Agree with the above - people still bring up many things from the past all the time, so it's weird how this has to be an exception. Mr. Wycombe being forced out by...Wycombe - when in the autos no less - is one of the most seismic things that could possibly have happened to our club. The fact it has been played so cleverly that so many fans think it was Blooms who is disloyal, is staggering.
There are also significant consequences to our carefully crafted club culture, and that is worthy of present debate.
In Dodds first two games we have drawn with the team that Burnley 3rd in the championship drew with and drew with a team that Birmingham only beat 1-0 and Wrexham only beat with a last minute goal that should have been disallowed for a foul. The pitch was rubbish. But we are ina crisis and the new coach is crap. Get real people and look at the positives.
Of course a forum is the place to discuss things, its mad to think we'd all agree on everything, just cause we follow and want the same for a football team. In some situation you may want them to pass or shot, but at the end of day we want what's good for the club. People are allowed to judge/interpret things how they see fit. Some people will like Blooms for all he has done. Some may not like that he went to Col U of all clubs and nothing else. Some may think leaving when he did for what ever reason it may of been or what we think it may of been is by the by, some may think just cause something is hard or not the way you want it, that you shouldn't walk out on things you love. At the end of it, its someone's thought process at a particular time which may change over time/experience/knowledge. But as many have stated this is unusual times for this club.
So lets just enjoy the ride (one hell of a one) and talk like fans that stand/sit/sing/cry/dress similarly together.
There were no snide comments though. Someone said he was sniffing round for new employment and you came back in with racking over of ground that isn’t going to change anything.
Now the reason WHY he was sniffing around for new employment is because he was treated really badly and frankly, from MB position, it’s quiet right for MB to look for new employment if he was treated like he was.
I didn’t think it’s snide to suggest he was looking for new employment and the drop of in results could - either wholly or in part - have affected the squad enough to have an impact on the players and therefore results.
if anything, that would be direct evidence that Dan Rice’ decisions and treatment of MB has had a direct effect on the football pitch and should go against DR and the leadership teams treatment of him. Not that it’s snide comments about MB.
people still bring up many things from the past all the time,
Yes, but that tends to be old man nostalgia. It would be downright odd if anybody started saying MO'N would have done things differently yesterday. Bloomfield is a fresh page in the history book and we should move on and focus on whether hugging people is a sign of a complete loser.
So the original part I deleted to my response as I decided it was either purposely or accidentally provocative was: “ yeah and?”
But that does apply to this in a” Yeah, and…what are you going to do about it?” kind of way
He was treated shitty. 100%. What are you going to do about it, other than bring it up ad nauseam on a forum that can do, quite frankly and excuse the language, fuck all about it.
If you have strong feelings about it - actually DO something to address it.
The 1887 fan group was fed up with the poor atmosphere so they are doing something about it rather than just moan about it over and over and brow beat people into changing their minds.
Sure, a football forum is a great place to discuss things. It’s also a fantastic place to navel gaze and complain about things without doing anything about it because it’s too hard (like try and get a billionaire and his hires to change the way they treated an dedicated player and ex manager).
But ultimately, if you’re not willing or able to find away to do something about something your unhappy with (set up an organised group against the leadership for example) then what’s the point in just attacking people you think are slighting MB?
The original post was full of snide, negative references such as “Bloomfield’s head was turned.” His head was turned the moment he was told he wasn’t wanted.
You honestly think they forced him out with absolutely no clue as to with who was to replace him ? come on I just don't buy it . Because Mr Luton "felt" like he was being pushed out does not mean he actually was . We will likely never actually know tbf . I do not regard internal rumours from a signed up member of Gang Bloomfield as any kind of reliable evidence . What I do consider interesting is how the players seemed completely uneffected by the "ousting" of the manager who bought them all in and was so close to them . It is almost unthinkable that they would continute to be in such fine fettle despite the unjust banishment . We as a fan base seem to have a habit of putting our managers on such a high pedistal we really do . Sure there was an issue between Rice and Bloomfiled but do not underestimate Bloomfields ambition . Having watched a few of his post match interviews you would indeed think he was Mr Luton the way he blows smoke up the arses of thier fanbase . It is the way he is .
Very strange logic. Should we not debate anything about Wycombe unless we can do something about it? Team selection? Ownership changes? Manager hires?
My post is hardly attacking anyone, too. I also explained the present relevance of what having these types of people running the club. We talked about the Couhigs all through their tenure. Why would the new owners be exempt? They own us right now, as I write this - is their character irrelevant to the club? Not worthy of debate?
I actually think bringing it up (myself and others) actually has "done something about it", as it has provided counterpoint to the narrative of Blooms betraying the club.
So his head WAS turned then? That’s not snide, It’s a fact.
why it was turned is the problem. Sure, that example may not have the full context, but we all have a pretty good idea of the context don’t we? (Unless people are being obviously obtuse)
If he said, “MB head was turned only because of the interest of teams higher up” that might be considered snide as it would be a fabrication of what went on and try to say he wasn’t dedicated to the Wycombe cause when a “better” job came up.
Rather than say we will never know, it would much more honest just to say you don't know. Insisting that others don't know because you don't, is illogical.
Interesting little nugget as some seem to think we've 'gone long-ball': our two lowest pass completion percentages this season have yielded two of our biggest wins (55% v Shrewsbury, 59% v Stockport) 🤔
As I say, I tend to agree with you in regards to how MB was treated.
What I don’t agree with you on is there being an narrative of blooms betraying the club. I think a few people think that, sure. But you can’t expect people to discuss things on and open forum and then pearl clutch and complain about narratives if people also have the opposite view to you about MB.
I think the bigger narrative held by most is, “MB was probably treated badly. I wish he was still here. But he’s not and I don’t think there’s anything I can do about it. Come on you blues”
Oh, and bringing it up, isn’t actually doing anything about how MB was treated. That’s what you’re most annoyed at right? Surely?
Surely you are most annoyed at the way MB was treated rather than a few people who, for whatever reason, want to think he wasn’t treated badly?
because you’re not actually doing anything about that. That happened. Might happen again. But instead, you’re focusing on the few that said it didn’t happen.
But I guess the fight against that few is the easier fight to have.
I remember thinking we’d “gone long ball” at Brovers away earlier in the season - but it worked.
Let’s see what we can pull out of the bag on Tuesday. They seem very impressed with Butcher so far (and we all know what a player he can be) and seem to think their midfield will be weak as a result of him not playing.
Hoping for another Joe Low goal just for the bantz.
The mood in the camp during the week he left was clearly a positive one (unless Phil Catchpole is a decendent of Goebbels and pre match drills was a propoganda excersize that week ) I have no boubt Bloomfields serial interviews had a negative effect though . The performance away at Mansfield also suggested it was not a group fighting with the injustice of their Gaffer being outed .
I believe you think you know . I believe this is because someone loyal to Bloomfield (and therefore llikely to take his side ) has told you so. It really does not carry any weight that you think this if you will not elaborate . Even then unless it is very clear that your informant is very unlikely to hold any bias it still doesn't change anything in my opinion.
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Agree with the above - people still bring up many things from the past all the time, so it's weird how this has to be an exception. Mr. Wycombe being forced out by...Wycombe - when in the autos no less - is one of the most seismic things that could possibly have happened to our club. The fact it has been played so cleverly that so many fans think it was Blooms who is disloyal, is staggering.
There are also significant consequences to our carefully crafted club culture, and that is worthy of present debate.
Have I gone back in time 3 weeks
In Dodds first two games we have drawn with the team that Burnley 3rd in the championship drew with and drew with a team that Birmingham only beat 1-0 and Wrexham only beat with a last minute goal that should have been disallowed for a foul. The pitch was rubbish. But we are ina crisis and the new coach is crap. Get real people and look at the positives.
Of course a forum is the place to discuss things, its mad to think we'd all agree on everything, just cause we follow and want the same for a football team. In some situation you may want them to pass or shot, but at the end of day we want what's good for the club. People are allowed to judge/interpret things how they see fit. Some people will like Blooms for all he has done. Some may not like that he went to Col U of all clubs and nothing else. Some may think leaving when he did for what ever reason it may of been or what we think it may of been is by the by, some may think just cause something is hard or not the way you want it, that you shouldn't walk out on things you love. At the end of it, its someone's thought process at a particular time which may change over time/experience/knowledge. But as many have stated this is unusual times for this club.
So lets just enjoy the ride (one hell of a one) and talk like fans that stand/sit/sing/cry/dress similarly together.
There were no snide comments though. Someone said he was sniffing round for new employment and you came back in with racking over of ground that isn’t going to change anything.
Now the reason WHY he was sniffing around for new employment is because he was treated really badly and frankly, from MB position, it’s quiet right for MB to look for new employment if he was treated like he was.
I didn’t think it’s snide to suggest he was looking for new employment and the drop of in results could - either wholly or in part - have affected the squad enough to have an impact on the players and therefore results.
if anything, that would be direct evidence that Dan Rice’ decisions and treatment of MB has had a direct effect on the football pitch and should go against DR and the leadership teams treatment of him. Not that it’s snide comments about MB.
people still bring up many things from the past all the time,
Yes, but that tends to be old man nostalgia. It would be downright odd if anybody started saying MO'N would have done things differently yesterday. Bloomfield is a fresh page in the history book and we should move on and focus on whether hugging people is a sign of a complete loser.
So the original part I deleted to my response as I decided it was either purposely or accidentally provocative was: “ yeah and?”
But that does apply to this in a” Yeah, and…what are you going to do about it?” kind of way
He was treated shitty. 100%. What are you going to do about it, other than bring it up ad nauseam on a forum that can do, quite frankly and excuse the language, fuck all about it.
If you have strong feelings about it - actually DO something to address it.
The 1887 fan group was fed up with the poor atmosphere so they are doing something about it rather than just moan about it over and over and brow beat people into changing their minds.
Sure, a football forum is a great place to discuss things. It’s also a fantastic place to navel gaze and complain about things without doing anything about it because it’s too hard (like try and get a billionaire and his hires to change the way they treated an dedicated player and ex manager).
