#signshirley
Despite the clanger against WH in the friendly I am still very much in the #signshirley camp as I believe he is an excellent keeper that would challenge Rocky for the number one shirt and that he adds a lot to the squad with his character and experience.
Intrigued to know what everyone else thinks on this though.
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It depends on wages for me. If he’d command a big wage, I think it would be better spent elsewhere. We have Yates waiting in the wings who will get some game time in the B team to keep him fresh. The focus ought to be on bringing through youth over past it veterans.
I’m far from convinced. What exactly is the question @Noodle_Noggin that folk are being asked to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to?
Sorry. I hadn’t spotted the slightly strange #signshirley bit. So, presumably it’s should we sign Shirley?
I believe he has been a decent ‘keeper.
Sorry for any confusion. Yes to Sign And No to Not sign.
I don’t feel qualified to judge.
I dont think Yates is a viable second keeper for this season. I'd probably prefer us to try and find a young loanee GK who would command a lower wage contribution than Stockdale, but I suspect that may be easier said than done. If we can't, I'd have Stockdale in a heartbeat. Stacks of experience, clearly a quality keeper and a popular member of the squad. I'm personally not worried if he dropped a couple of clangers in a PSF - very much doubt Gareth would be either.
A player doesn't stay a quality player forever though. Just ask Duberry.
Are these errors a bit of rustiness or has he massively dropped off? Gaz will know.
Very true. Although at 34 he's still a good age for a GK...
Remember Yates doesn't qualify as a "professional GK" under the rules and hence we could go with one GK plus Yates on bench bringing in a loanee if Allsopp got injured/banned. Risk of that would be if Allsopp simply lost form/confidence. Believe transfer window doesnt close until some way into season.
Just get the best loanee available
Each season
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I totally understand why people would think a loanee. However, they usually still command the wage to be covered either fully or partially and if Stocko's demands are reasonable then the financial side of things might be irrelevant.
I also don't think he's past it at 34. Many keepers have gone on a lot longer. His fitness and confidence seemed lacking when he first arrived but I believe the first has been dealt with.
Problem with getting the best available loanee is the parent club will have a certain expectation that they play. At the moment, I can't see Allsop being dropped as number one.
That is it for me. Happy to see Stockdale join if he gets in as a number one but he does seem to be losing his powers without playing and would be a risky reserve.
If we can afford him and given the number of games we will have next term I am quite happy for a Rocky/Stockdale rotating duo, but I'm less worried about Rocky between the sticks than some.
Rotating you goalkeeper is a big no! Ipswich did that last season and it was a complete disaster (even if this is Lambert we're talking about).
I'm no Lambert, I am far more scientific. I suggest they arm wrestle before each match to decide who plays @chairboyscentral
This.
If you were a Premier League club would you loan a promising goalkeeper to a club with League One/Two facilities, if he's just going to sit on the bench. We don't even have the Checkatrade this year for them to get a run out.
I know they'd pick up some valuable mental stuff from an Ainsworth/Dobbo dressing room but they want them to get game time.
I think, for this season at least, if we can strengthen defence and midfield (as well as the 20 goal a year striker of course) Rocky is a decent bet to be Number 1 even if we have doubled our revenue!
Sorry, but from what I've seen so far (v Blackpool, MK, West Ham), I've not been impressed.
I reckon we stand a better chance of survival with a new first-choice keeper who has a better command of his area.
Of course not.
Do you think we have league 2 facilities out of interest? Or league 1?
How have Sunderland's premier league facilities gone down recently?
What was that expensive room they had in that doc? Didn't get used!
I spent a day filming inside the WWFC training ground as part of a work project two seasons ago, and all I'll say as a non-expert is that it didn't look Championship to me!
He would be if we got a much better goalkeeper.
Mind games. Surely we want every team to turn up and think they are in an FA Cup tie with a tinpot lower league club?
If we were going to sign Stocks surely we would have by now. To be sure GA is working on bringing in a loanee.
If Stockdale genuinely needs a number of games to be competitive again it would be tricky then having him as a backup. Those that see him in training would have a better idea but he's made errors in all the games he's played since he came back. Couple of decent performances and this would all be forgotten of course.
I’m not convinced from what I have seen he is better than what we have got. We need a keeper to compete with Allsop. For me he doesn’t.
Big no to signing Stockdale, been far from the required level whenever played and the wage hed want would be huge. Could do a hell of a lot better, its a shame to have missed out on Blackman