This was a more interesting (to me) rabbit hole than I was expecting.
Im not sure you are right. Pretty much every definition of the word ‘fine’ allows the flexibility of ‘other authorities’ (or similar) to impose a fine for ‘breaking a rule’ or similar.
It also introduced to me a new word: ‘mulct’, which appears to be the more legal definition of the fine imposed in the latter case, but given the obscurity/exclusivity of the word has been replaced in common usage by the simple ‘fine’. (Probably to lawyers annoyance).
Apparently the public pillory is no longer an option but due to a small legal oversight the stocks are. A couple of days getting rotten eggs, and animal poo thrown at him might sort Barton out.
Charge People a pound a throw with the profit going to the NSPCC.
People generally refer to various types of demand for payment as a 'fine' in common usage, especially journalists who can't be bothered to research things properly, but that doesn't make it right.
Again, not correct. It is, as the acronym implies, a Fixed Penalty Notice, which you can pay as an alternative to prosecution.
If you don't believe you committed the offence, you can challenge it, and the Council may then bring a prosecution in the Magistrates' Court, where if found guilty, you will then receive an actual fine.
My view would be if in general usage people talk about a fine as a fine then it is a fine. If in a specific technical context it isn’t a fine, then fine, but surely that’s not what is relevant on the Gasroom?
You missed out the most relevant part from your link:
Within 14 days of your car being caught speeding you’ll be sent a:
Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP)
Section 172 notice
You must return the Section 172 notice within 28 days, telling the police who was driving the car.
You may have to go to court if you ignore the notice.
After you’ve sent the Section 172 notice back, you’ll be sent either a:
Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN)
letter telling you to go to court
The key bit here is the NIP. By pleading guilty, you are avoiding the need to go to court, but it then beomes a court-imposed fine, at a lesser amount that you would be fined if you contested the case in court, and lost.
I do love how some Gasroomers argue on a topic for which they are (presumably) not qualified, against someone who actually knows what he is talking about, and has the certificates to prove it.
Next, you'll be telling Matt Bloomfield which players and formation he should select, and what tactics he should employ. Oh, hang on ...
I love how some Gasroomers argue on a topic for which they are (presumably) qualified, against someone who hasn't a clue what they are talking about but is bored at work and feeling mischievous...
Those wishing a little more background on why @bargepole correctly distinguishes between penalties and fines would do well to have a look at some of Blackbelt Barrister's other videos as this is a topic which he explains very well.
What I find incredible about that tweet is that it took time to compose the visuals and create. We’ve all written or said things we regret in the heat of the moment but this took time. It comes across as almost spiteful. Incredible
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This was a more interesting (to me) rabbit hole than I was expecting.
Im not sure you are right. Pretty much every definition of the word ‘fine’ allows the flexibility of ‘other authorities’ (or similar) to impose a fine for ‘breaking a rule’ or similar.
It also introduced to me a new word: ‘mulct’, which appears to be the more legal definition of the fine imposed in the latter case, but given the obscurity/exclusivity of the word has been replaced in common usage by the simple ‘fine’. (Probably to lawyers annoyance).
Apparently the public pillory is no longer an option but due to a small legal oversight the stocks are. A couple of days getting rotten eggs, and animal poo thrown at him might sort Barton out.
Charge People a pound a throw with the profit going to the NSPCC.
The "blood eagle" torture is the best, followed by the "judus cradle"
I am sure I am right, based upon my legal qualifications, and years of experience in such matters.
The Legal Dictionary makes it clear that only the courts can impose fines: What does Fine mean ? | Legal Choices dictionary
People generally refer to various types of demand for payment as a 'fine' in common usage, especially journalists who can't be bothered to research things properly, but that doesn't make it right.
A FPN is a fine, for instance dropping litter.
Again, not correct. It is, as the acronym implies, a Fixed Penalty Notice, which you can pay as an alternative to prosecution.
If you don't believe you committed the offence, you can challenge it, and the Council may then bring a prosecution in the Magistrates' Court, where if found guilty, you will then receive an actual fine.
Pay or challenge a fixed penalty notice for an environmental offence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
My view would be if in general usage people talk about a fine as a fine then it is a fine. If in a specific technical context it isn’t a fine, then fine, but surely that’s not what is relevant on the Gasroom?
I apologise, I didn't realise that postings on the Gasroom had to be relevant.
Better not let @LX1 see this.
Don't apologise, sue him!
HM Government (alongside everybody else) seem to disagree:
https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties
Getting a Fixed Penalty Notice
If you get an FPN you can choose to plead guilty or not guilty.
If you plead guilty
You’ll have to pay a £100 fine and have 3 points added to your licence, unless you’re given the option to attend a speed awareness course.
The world you inhabit has changed*...
*Probably not that surprising since most of your posts seem to suggest that that world is circa 1957
Another example of a "fine"
https://www.gov.uk/pay-dvsa-roadside-fine
You missed out the most relevant part from your link:
Within 14 days of your car being caught speeding you’ll be sent a:
You must return the Section 172 notice within 28 days, telling the police who was driving the car.
You may have to go to court if you ignore the notice.
After you’ve sent the Section 172 notice back, you’ll be sent either a:
The key bit here is the NIP. By pleading guilty, you are avoiding the need to go to court, but it then beomes a court-imposed fine, at a lesser amount that you would be fined if you contested the case in court, and lost.
I do love how some Gasroomers argue on a topic for which they are (presumably) not qualified, against someone who actually knows what he is talking about, and has the certificates to prove it.
Next, you'll be telling Matt Bloomfield which players and formation he should select, and what tactics he should employ. Oh, hang on ...
Keep digging!
I love how some Gasroomers argue on a topic for which they are (presumably) qualified, against someone who hasn't a clue what they are talking about but is bored at work and feeling mischievous...
Come on pal, the guy has certificates!!
Certificates I tells ye.
That should automatically win him every debate ever.
‘Hello. How are you’?
’I’m fixed penalty notice thanks’.
Everyday chat.
Finally!
I've got a Cycling Proficiency Certificate, does that count? BoJo has one as well!
Every day is a school day
A little summary of the situation thus far by Blackbelt Barrister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XtGw6s2qg
Those wishing a little more background on why @bargepole correctly distinguishes between penalties and fines would do well to have a look at some of Blackbelt Barrister's other videos as this is a topic which he explains very well.
@mooneyman that's a charming piece of art, is it all your own work?
Joey has got himself in trouble again
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgxqgxyv1kpo
OK, so now I agree Vine is a bit of a dickhead
https://x.com/bencsmoke/status/1815122607966212359
That is a really horrible thing to write.
TACRITE
What I find incredible about that tweet is that it took time to compose the visuals and create. We’ve all written or said things we regret in the heat of the moment but this took time. It comes across as almost spiteful. Incredible
The latest from the other dickhead in this equation, Joey Barton trying to beat another rap:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c29dw74z3gno