But ultimately, if you’re not willing or able to find away to do something about something your unhappy with (set up an organised group against the leadership for example) then what’s the point in just attacking people you think are slighting MB?
The original post was full of snide, negative references such as “Bloomfield’s head was turned.” His head was turned the moment he was told he wasn’t wanted.
Stop moaning and do something about it they said. Oh I'll do something about it and then we'll see who's moaning......
You honestly think they forced him out with absolutely no clue as to with who was to replace him ? come on I just don't buy it . Because Mr Luton "felt" like he was being pushed out does not mean he actually was . We will likely never actually know tbf . I do not regard internal rumours from a signed up member of Gang Bloomfield as any kind of reliable evidence . What I do consider interesting is how the players seemed completely uneffected by the "ousting" of the manager who bought them all in and was so close to them . It is almost unthinkable that they would continute to be in such fine fettle despite the unjust banishment . We as a fan base seem to have a habit of putting our managers on such a high pedistal we really do . Sure there was an issue between Rice and Bloomfiled but do not underestimate Bloomfields ambition . Having watched a few of his post match interviews you would indeed think he was Mr Luton the way he blows smoke up the arses of thier fanbase . It is the way he is .
Very strange logic. Should we not debate anything about Wycombe unless we can do something about it? Team selection? Ownership changes? Manager hires?
My post is hardly attacking anyone, too. I also explained the present relevance of what having these types of people running the club. We talked about the Couhigs all through their tenure. Why would the new owners be exempt? They own us right now, as I write this - is their character irrelevant to the club? Not worthy of debate?
I actually think bringing it up (myself and others) actually has "done something about it", as it has provided counterpoint to the narrative of Blooms betraying the club.
So his head WAS turned then? That’s not snide, It’s a fact.
why it was turned is the problem. Sure, that example may not have the full context, but we all have a pretty good idea of the context don’t we? (Unless people are being obviously obtuse)
If he said, “MB head was turned only because of the interest of teams higher up” that might be considered snide as it would be a fabrication of what went on and try to say he wasn’t dedicated to the Wycombe cause when a “better” job came up.
Rather than say we will never know, it would much more honest just to say you don't know. Insisting that others don't know because you don't, is illogical.
Interesting little nugget as some seem to think we've 'gone long-ball': our two lowest pass completion percentages this season have yielded two of our biggest wins (55% v Shrewsbury, 59% v Stockport) 🤔
“Completely unaffected” ? You must be joking.
As I say, I tend to agree with you in regards to how MB was treated.
What I don’t agree with you on is there being an narrative of blooms betraying the club. I think a few people think that, sure. But you can’t expect people to discuss things on and open forum and then pearl clutch and complain about narratives if people also have the opposite view to you about MB.
I think the bigger narrative held by most is, “MB was probably treated badly. I wish he was still here. But he’s not and I don’t think there’s anything I can do about it. Come on you blues”
We didn't win a game. This will keep happening when we don't win games.
If we did blow out of even the playoffs, the fury will not be a pretty thing.
To think I was going to put a cheeky comment about, like what...write a strongly worded complaint letter care of Mr Lommy?
But you had to go ever so slightly too far beyond.
Why is the Dan Rice the only person with the authority to have made Matt Bloomfield’s life so difficult that he had no choice but to leave?
Oh, and bringing it up, isn’t actually doing anything about how MB was treated. That’s what you’re most annoyed at right? Surely?
Surely you are most annoyed at the way MB was treated rather than a few people who, for whatever reason, want to think he wasn’t treated badly?
because you’re not actually doing anything about that. That happened. Might happen again. But instead, you’re focusing on the few that said it didn’t happen.
But I guess the fight against that few is the easier fight to have.
I remember thinking we’d “gone long ball” at Brovers away earlier in the season - but it worked.
Let’s see what we can pull out of the bag on Tuesday. They seem very impressed with Butcher so far (and we all know what a player he can be) and seem to think their midfield will be weak as a result of him not playing.
Hoping for another Joe Low goal just for the bantz.
There are very, very few Gasroom posts that have actually achieved anything so it seems a strange bar to put in place on this topic
Because his name is the easiest to spell.
I didn't see that game, but apparently we attempted and completed more passes than in any other league game this season 🤷
And I don’t think any of us would want him to do anything else.
But yeah, and at a different club, those protests against the Glazers probably felt like an uphill struggle at the start….
Can someone point me to the Brexit thread...I've just thought of something I should have said...
The mood in the camp during the week he left was clearly a positive one (unless Phil Catchpole is a decendent of Goebbels and pre match drills was a propoganda excersize that week ) I have no boubt Bloomfields serial interviews had a negative effect though . The performance away at Mansfield also suggested it was not a group fighting with the injustice of their Gaffer being outed .
You don’t have to compare Phil to Goebbells to also understand that the in house media team is going to focus on more positive news stories.
That’s a pretty low blow even for you.
I believe you think you know . I believe this is because someone loyal to Bloomfield (and therefore llikely to take his side ) has told you so. It really does not carry any weight that you think this if you will not elaborate . Even then unless it is very clear that your informant is very unlikely to hold any bias it still doesn't change anything in my opinion.
Haha! Absolutely!