@Twizz said:
Anyone want to add to this open letter I'm writing to the Punjabi Rams? For context read the link above.
Dear Punjabi Rams,
I'm writing to you on behalf of the Gasroom a forum dedicated to Wycombe Wanderers Football Club and we're forever fearful of losing our club because it has to trade sustainably and that is hard in League 1 & 2.
Wycombe Wanderers is more than just a football club, it’s the heartbeat of the town - the glue that brings everyone together. This was illustrated on 13th July 2020 when people of all ages, could only watch on TV as Wycombe gained promotion to the Championship for the first time.
Based on the information available to fans we are led to believe that your club, Derby County, systematically abused the EFL Profit and Sustainability rules and delayed submitting revised accounts as asked by the EFL so as to avoid a points deduction in season 2020/2021. In doing so you cheated Wycombe fans out of the opportunity to watch their club play a second season of Championship football.
If, as you say, you're aligned in not wanting clubs to cheat for an unfair advantage that goes against the integrity of the EFL why didn't you put pressure on Derby County to submit revised accounts when ask?
As fans we also feel cheated by the actions of Mel Morris and Stephen Pearce. We have been let down by the people who were supposed to be custodians of your club and now we are facing the prospect of being denied the funds which would have accompanied a second year of Championship football.
It is right that clubs found in breach of Profit & Sustainability rules are punished, and after receiving a 21-point deduction there is no denying that Derby County have been punished. Although Derby wilfully and deliberately delayed submitting the revised accounts avoid being punished in season 2020/21. As fans we cannot accept the fact that Derby County cheated us both financially and by denying us the opportunity to watch Championship Football this season.
That’s why I'm writing to you. As things stand it looks like Derby County are deliberately trying to avoid any consequences of their past actions.
Those suffering now are the fans of Wycombe Wanderers, many of whom when we were trust owned actually donated their hard-earned money into the club to keep it viable - we can’t imagine Saturdays without Wycombe Wanderers.
So I want to ask - have you considered how the actions of Derby County affected Wycombe Wanderers?
In every city & town where football means so much the club has immense value to the community. I invite you to come to a game with me and experience the “Matchday Experience” that I have.
So I appeal to your unrealistic nature and say "Get your head out of your arse, and stop blaming Wycombe Wanderers. This whole sorry mesh is a consequence of the systematic and wilful abuse of the EFLs Profit & Sustainability rules by Derby County".
Yours Sincerely
Talking on behalf of the gasroom as if it has one view isn't ideal
@Twizz said:
Anyone want to add to this open letter I'm writing to the Punjabi Rams? For context read the link above.
Dear Punjabi Rams,
I'm writing to you on behalf of the Gasroom a forum dedicated to Wycombe Wanderers Football Club and we're forever fearful of losing our club because it has to trade sustainably and that is hard in League 1 & 2.
Wycombe Wanderers is more than just a football club, it’s the heartbeat of the town - the glue that brings everyone together. This was illustrated on 13th July 2020 when people of all ages, could only watch on TV as Wycombe gained promotion to the Championship for the first time.
Based on the information available to fans we are led to believe that your club, Derby County, systematically abused the EFL Profit and Sustainability rules and delayed submitting revised accounts as asked by the EFL so as to avoid a points deduction in season 2020/2021. In doing so you cheated Wycombe fans out of the opportunity to watch their club play a second season of Championship football.
If, as you say, you're aligned in not wanting clubs to cheat for an unfair advantage that goes against the integrity of the EFL why didn't you put pressure on Derby County to submit revised accounts when ask?
As fans we also feel cheated by the actions of Mel Morris and Stephen Pearce. We have been let down by the people who were supposed to be custodians of your club and now we are facing the prospect of being denied the funds which would have accompanied a second year of Championship football.
It is right that clubs found in breach of Profit & Sustainability rules are punished, and after receiving a 21-point deduction there is no denying that Derby County have been punished. Although Derby wilfully and deliberately delayed submitting the revised accounts avoid being punished in season 2020/21. As fans we cannot accept the fact that Derby County cheated us both financially and by denying us the opportunity to watch Championship Football this season.
