for not picking up where we left off, is if we are never going to play again. Next season is just as likely to be curtailed. If we are ever going to play again in these uncertain times, why not finish what is 77-80% complete?
Maybe walking football for the first few games to avoid injuries
Now that would be exciting, walking football behind closed doors.....Zzzzzzzz
I'd argue if the circumstances of the final 20% of games are miles from the rest of the season - and miles from ideal, it would be a farce.
I'd rather use PPG or void the season than have it decided by greatly changed squads of players, half fit and in empty stadiums - that's in no way representative of a true season.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11971338/premier-league-players-can-walk-away-from-their-clubs-on-june-30-says-leading-sports-lawyer
If you start changing rules of a competition dur> @Ozzie_the_Relaxed said:
At least the referees could keep up with play though!
A little unconnected, but it was interesting to hear Simon Calder the travel expert all sources defer to (and he is usually always worth reading or hearing) on the TV up here yesterday talking about holiday bookings later this summer.
The expectation within the airline and travel companies is apparently that there will be some return to a level of normality by the end of June with package holidays to most destinations going ahead.
Personally this feels wildly optimistic to me, but if we are sending thousands of people to congregate en masse in bars and on beaches it would be hard to then say you cant stand or sit around in Rebellion-imbibed/crisp-eating groups and watch our nice re-laid pitch and a couple of dozen assorted people (some of whom we may recognise) running around aimlessly (sometimes close to a spherical object) from mid-August onwards.
It's not unlikely that the travel industry is being optimistic as that's the only situation a lot of businesses will survive, and as soon as you "accept" that the scenario is likely fatal for companies , wheels are set in motion that can't be reversed in the unlikely event they get lucky.
It's the same reason no sports are saying voiding or cancelling is an option, until the situation gets to the point of no return and they are. The national leagues and Scottish fl both planned to finish....
I wouldn't have thought we'll be under such strict lockdown by June, so having games behind closed doors isn't beyond the realms of possibility - as long as there's sufficient testing and medical resources available and these aren't being taken away from where they're really needed.
You'd be one optimistic frigger to be booking a holiday abroad this summer!
Unless you're going to one of the handful of countries with no confirmed cases and can prove you're not infected
A local pal's dad is apparently somel medical professor. He had a piece ina national paper today about how he reckons we'll be out of lockdown by May and back to normal by June.
All with the disclaimer of "if everyone follows the rules".
Sounds quite an optimistic fella.
@Malone It's not this guy by any chance is it? He's been very - some might say too - optimistic throughout.
Nice referencing. Yes that's the guy!
I understand that perspective, @Username. However, my argument is that if we bin this season because of the virus, we may have to play the same season three or four times, as the virus could easily flare up again, leading to exactly the same arguments.
If fans turn up for the first game of a new season, with the old one voided, but the virus still a possibility, nobody could really believe the games and goals they were seeing would stand permanently. It would definitely affect the enjoyment of the new season.
Completing the season long after the first 80% is not ideal, I agree, but if we were living in ideal, there would be no deadly virus. I feel as though we need to change our way of doing things until it is eradicated, and voiding any season that is affected, expecting the next one to somehow be completed, has the potential to go round in circles until there is a vaccine.
I don't think we should use half fit players. I think we should just carry on from where we left off, irrespective of how far down the line that is. It is much more of a punishment to successful clubs to curtail their season over 20%, than it is to relegation-threatened clubs, who were 80% of the way towards the drop anyway.
I suggest some background reading about Karol Sikora might be justified, before any of his ideas are given too much credibility.
I can't say I've read up on him, but I don't take much notice of his thoughts as I wonder how well placed an oncologist is to discuss epidemiology.
Fair point, let's leave it to Wycombe fans on a message board
@chairboyscentral exactly! But that's further than most would go. I understand there may also be issues around his incorrect representation of his qualifications and academic posts.
@drcongo the whole thing is corrupt and rigged. SPFL began announcing votes "before" receiving them all. It's all come out in the wash that Dundee voted no but the email got "lost" and they've since not submitted yet knowing their position of power.
Further bribes will follow and they will undoubtedly change their mind after being offered more backhanders.
Sky are also in on it and not reporting it with any interest.
@DJWYC14 - Don"t you think that the fact that a vote in favour of the resolution would give their "enemy" Dundee Unired the title has something to do with their stance?
Even If you were to can it now I don't think it'd be as straight forward as moving on with preparing the next season. Could you really do anything? Would you sign new players without medicals before transport restrictions were lifted and would you sign them now when you don't know 100% when next season starts. Would the better players sign or wait until all leagues had sorted themselves out and bigger clubs didn't want them. Would season tickets and TV money need repaying. I can see a big old mess, administrations from poorer clubs and players in limbo.
Best stick to the BBC and Sky News for the facts. It would be highly inappropriate to keep an open mind while doing your own research.
What I mean is I'd rather listen to a specialist on the subject at hand.
Good luck with that
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus