I personally don't think MB was treated very well,but that's my reading of the situation. The silence from the media team for days until they returned all jolly like and 'a busy week' became a mantra was a sign, of some turmoil I think. I don't like the sniping at an ex-player/manager either...but it's always the same people who then enjoy getting peeved at others being peeved...so it's best to just let it go now. No minds or opinions will be changed.
It's this coach and players that have to do the business now and we will definitely never know what might have happened if the things that we will probably never know the facts about had not happened.
We lose home and away to Orient in the playoffs whilst Bloomfield guides Luton to a 10 game unbeaten run at the end of the season and they stay up and never mind not being pretty, we’ll have posters swatting and doxing eachother
So Bloomfield was told apparently that his contract was not going to be renewed. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is the case he still had a season and a half to change their minds. The above comments are rumours. The facts are Luton and Bloomfield were in cahoots long before he left. And then they tried to turn Kone's head, but thankfully it didn't work.
I'll reiterate my post above again, as I feel a key point is being missed. The same people who ran Bloomfield out of town currently run our club, and have a massive impact on the culture of said club. How they treated Bloomfield remains relevant, as it speaks to how they will run the club ongoing (and likely ruin the culture, in my opinion).
I am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me - that's the point of discussion. I am glad your posts are actually engaging with the subject matter, even when you disagree with me, for instance. But this is not "middle-aged man shouts at a cloud". This is "Will our club be recognizable five years from now?"
To me the undercurrent is probably how you view football. This is a completely subjective theory, but I would posit that perhaps those who say "Our owners may be of terrible character and destroy our club ethos but they are rich! Hey-ho - come on your Chairboys!" may view the intersection of football and real life differently to those who say "Hang on - they railroaded perhaps our club's greatest servant out of town and may destroy our club culture? I am not okay with this!"
Those are both somewhat exaggerated examples for the sake of effect (well, the first one anyway), and in reality people's perspectives will lie somewhere on a spectrum, but surely....surely this whole situation is worthy of debate?
Ironically it is not a Bloomfield loyalist. But that's neither here nor there. There is a difference between "It's hard for me to trust people when they won't give sources and I am going to form my own opinion based on what I personally know" to saying something like "No one can ever know anything" which so many have said. It's patently obvious that people do know - at the very least, Rice, Bloomfield and their circles, but when you extrapolate out how many people are connected to a club and have friends and family, logic would indicate that many, many people know.
It's all a bit " believe me guv, I know what I'm talking about" lots of winks and stuff.
It's obvious though that for whatever reason there was an issue over sonething. But, also, doesn't look like the club were getting rid of Bloomfield. He, obvious didn't enjoy it so left.
It happens in management in many different companies.
But, until I know what the situation was, I dont see a bad guy in any of it, from either party.
paragraph 1: I completely see you position. Understand it. Mostly agree on you about it.
So what are you/me/we going to do about it?
Paragraph 2: even in points where I agree with you, I see it’s vital to push you on certain points because it’s also pushing me. Unless you/me/we are willing to do something about the bad things what we agree on in para 1 - we kinda are shouting at clouds.
We certainly end up shouting out each other, which as another poster pointed out, isn’t going to solve anything because posts on the gasroom rarely do and therefore will never answer the “will the club be recognisable in 5 years time” question.
paragraph 3 - I am probably 100% guilty of the “our owners are terrible, hey ho, come on you blues” as I think the majority of us are - if I’m honest. I was there by the end of the couhig era. I 100% telegraphed that this was a scenario that could to happen (new owners want there new people in 99% of the time) maybe that desensitised me to what did transpire. Does it make it right? No. But I go back to “what are you/me/we going to do about it now?”
paragraph 4: Exaggerate a point for impact? People may or may not have noticed I’m fairly well versed in that concept 😬
Which, btw, is what all of these entire posts have been about. Because I do agree with you that this is worthy of debate.
To a point.