That’s why I'm writing to you. As things stand it looks like Derby County are deliberately trying to avoid any consequences of their past actions.
Those suffering now are the fans of Wycombe Wanderers, many of whom when we were trust owned actually donated their hard-earned money into the club to keep it viable - we can’t imagine Saturdays without Wycombe Wanderers.
So I want to ask - have you considered how the actions of Derby County affected Wycombe Wanderers?
In every city & town where football means so much the club has immense value to the community. I invite you to come to a game with me and experience the “Matchday Experience” that I have.
So I appeal to your unrealistic nature and say "Get your head out of your arse, and stop blaming Wycombe Wanderers. This whole sorry mesh is a consequence of the systematic and wilful abuse of the EFLs Profit & Sustainability rules by Derby County".
Yours Sincerely
Talking on behalf of the gasroom as if it has one view isn't ideal
Not sure there is much point in engaging. Open letters are just attention seeking bullshine. (see also former NME fave and slightly racist fan of having the Victorian vapors Morrissey...whose most recent open letter criticising Johnny Marr's criticisms of Morrissey only served to make me go and look at what Marr has said about Morrissey...of which I was totally ignorant until Morrissey mentioned it...)
@Twizz said:
Anyone want to add to this open letter I'm writing to the Punjabi Rams? For context read the link above.
Dear Punjabi Rams,
I'm writing to you on behalf of the Gasroom a forum dedicated to Wycombe Wanderers Football Club and we're forever fearful of losing our club because it has to trade sustainably and that is hard in League 1 & 2.
Wycombe Wanderers is more than just a football club, it’s the heartbeat of the town - the glue that brings everyone together. This was illustrated on 13th July 2020 when people of all ages, could only watch on TV as Wycombe gained promotion to the Championship for the first time.
Based on the information available to fans we are led to believe that your club, Derby County, systematically abused the EFL Profit and Sustainability rules and delayed submitting revised accounts as asked by the EFL so as to avoid a points deduction in season 2020/2021. In doing so you cheated Wycombe fans out of the opportunity to watch their club play a second season of Championship football.
If, as you say, you're aligned in not wanting clubs to cheat for an unfair advantage that goes against the integrity of the EFL why didn't you put pressure on Derby County to submit revised accounts when ask?
As fans we also feel cheated by the actions of Mel Morris and Stephen Pearce. We have been let down by the people who were supposed to be custodians of your club and now we are facing the prospect of being denied the funds which would have accompanied a second year of Championship football.
It is right that clubs found in breach of Profit & Sustainability rules are punished, and after receiving a 21-point deduction there is no denying that Derby County have been punished. Although Derby wilfully and deliberately delayed submitting the revised accounts avoid being punished in season 2020/21. As fans we cannot accept the fact that Derby County cheated us both financially and by denying us the opportunity to watch Championship Football this season.
That’s why I'm writing to you. As things stand it looks like Derby County are deliberately trying to avoid any consequences of their past actions.
Those suffering now are the fans of Wycombe Wanderers, many of whom when we were trust owned actually donated their hard-earned money into the club to keep it viable - we can’t imagine Saturdays without Wycombe Wanderers.
So I want to ask - have you considered how the actions of Derby County affected Wycombe Wanderers?
In every city & town where football means so much the club has immense value to the community. I invite you to come to a game with me and experience the “Matchday Experience” that I have.
So I appeal to your unrealistic nature and say "Get your head out of your arse, and stop blaming Wycombe Wanderers. This whole sorry mesh is a consequence of the systematic and wilful abuse of the EFLs Profit & Sustainability rules by Derby County".
Yours Sincerely
Talking on behalf of the gasroom as if it has one view isn't ideal
I disagree
Which you wouldn't be able to do if we all shared one view.
@Twizz said:
Anyone want to add to this open letter I'm writing to the Punjabi Rams? For context read the link above.
Dear Punjabi Rams,
I'm writing to you on behalf of the Gasroom a forum dedicated to Wycombe Wanderers Football Club and we're forever fearful of losing our club because it has to trade sustainably and that is hard in League 1 & 2.
