If that first 70 minutes was a deep technical ploy we spent a week working through that's probably more worrying than him making a few assumptions and getting found out.
I could be wrong but I think it was MON who said that, collectively, the Wycombe supporters know best. The best team selection, the best formation, the best tactics.
Don’t you just love to see a family squabble being played out on the Gasroom! “Small sample” @Twizz ! Brilliant.
I’m starting to feel more optimistic again after catching up with this thread. And Tuesday evening (eventually) helped to improve the mood.
Don’t think many of us expected to be saying it but the second half at St Andrews and the last 25 minutes at the New York Stadium demonstrated that, currently, the three centre back formation looks very promising.
I would keep Jack Grimmer in as the right sided centre back (and skipper) with Pattenden or the impressive Kodua at right wingback. Fred on the left.
I’d love to see Franco back in his rightful place.
It was only after Low went off on 70 that we started looking like we could score a few?
Though the choice of wing backs wasn't the most attacking version we could have.
Bradley must play - that's obvious now. So 3 at the back suits that, but it doesn't seem to suit our array of wide attacking forward options. Although we could also argue none are particularly in form!
Perhaps I “misread” what was going on but I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure that Grimmer moved into the right centre back position when Low was subbed. His vital interception (in the closing minutes) of a ball that looked ominously like it was destined to reach an onrushing Rotherham forward for an equaliser was right across in the left back position.
Jack has always impressed on the relatively rare occasions that he’s played in that position and on Tuesday it had the double advantage of keeping a key player on the pitch. As he moves through his early thirties (and with the likely departure of Joe Low) I think that position could well become “his own”.
With three at the back you have to be really clever moving round, Wide Centre backs need to push forward and wingbacks be like wingers as much as possible in possession.
We seem to get sucked really easily into actually being 5 at the back and midfielders covering and passing backwards and no free runners. The occasional ball over the top was all we had.
I wouldn't be sad to see it disappear again altogether, Low could do with a rest, but if we do play it we need two out and out strikers and proper attacking wingbacks, hope Back and Jasper haven't disappeared after promising outings.
What I would say is that there are definitely "some" fans who are capable of coaching and managing a football league team and who's insight shouldn't be dismissed because they have a different full time job.
Where I do agree with Eric is that there is no way that applies to the majority.
I suspect there are already a number of people on the gasroom who have some coaching badges for football and have probably run youth football teams for 10+ years with their kids. Whilst they may not have all the skills to run a league club full time, I think they have the wisdom to review the starting XI on Tuesday, point out it was rather ludicrous and potentially pick a side / strategy for Lincoln.
My tactical advice would be good enough to cover the bleeding obvious such as never letting Marcus Bean take a throw-in or not playing Bayo as a wingback. Beyond that I’m pretty clueless as to what to do, although I can usually offer ill-informed comment as to why something went wrong.
Right now the best I’ve got is get balls into the box at the same time as the King and another player are in the box and play Bradley because I like him. Also play Franco because we seemed to move the ball around faster with him in goal and I’m pretty sure that’s a good thing?
I have a particular dislike of a back 3. Like you say it's a very difficult system to get right consistently and so few players are used to it, and seem to relish it.
It can very easily end up as a 5.
We had a spell successfully adopting it in the championship, but that was a rare period where we had an absolute one off lone striker who could be absolutely unplayable and could get it and make something out of nothing dribbling past players with strength and pace.
Kone will be and probably is a "better" all round striker, but he's no Uche for those strengths he had, at least for that 6month period.
It was also a division where we were underdogs in most games so suited us more to sit deeper, with the likes of Fred whose talents are massively in attack, being happy to put in the hard yards chasing back towards his own half.
It also suited us that we could field the likes of JJ and Grimmer as wide centre backs, more used to covering the flanks. Our current back 3 are all absolute central players and not particularly at home chasing facing their own goal.
I’m with you on this point. I always find it interesting that no one tells a heart surgeon how he should be conducting operations, no one advises a plumber or electrician how they should be doing their jobs, no one tells the chef at their local restaurant how to cook meals, but when it comes to football some people think they know better than professionals who have spent their entire careers in the game.
'I always find it interesting that no one tells a heart surgeon how he should be conducting operations, no one advises a plumber or electrician how they should be doing their jobs, no one tells the chef at their local restaurant how to cook meals...'
I'm not sure that's the case @glasshalffull i'm sure plenty of people might have spotted this and would have had a word with the plumber. I get your point on heart surgery!
Knowing a lot of plumbers/sparkies, they get lots of advice from customers all the time. Better analogy needed...
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Often the simplest answers are the right ones.
If that first 70 minutes was a deep technical ploy we spent a week working through that's probably more worrying than him making a few assumptions and getting found out.
I'm still hoping the players all just drew straws to decide who was playing where.
I could be wrong but I think it was MON who said that, collectively, the Wycombe supporters know best. The best team selection, the best formation, the best tactics.
Don’t you just love to see a family squabble being played out on the Gasroom! “Small sample” @Twizz ! Brilliant.
I’m starting to feel more optimistic again after catching up with this thread. And Tuesday evening (eventually) helped to improve the mood.
Don’t think many of us expected to be saying it but the second half at St Andrews and the last 25 minutes at the New York Stadium demonstrated that, currently, the three centre back formation looks very promising.
I would keep Jack Grimmer in as the right sided centre back (and skipper) with Pattenden or the impressive Kodua at right wingback. Fred on the left.
I’d love to see Franco back in his rightful place.
