Roy Keane's display against Juventus is one of the great ones of history. Scoring the first goal and dominating against the likes of Davids and Zidane in a hostile environment.
A lot of it is buried in the anti-United feeling, as well as trying to depict Keane as a mere thug. As if you could be the most important player in such a top team just by gooning around old Wimbledon style.
That tracks. I left the UK in 2000 so it is always surreal to suddenly realize something like "many people think Roy Keane was a thug and an overrated footballer." I suppose it's easier to spread that kind of nonsense with a whole generation around who never saw him. Prime Keane would walk into any team on earth right now.
Gary Neville is another one from that era who seems to have become massively underrated, with the whole "lucky to play for Fergie" nonsense.
Yes - I think Neville (though he riles people with his opinions) and Paul Scholes are two of the humblest footballers when it comes to talking about their own abilities. Scholes is basically revered by many of the greatest names in the game and you'd never know it.
I don't really respect any footballers on a personal level, per se, unless they have very clear exceptional character - so basically, pretty much most recent Wycombe players!
Given his recent complaints about leaf blowers, people not clearing up after their dogs, selfies, autographs, opponents chatting before games and so on, I suspect Keano always had the bumhole about something before he even stepped on a pitch. I think if you abuse an already very angry man when he's on the floor injured, it's safe to say he might hold a grudge and seek retribution.
Keane is now Sky's whiner in chief / panto villain, he's got nobody else to blame if his legacy is tarnished in the minds of people who probably never saw him play anyway.
As a player he was superb and achieved more than most but also had great chunks of time when he was really easy to wind up and a bit of a thug.
Think there is probably more specialisation today, where good midfielders used to be able to tackle and score goals rather than needing someone else to do the other half of the job.
Keane is another great who plays his career down. Refuses any sort of praise as "that's my job", and didn't even accept he'd been part of the European cup win because he happened to miss 1 game out of the 12 or so of the campaign.
What was odd is that they brought a little visual up, clearly showing tip of shoulder - not handball, rest of arm - handball.
Then very obviously ran pictures and stills of the ball being way down his arm. But that's VAR,and United's manager don't tend to be smart in drawing attention to these things like say a Klopp did.
And also Newcastle were running them absolutely ragged in the first 30mins too.
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Very true!
Roy Keane's display against Juventus is one of the great ones of history. Scoring the first goal and dominating against the likes of Davids and Zidane in a hostile environment.
He's absolutely an 8
Albeit with a defensive emphasis, so labelling him a defensive midfielder isn't exactly wrong
For me, I'd say Scowen is a good comp at our level - a brilliant DM who can play further up as needed.
Here is a good article about him from the premier Arsenal blog:
I would like 6 Rice please | Arseblog ... an Arsenal blog
For anyone who does not want to read it, this the key part:
A lot of it is buried in the anti-United feeling, as well as trying to depict Keane as a mere thug. As if you could be the most important player in such a top team just by gooning around old Wimbledon style.
That tracks. I left the UK in 2000 so it is always surreal to suddenly realize something like "many people think Roy Keane was a thug and an overrated footballer." I suppose it's easier to spread that kind of nonsense with a whole generation around who never saw him. Prime Keane would walk into any team on earth right now.
Gary Neville is another one from that era who seems to have become massively underrated, with the whole "lucky to play for Fergie" nonsense.
Neville plays up to it as well.
I watched the Overlap with Martin O Neill on with the pair of them (and others) and it's clear how high the regard Keane holds MON in.
Yes - I think Neville (though he riles people with his opinions) and Paul Scholes are two of the humblest footballers when it comes to talking about their own abilities. Scholes is basically revered by many of the greatest names in the game and you'd never know it.
A great player no doubt, but after what he did to Alfie Haaland - and what he said about it afterwards - idk how anyone can respect him
is this another outing for the Roy Keane ended Alfie Haaland’s career myth?
No, because that's exactly that: a myth. But his actions were still those of... Let's just say not a very nice person.
Fair enough. So you are writing off an outstanding players career because of a foul in one game that did no harm whatsoever? Each to their own….
Even as a big Keane fan it's difficult to exactly condone a revenge challenge after getting an injury a year before from a foul you've orchestrated.
But Haaland must have been a nutter thinking standing over a crocked Keane shouting abuse in his face was a clever thing to do.
Answer Dev's question. Immediately, etc etc
I don't really respect any footballers on a personal level, per se, unless they have very clear exceptional character - so basically, pretty much most recent Wycombe players!
Given his recent complaints about leaf blowers, people not clearing up after their dogs, selfies, autographs, opponents chatting before games and so on, I suspect Keano always had the bumhole about something before he even stepped on a pitch. I think if you abuse an already very angry man when he's on the floor injured, it's safe to say he might hold a grudge and seek retribution.
Phil Jones says he doesn't think Man Utd "have experienced this much suffering before". Slight exaggeration, Phil...
Keane is now Sky's whiner in chief / panto villain, he's got nobody else to blame if his legacy is tarnished in the minds of people who probably never saw him play anyway.
As a player he was superb and achieved more than most but also had great chunks of time when he was really easy to wind up and a bit of a thug.
Think there is probably more specialisation today, where good midfielders used to be able to tackle and score goals rather than needing someone else to do the other half of the job.
I'm blaming Arsenal TV but there's a lot of this sort of stuff about at the moment. Very little bothering with context.
Anyone watching the Spurs game? How is that not handball? I've given up on trying to understand this law.
Joelinton scored against Man Utd with his arm the other day, so your guess is as good as mine!
Keane is another great who plays his career down. Refuses any sort of praise as "that's my job", and didn't even accept he'd been part of the European cup win because he happened to miss 1 game out of the 12 or so of the campaign.
Furlong just clearly handled in the Swansea game too.
Bounced up off the floor onto his hand, but you'd be annoyed if not given that for your team.
JJ think it's not a pen, but he wouldn't as a defender!
Ref in this Spurs Newcastle game probably wonders why he's even there , no attempt at defending from either side, could easily be another 4-3
I get that it wasn't a 'deliberate' handball by Joelinton, but it's clearly hit his hand and possession has gone completely the other way. Madness.
I liked Keano as a player and I like him as a pundit. He's no Joey Barton. More amusingly miserable than Lawro was
What was odd is that they brought a little visual up, clearly showing tip of shoulder - not handball, rest of arm - handball.
Then very obviously ran pictures and stills of the ball being way down his arm. But that's VAR,and United's manager don't tend to be smart in drawing attention to these things like say a Klopp did.
And also Newcastle were running them absolutely ragged in the first 30mins too.
Ah yeah, that one should've been disallowed too
Can't be able to kick the ball at someone's hand and get rewarded for it.