Wycombe Wanderers is more than just a football club, it’s the heartbeat of the town - the glue that brings everyone together. This was illustrated on 13th July 2020 when people of all ages, could only watch on TV as Wycombe gained promotion to the Championship for the first time.
Based on the information available to fans we are led to believe that your club, Derby County, systematically abused the EFL Profit and Sustainability rules and delayed submitting revised accounts as asked by the EFL so as to avoid a points deduction in season 2020/2021. In doing so you cheated Wycombe fans out of the opportunity to watch their club play a second season of Championship football.
If, as you say, you're aligned in not wanting clubs to cheat for an unfair advantage that goes against the integrity of the EFL why didn't you put pressure on Derby County to submit revised accounts when ask?
As fans we also feel cheated by the actions of Mel Morris and Stephen Pearce. We have been let down by the people who were supposed to be custodians of your club and now we are facing the prospect of being denied the funds which would have accompanied a second year of Championship football.
It is right that clubs found in breach of Profit & Sustainability rules are punished, and after receiving a 21-point deduction there is no denying that Derby County have been punished. Although Derby wilfully and deliberately delayed submitting the revised accounts avoid being punished in season 2020/21. As fans we cannot accept the fact that Derby County cheated us both financially and by denying us the opportunity to watch Championship Football this season.
That’s why I'm writing to you. As things stand it looks like Derby County are deliberately trying to avoid any consequences of their past actions.
Those suffering now are the fans of Wycombe Wanderers, many of whom when we were trust owned actually donated their hard-earned money into the club to keep it viable - we can’t imagine Saturdays without Wycombe Wanderers.
So I want to ask - have you considered how the actions of Derby County affected Wycombe Wanderers?
In every city & town where football means so much the club has immense value to the community. I invite you to come to a game with me and experience the “Matchday Experience” that I have.
So I appeal to your unrealistic nature and say "Get your head out of your arse, and stop blaming Wycombe Wanderers. This whole sorry mesh is a consequence of the systematic and wilful abuse of the EFLs Profit & Sustainability rules by Derby County".
Yours Sincerely
Talking on behalf of the gasroom as if it has one view isn't ideal
I disagree
Which you wouldn't be able to do if we all shared one view.
Sorry, that was a slightly rubbish attempt at humour
@mooneyman said:
I would have thought Rooney should pay for his own statue.
My opinion of Rooney had risen over the last few months as he had worked really hard in such a difficult situation without considering jumping ship to Everton. However it has now plummeted again if he is so arrogant as to condone his statue being erected.
I remember seeing some hidden camera sort of program, where they were trying to get Rooney to pay 50k to do something to do with protecting some animals or very similar.
I know he's loaded, but his instant reaction was a "can we do this?" to his agent next to him, obviously unaware it was for a tv show.
Mel Morris has surfaced and said he's willing to front up to the two claims in the high court.....
No idea if that's viable even if it should be (as it was Derby who took our place in the league, not MM himself), but things are definitely going to start getting interesting now.
Attacking parachute payments (which Derby had themselves received in the past) whilst seemingly having no contrition for his own actions that have left DCFC staring into the abyss
Does anyone associated with that club live in the same world as the rest of us???
@StrongestTeam He is helping, isn't he? He's allowing for the Wanderers and Boro claims to be tested in court, against him personally, and the rest of the claims to be settled by the administrators. We should welcome that if our claim to the administrators is as robust as Rob Couhig thinks.
Separating MM from Derby is probably a positive step as far as I understand it. And it’ll stop people thinking we’re in any way responsible for Derby’s issues.
@our_frank said: @StrongestTeam He is helping, isn't he? He's allowing for the Wanderers and Boro claims to be tested in court, against him personally, and the rest of the claims to be settled by the administrators. We should welcome that if our claim to the administrators is as robust as Rob Couhig thinks.