We took off a centre back (Low) for the last 25 minutes at Rotherham...?
Did 3 at the back look promising though?
It was only after Low went off on 70 that we started looking like we could score a few?
Though the choice of wing backs wasn't the most attacking version we could have.
Bradley must play - that's obvious now. So 3 at the back suits that, but it doesn't seem to suit our array of wide attacking forward options. Although we could also argue none are particularly in form!
If it were your full time job do you not think you could do a perfectly good job of producing a strategy for the Lincoln game?
Indeed @micra, I'm a tactical genius and @Glenactico is a world renown referee's assessor (in his spare time).
God no
Is this one of those things where you watch the Olympics and it looks easy?
Perhaps I “misread” what was going on but I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure that Grimmer moved into the right centre back position when Low was subbed. His vital interception (in the closing minutes) of a ball that looked ominously like it was destined to reach an onrushing Rotherham forward for an equaliser was right across in the left back position.
Jack has always impressed on the relatively rare occasions that he’s played in that position and on Tuesday it had the double advantage of keeping a key player on the pitch. As he moves through his early thirties (and with the likely departure of Joe Low) I think that position could well become “his own”.
With three at the back you have to be really clever moving round, Wide Centre backs need to push forward and wingbacks be like wingers as much as possible in possession.
We seem to get sucked really easily into actually being 5 at the back and midfielders covering and passing backwards and no free runners. The occasional ball over the top was all we had.
I wouldn't be sad to see it disappear again altogether, Low could do with a rest, but if we do play it we need two out and out strikers and proper attacking wingbacks, hope Back and Jasper haven't disappeared after promising outings.
Re your last paragraph, are you writing off our Great Dane!
What I would say is that there are definitely "some" fans who are capable of coaching and managing a football league team and who's insight shouldn't be dismissed because they have a different full time job.
Where I do agree with Eric is that there is no way that applies to the majority.
I suspect there are already a number of people on the gasroom who have some coaching badges for football and have probably run youth football teams for 10+ years with their kids. Whilst they may not have all the skills to run a league club full time, I think they have the wisdom to review the starting XI on Tuesday, point out it was rather ludicrous and potentially pick a side / strategy for Lincoln.
I think my post on the Dodds discussion thread makes my credentials perfectly clear.
'Put all the attacking players on and just Sonny Bradley at the back and tell them to just keep bombing forwards.
Ten 9-7 wins will do.'
What we need is a poll before the match, so that the manager/head coach can confirm that they are taking the best decisions!
My advice would be the same as Armando Iannucci shouting at the TV.
'You've got 22 legs. Use them'
With Sonny Bradley at the back and Richard Kone in attack, ALL I KNOW IS WYCOMBE’S ON THEIR WAY!
We’re on our way, all the way, to the Championship, we’re on our way!
Good lawd no ! There’ll probably be two additional CB positions to fill. The sliced kick didn’t exactly inspire confidence though.
PS assume you didn’t receive my text re the roofers?
I received your "email" and responded the same day. Thanks.
My tactical advice would be good enough to cover the bleeding obvious such as never letting Marcus Bean take a throw-in or not playing Bayo as a wingback. Beyond that I’m pretty clueless as to what to do, although I can usually offer ill-informed comment as to why something went wrong.
Right now the best I’ve got is get balls into the box at the same time as the King and another player are in the box and play Bradley because I like him. Also play Franco because we seemed to move the ball around faster with him in goal and I’m pretty sure that’s a good thing?
I have a particular dislike of a back 3. Like you say it's a very difficult system to get right consistently and so few players are used to it, and seem to relish it.
It can very easily end up as a 5.
We had a spell successfully adopting it in the championship, but that was a rare period where we had an absolute one off lone striker who could be absolutely unplayable and could get it and make something out of nothing dribbling past players with strength and pace.
Kone will be and probably is a "better" all round striker, but he's no Uche for those strengths he had, at least for that 6month period.
It was also a division where we were underdogs in most games so suited us more to sit deeper, with the likes of Fred whose talents are massively in attack, being happy to put in the hard yards chasing back towards his own half.
It also suited us that we could field the likes of JJ and Grimmer as wide centre backs, more used to covering the flanks. Our current back 3 are all absolute central players and not particularly at home chasing facing their own goal.
Reminds me of playing in a 5 aside team at school simply named "ten feet".
Simple and effective!
I've been reading too many LX posts and misread that first post as "roofies" rather than "roofers".
Whoops!
I’m with you on this point. I always find it interesting that no one tells a heart surgeon how he should be conducting operations, no one advises a plumber or electrician how they should be doing their jobs, no one tells the chef at their local restaurant how to cook meals, but when it comes to football some people think they know better than professionals who have spent their entire careers in the game.
'I always find it interesting that no one tells a heart surgeon how he should be conducting operations, no one advises a plumber or electrician how they should be doing their jobs, no one tells the chef at their local restaurant how to cook meals...'
You've obviously never met my wife.
As an electrician, they fucking do. and try and tell me all the cables and materials they have bought are the right ones.
I'm not sure that's the case @glasshalffull i'm sure plenty of people might have spotted this and would have had a word with the plumber. I get your point on heart surgery!
Knowing a lot of plumbers/sparkies, they get lots of advice from customers all the time. Better analogy needed...
Would be impossible for any of us as we have no idea who’s injured, still in pre season, semi fit or even worse got a long term cold.
Just kill them. (Assuming you are one of those murderers who goes into a trade. The topic of a very odd debate on here last year)