I believe we have got to the point that the debate is going around and round in circles to the point it’s pointless continuing. We, me mostly, are going over the same point as nauseam. It’s boring people now. Apathy will kill this club not ML, Eduard however you spell his name and the one guy who actually speaks (Dan Rice)
Ergo:
Let’s stop having the same debate. What are you/me/we actually going to do about it?
Seriously.
the tl:dr is probably discussion has to end at some point and action start. Is now too soon or too late?
My personal view is that, perhaps, the French had it right with "plus ca change, plus c'et la meme chose", especially when it comes to football clubs and the influence that supporters may or may not have on things.
I have no information other than what little has been disclosed here and on other social media from which it can be inferred/concluded that it is
likely that the new owners were prepared to honour the existing contract with MB but indicated they were not inclined at this point, if ever, to offer an extension/renewal,
probable they also advised MB that the scope of his role was to change to involve him less in recruitment due to their choice to rely more on a data driven model. It equally seems MB was unhappy with this change in role.
Having found myself in a similar situation in my last employment, anyone in this position has 2 choices either carry on doing your job to the best of your ability for the remaining duration of your contract whilst asking your agent to keep you updated on appropriate jobs elsewhere moving when you find it, or you quit at the earliest opportunity. MB appearred to choose the option of finding another job asap, as was his right to do.
(I stuck it out for 6 months until I was so f***ing bored I chose to retire early as I could afford to do so).
Finally I have huge respect for MB both as a player & a coach, but I also recognise that new owners are entitled to shape the club in the way they choose as they are the paymasters and it really doesn't matter whether I or any supporters like it or not.
Since we are casting our minds back again, let’s all remember who the club servants were who told us all how well run everything was, how very solvent we were, then we suddenly weren’t and then they accidentally owned the club and then a load of land that the club used to own ended up being owned by them. Since we are reminiscing …
I am on the @Shev side of the debate (I have zero inside knowledge but there is enough actual evidence from what has been said officially to reach that conclusion).
However, despite being thoroughly disgusted with how MB was treated (as I see it) I was lucky enough to be at the Mansfield game that following weekend. In that tense, exciting, thrilling finish none of that mattered. What did matter was that I was a Wycombe Wanderers supporter and we had won.
I appreciate the response (one of the likes is from me, to clarify!).
I suppose my counter is that the type of ownership we have will remain a present relevance, and with all the will in the world, it will be hard to comment on their future moves without perspective partly shaped by their past behaviour. I know personally I will be making data-led jokes at every gaffe of theirs.
I can offer some insight on the question of a nickname as I share a surname with our new head coach.
’Doddsy’ is very much the standard choice here, though I have occasionally been dubbed ‘Ken’ by people of a certain age with no care for accuracy and ‘Doddy’ by one person who thought they were being original, which, given that they’re the only person to call me by that name, I guess they were.
There's a huge difference in our unwavering support for the club and MB being a loyal employer. I doubt if any of us could be tempted to a new club. MB has family, and income on the line we have Saturday and Tuesday. This is all too often forgotten when we can't get our heads round someone wanting to leave us so we have to come to the conclusion that it is because of something else.
Maybe it is better for people to believe that there was something afoot to push MB out the door when the reality was far more simple. Perhaps the ownership group were planning (but it appears had not finalised their plan) to replace MB in the medium to long term. Perhaps the two new parties simply didn't get on. Perhaps MBs side of the story has been told to people in the know, even though I am confident that the ownership group has not had their side similarly leaked.
But in what is being made a very complex argument I personally think it comes down to the simple fact that a guy who knows sport can be a very short career knew that his stock was hot and grasped the opportunity. He was smart enough to know that 12 months previously he was looking down on his career trajectory following a record string of results.
I feel no ill towards Luton. I hope he can turn them around. But he is history now. And one day history will be known, and when I say known not the version of Mavis in the tea room or what the guy who sometimes sits in front of my mum's cousin who heard it from a guy who delivers to a club every other Thursday.