I think this is potentially very good news. It would allow Rob Couhig to pursue what he feels is a valid claim for compensation, whilst giving Derby County and their fans a better chance of staying in existence
@our_frank said: @StrongestTeam He is helping, isn't he? He's allowing for the Wanderers and Boro claims to be tested in court, against him personally, and the rest of the claims to be settled by the administrators. We should welcome that if our claim to the administrators is as robust as Rob Couhig thinks.
I don't think he is, I could be wrong but it looks like a bit of a shakedown. He was asked to sign something to say that he'd cover any resulting claims, instead he's shifting to asking for types of actions that would be very expensive to bring in the high court and are less likely to succeed as he didn't personally directly benefit. He also managed 4 pages without really addressing years of overspending and debts he's run away from. It also kills the idea that he's not directly involved and holding out for more £.
@our_frank said: @StrongestTeam He is helping, isn't he? He's allowing for the Wanderers and Boro claims to be tested in court, against him personally, and the rest of the claims to be settled by the administrators. We should welcome that if our claim to the administrators is as robust as Rob Couhig thinks.
I think this is potentially very good news. It would allow Rob Couhig to pursue what he feels is a valid claim for compensation, whilst giving Derby County and their fans a better chance of staying in existence
Possible, it certainly asks RC to put up or shut up. Which is a bit weird when the administrators won't call him or Boro. But we now know Morris is still in charge.
I accept that he's not addressing the years of mismanagement and his many and various iniquities, but he is surely offering to help with the narrow sticking point of the Boro and Wycombe claims.
He will cover the claims, so long as they are upheld in court. And if you're confident in the claims, the costs are neither here nor there, are they, because we're going to win, right? I may think they are an opportunist, tactical ruse, but there are clearly a lot of people on here and elsewhere who think they are copper-bottomed, so we just need to put our case in the High Court.
Mel Morris has surfaced and said he's willing to front up to the two claims in the high court.....
No idea if that's viable even if it should be (as it was Derby who took our place in the league, not MM himself), but things are definitely going to start getting interesting now.
Brilliant move by Mel Morris. Let's see how much Rob Couhig believes he really has a case. If he goes to High Court and loses that will cost him or Wycombe serious money. Does Mr Couhig really want to take that risk on such a spurious case? Something tells me he won't.
Very good on Mel Morris for pushing this back to Rob Couhig. We don't have a culture of suing for every perceived mislight in this country and we shouldn't want to go down that route. All it does is enrich small-town lawyers at everyone else's expense.
Was it MM or Derby County who finished 1pt and 1 place above us in the championship table? I can't see action against the former proving fruitful-maybe that's the point a big distraction?
@floyd said: @aloysius I don’t know what your problem with RC is, but you might be the only person in football saying things like ‘very good on Mel Morris.’
Indeed. A brilliant move by MM would be donating the ground or paying the tax bill.
Mel Morris has surfaced and said he's willing to front up to the two claims in the high court.....
No idea if that's viable even if it should be (as it was Derby who took our place in the league, not MM himself), but things are definitely going to start getting interesting now.
Brilliant move by Mel Morris. Let's see how much Rob Couhig believes he really has a case. If he goes to High Court and loses that will cost him or Wycombe serious money. Does Mr Couhig really want to take that risk on such a spurious case? Something tells me he won't.
Very good on Mel Morris for pushing this back to Rob Couhig. We don't have a culture of suing for every perceived mislight in this country and we shouldn't want to go down that route. All it does is enrich small-town lawyers at everyone else's expense.
Do you just get off making really bizarre totally against the grain posts?
It isn't a good development, what he should be doing is indemnifying Derby against our claims and gifting them back the ground.
We don't have a claim against MM, and he knows that, but against Derby County so how can we take a claim against him to court - its all designed to paint him in a good light.
RC won't fall for it.
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Talking on behalf of the gasroom as if it has one view isn't ideal
I disagree
Not sure there is much point in engaging. Open letters are just attention seeking bullshine. (see also former NME fave and slightly racist fan of having the Victorian vapors Morrissey...whose most recent open letter criticising Johnny Marr's criticisms of Morrissey only served to make me go and look at what Marr has said about Morrissey...of which I was totally ignorant until Morrissey mentioned it...)