Change is difficult to deal with. We won’t be the same club in 5+ years as @Shev suggested.
I’ve only known us as being ‘little non-league’ Wycombe, the underdog, the punching above our weight FA Cup and League Cup Semi-finalists, the last day escapes at Lincoln and Torquay, the magic of somehow getting to the championship and almost staying up with next to no real finance. The giddiness of having Tony Adam’s as manager (only to realise he was nowhere near as good a manager as a player), Gormania, John Gregory, Super Laurie Sanchez and Terry Gibson, Gaz and Matty Bloomfield, Martin O’Neil. Bayo and so much more.
We have crappy crowds for sure but very occasionally it’s full to the brim - Slough, Simmo scoring the only goal as we did the league double over Man City, Andy Rammel scoring against wolves and jumping into the pile of snow!
For me, this is our culture and it’s been brilliant, but it’s going to change with the new owner and structure. Football has changed and who knows, maybe one day we’ll ’do a Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford and challenge do a European place but we’ll still be the underdog, overachiever in a different league and time.
We have to embrace the change but we can celebrate our past, our history and make sure that the ‘new supporters’ that will come in on the back of the new money remember that.
Fuck's sake. Every time I think I'm missing the gasroom and I might come back, I find acres of this kind of shit. You're not the gasroom police, you're not even a moderator. Stop trying to police what other people post. If it's time to move on, as you have posted a million words on, then move on.
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I personally don't think MB was treated very well,but that's my reading of the situation. The silence from the media team for days until they returned all jolly like and 'a busy week' became a mantra was a sign, of some turmoil I think. I don't like the sniping at an ex-player/manager either...but it's always the same people who then enjoy getting peeved at others being peeved...so it's best to just let it go now. No minds or opinions will be changed.
It's this coach and players that have to do the business now and we will definitely never know what might have happened if the things that we will probably never know the facts about had not happened.
We lose home and away to Orient in the playoffs whilst Bloomfield guides Luton to a 10 game unbeaten run at the end of the season and they stay up and never mind not being pretty, we’ll have posters swatting and doxing eachother
So Bloomfield was told apparently that his contract was not going to be renewed. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is the case he still had a season and a half to change their minds. The above comments are rumours. The facts are Luton and Bloomfield were in cahoots long before he left. And then they tried to turn Kone's head, but thankfully it didn't work.
I'll reiterate my post above again, as I feel a key point is being missed. The same people who ran Bloomfield out of town currently run our club, and have a massive impact on the culture of said club. How they treated Bloomfield remains relevant, as it speaks to how they will run the club ongoing (and likely ruin the culture, in my opinion).
I am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me - that's the point of discussion. I am glad your posts are actually engaging with the subject matter, even when you disagree with me, for instance. But this is not "middle-aged man shouts at a cloud". This is "Will our club be recognizable five years from now?"
To me the undercurrent is probably how you view football. This is a completely subjective theory, but I would posit that perhaps those who say "Our owners may be of terrible character and destroy our club ethos but they are rich! Hey-ho - come on your Chairboys!" may view the intersection of football and real life differently to those who say "Hang on - they railroaded perhaps our club's greatest servant out of town and may destroy our club culture? I am not okay with this!"
Those are both somewhat exaggerated examples for the sake of effect (well, the first one anyway), and in reality people's perspectives will lie somewhere on a spectrum, but surely....surely this whole situation is worthy of debate?
Ironically it is not a Bloomfield loyalist. But that's neither here nor there. There is a difference between "It's hard for me to trust people when they won't give sources and I am going to form my own opinion based on what I personally know" to saying something like "No one can ever know anything" which so many have said. It's patently obvious that people do know - at the very least, Rice, Bloomfield and their circles, but when you extrapolate out how many people are connected to a club and have friends and family, logic would indicate that many, many people know.
It's all a bit " believe me guv, I know what I'm talking about" lots of winks and stuff.
It's obvious though that for whatever reason there was an issue over sonething. But, also, doesn't look like the club were getting rid of Bloomfield. He, obvious didn't enjoy it so left.
It happens in management in many different companies.
But, until I know what the situation was, I dont see a bad guy in any of it, from either party.
Or we have history repeating from when Ainsworth left.
He has a disaster at his champs club, our form plummets to oblivion. Only advantage is we're starting from 2nd not from 6/7th borderline.
Roll on Tuesday, one of the rivals drop points, win ours and all back on track.
paragraph 1: I completely see you position. Understand it. Mostly agree on you about it.
So what are you/me/we going to do about it?
Paragraph 2: even in points where I agree with you, I see it’s vital to push you on certain points because it’s also pushing me. Unless you/me/we are willing to do something about the bad things what we agree on in para 1 - we kinda are shouting at clouds.
We certainly end up shouting out each other, which as another poster pointed out, isn’t going to solve anything because posts on the gasroom rarely do and therefore will never answer the “will the club be recognisable in 5 years time” question.
paragraph 3 - I am probably 100% guilty of the “our owners are terrible, hey ho, come on you blues” as I think the majority of us are - if I’m honest. I was there by the end of the couhig era. I 100% telegraphed that this was a scenario that could to happen (new owners want there new people in 99% of the time) maybe that desensitised me to what did transpire. Does it make it right? No. But I go back to “what are you/me/we going to do about it now?”
paragraph 4: Exaggerate a point for impact? People may or may not have noticed I’m fairly well versed in that concept 😬
Which, btw, is what all of these entire posts have been about. Because I do agree with you that this is worthy of debate.
To a point.
I believe we have got to the point that the debate is going around and round in circles to the point it’s pointless continuing. We, me mostly, are going over the same point as nauseam. It’s boring people now. Apathy will kill this club not ML, Eduard however you spell his name and the one guy who actually speaks (Dan Rice)
Ergo:
Let’s stop having the same debate. What are you/me/we actually going to do about it?
Seriously.
the tl:dr is probably discussion has to end at some point and action start. Is now too soon or too late?
My personal view is that, perhaps, the French had it right with "plus ca change, plus c'et la meme chose", especially when it comes to football clubs and the influence that supporters may or may not have on things.
I have no information other than what little has been disclosed here and on other social media from which it can be inferred/concluded that it is
likely that the new owners were prepared to honour the existing contract with MB but indicated they were not inclined at this point, if ever, to offer an extension/renewal,
probable they also advised MB that the scope of his role was to change to involve him less in recruitment due to their choice to rely more on a data driven model. It equally seems MB was unhappy with this change in role.
Having found myself in a similar situation in my last employment, anyone in this position has 2 choices either carry on doing your job to the best of your ability for the remaining duration of your contract whilst asking your agent to keep you updated on appropriate jobs elsewhere moving when you find it, or you quit at the earliest opportunity. MB appearred to choose the option of finding another job asap, as was his right to do.
(I stuck it out for 6 months until I was so f***ing bored I chose to retire early as I could afford to do so).
Finally I have huge respect for MB both as a player & a coach, but I also recognise that new owners are entitled to shape the club in the way they choose as they are the paymasters and it really doesn't matter whether I or any supporters like it or not.
But that is ever the way.
Do you have a graph or any data to back this up?
6 You might get to 'do it'
Since we are casting our minds back again, let’s all remember who the club servants were who told us all how well run everything was, how very solvent we were, then we suddenly weren’t and then they accidentally owned the club and then a load of land that the club used to own ended up being owned by them. Since we are reminiscing …
What @Erroll_Sims said.
I am on the @Shev side of the debate (I have zero inside knowledge but there is enough actual evidence from what has been said officially to reach that conclusion).
However, despite being thoroughly disgusted with how MB was treated (as I see it) I was lucky enough to be at the Mansfield game that following weekend. In that tense, exciting, thrilling finish none of that mattered. What did matter was that I was a Wycombe Wanderers supporter and we had won.