Which you wouldn't be able to do if we all shared one view.
You do realise, @StrongestTeam, that I'm only parodying what they wrote?
Any open letter should probably be written by DrC and then polled before sending.
Mainly hot air either way, at least the tone of it isnt aggressive or accusatory unlike their general forum view
Sorry, that was a slightly rubbish attempt at humour
I remember seeing some hidden camera sort of program, where they were trying to get Rooney to pay 50k to do something to do with protecting some animals or very similar.
I know he's loaded, but his instant reaction was a "can we do this?" to his agent next to him, obviously unaware it was for a tv show.
The letter wasn't that bad
Mine would be far fewer words. Probably just two.
Mel Morris has surfaced and said he's willing to front up to the two claims in the high court.....
No idea if that's viable even if it should be (as it was Derby who took our place in the league, not MM himself), but things are definitely going to start getting interesting now.
Oh dear, I think he thinks he's helping. Pay your debts you jumped up prick.
Attacking parachute payments (which Derby had themselves received in the past) whilst seemingly having no contrition for his own actions that have left DCFC staring into the abyss
Does anyone associated with that club live in the same world as the rest of us???
If only they had some assets that could be used to pay their debts .....
I wondered how long it would take for him to crawl out from under his rock
@StrongestTeam He is helping, isn't he? He's allowing for the Wanderers and Boro claims to be tested in court, against him personally, and the rest of the claims to be settled by the administrators. We should welcome that if our claim to the administrators is as robust as Rob Couhig thinks.
Separating MM from Derby is probably a positive step as far as I understand it. And it’ll stop people thinking we’re in any way responsible for Derby’s issues.
Not sure why Derby would be liable for anything then...if MM is taking full responsibility.
exactly @floyd
If the administrators are refusing to meet either ourselves or Boro how do we know that there is an impasse. Rob won’t fall for this
I think this is potentially very good news. It would allow Rob Couhig to pursue what he feels is a valid claim for compensation, whilst giving Derby County and their fans a better chance of staying in existence
I don't think he is, I could be wrong but it looks like a bit of a shakedown. He was asked to sign something to say that he'd cover any resulting claims, instead he's shifting to asking for types of actions that would be very expensive to bring in the high court and are less likely to succeed as he didn't personally directly benefit. He also managed 4 pages without really addressing years of overspending and debts he's run away from. It also kills the idea that he's not directly involved and holding out for more £.
Possible, it certainly asks RC to put up or shut up. Which is a bit weird when the administrators won't call him or Boro. But we now know Morris is still in charge.
I accept that he's not addressing the years of mismanagement and his many and various iniquities, but he is surely offering to help with the narrow sticking point of the Boro and Wycombe claims.
He will cover the claims, so long as they are upheld in court. And if you're confident in the claims, the costs are neither here nor there, are they, because we're going to win, right? I may think they are an opportunist, tactical ruse, but there are clearly a lot of people on here and elsewhere who think they are copper-bottomed, so we just need to put our case in the High Court.
Brilliant move by Mel Morris. Let's see how much Rob Couhig believes he really has a case. If he goes to High Court and loses that will cost him or Wycombe serious money. Does Mr Couhig really want to take that risk on such a spurious case? Something tells me he won't.
Very good on Mel Morris for pushing this back to Rob Couhig. We don't have a culture of suing for every perceived mislight in this country and we shouldn't want to go down that route. All it does is enrich small-town lawyers at everyone else's expense.
Was it MM or Derby County who finished 1pt and 1 place above us in the championship table? I can't see action against the former proving fruitful-maybe that's the point a big distraction?
@aloysius I don’t know what your problem with RC is, but you might be the only person in football saying things like ‘very good on Mel Morris.’
Indeed. A brilliant move by MM would be donating the ground or paying the tax bill.
Do you just get off making really bizarre totally against the grain posts?
It isn't a good development, what he should be doing is indemnifying Derby against our claims and gifting them back the ground.
We don't have a claim against MM, and he knows that, but against Derby County so how can we take a claim against him to court - its all designed to paint him in a good light.
RC won't fall for it.