Sorry, it was a sarcastic response to the weird criticism of Dodds being a hugger
I appreciate the response (one of the likes is from me, to clarify!).
I suppose my counter is that the type of ownership we have will remain a present relevance, and with all the will in the world, it will be hard to comment on their future moves without perspective partly shaped by their past behaviour. I know personally I will be making data-led jokes at every gaffe of theirs.
But that's for another day!
Another win would certainly be welcome soon! Hopefully Dodds (we need a nickname) gets off the mark sooner rather than later.
Doddley Do-Right
I can offer some insight on the question of a nickname as I share a surname with our new head coach.
’Doddsy’ is very much the standard choice here, though I have occasionally been dubbed ‘Ken’ by people of a certain age with no care for accuracy and ‘Doddy’ by one person who thought they were being original, which, given that they’re the only person to call me by that name, I guess they were.
If he has the team reverting to the "hoof it long to the big man" tactic then Dodo would seem appropriate.
There's a huge difference in our unwavering support for the club and MB being a loyal employer. I doubt if any of us could be tempted to a new club. MB has family, and income on the line we have Saturday and Tuesday. This is all too often forgotten when we can't get our heads round someone wanting to leave us so we have to come to the conclusion that it is because of something else.
Maybe it is better for people to believe that there was something afoot to push MB out the door when the reality was far more simple. Perhaps the ownership group were planning (but it appears had not finalised their plan) to replace MB in the medium to long term. Perhaps the two new parties simply didn't get on. Perhaps MBs side of the story has been told to people in the know, even though I am confident that the ownership group has not had their side similarly leaked.
But in what is being made a very complex argument I personally think it comes down to the simple fact that a guy who knows sport can be a very short career knew that his stock was hot and grasped the opportunity. He was smart enough to know that 12 months previously he was looking down on his career trajectory following a record string of results.
I feel no ill towards Luton. I hope he can turn them around. But he is history now. And one day history will be known, and when I say known not the version of Mavis in the tea room or what the guy who sometimes sits in front of my mum's cousin who heard it from a guy who delivers to a club every other Thursday.
The players can be called The Doddy Men.
"and we come from Walters Ash"
I'm thinking on my feet here....
That post is too sensible for the Gasroom!
Excellent post. A bit of common sense.
Matt Bloomfield loves our club as much as any fan.
Change is difficult to deal with. We won’t be the same club in 5+ years as @Shev suggested.
I’ve only known us as being ‘little non-league’ Wycombe, the underdog, the punching above our weight FA Cup and League Cup Semi-finalists, the last day escapes at Lincoln and Torquay, the magic of somehow getting to the championship and almost staying up with next to no real finance. The giddiness of having Tony Adam’s as manager (only to realise he was nowhere near as good a manager as a player), Gormania, John Gregory, Super Laurie Sanchez and Terry Gibson, Gaz and Matty Bloomfield, Martin O’Neil. Bayo and so much more.
We have crappy crowds for sure but very occasionally it’s full to the brim - Slough, Simmo scoring the only goal as we did the league double over Man City, Andy Rammel scoring against wolves and jumping into the pile of snow!
For me, this is our culture and it’s been brilliant, but it’s going to change with the new owner and structure. Football has changed and who knows, maybe one day we’ll ’do a Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford and challenge do a European place but we’ll still be the underdog, overachiever in a different league and time.
We have to embrace the change but we can celebrate our past, our history and make sure that the ‘new supporters’ that will come in on the back of the new money remember that.
Onwards and upwards.
with players under 5’7” to be The Diddy Men?
Supporters to be the Dodderers
Fuck's sake. Every time I think I'm missing the gasroom and I might come back, I find acres of this kind of shit. You're not the gasroom police, you're not even a moderator. Stop trying to police what other people post. If it's time to move on, as you have posted a million words on, then move on.
And on that note, I'm off again. The insufferable entitlement is just too much.