Will have to compete a lot harder at the weekend against Lu’on - FGR walked through our midfield quite a few times .... however we rested our key players today so a decent workout for the fringes
No, I expect gape and morris will be back plus .... Whoever GA thinks is the best option to play against our fellow league 1 rivals from the uk's most scummy town.
Im So on the fence with matt bloomfield right now.... He is in no doubt Mr Wycombe. He will give 100% until he rolls over and passes out... But is he league 1 quality? Questionable in my own opinion. He is the Keith Ryan of 2018. Loved, legend, gives his all... But not the most naturally gifted player. There will be games where industry and experience will play a vital roll and others where we need flair and skill i guess??
McCarthy was very impressive this evening, a real athlete. A word on Reuben Reid, that's the fittest ive ever seen him and he has now reached 30, perhaps he's on the Vegan diet. Still a handful. although i thought Stewart played him pretty well.
I didn't think it was that terrible a game. Obviously, 4 goals in the second half helped. But to the extent it was boring, I felt that this largely down to FGR's style of play. So-called pretty football can be less appealing than our more direct approach
@OakwoodExile said:
I didn't think it was that terrible a game. Obviously, 4 goals in the second half helped. But to the extent it was boring, I felt that this largely down to FGR's style of play. So-called pretty football can be less appealing than our more direct approach
I thought FGR were excellent on the ball and created lots of space and opportunities. Our back four were decent again last night (though JJ was very stretched on his flank again) so there weren't a tonne of clear scoring chances, but there were many occasions when their build-up play deserved more reward.
Our style, on the other hand, was very thin gruel and, along with pretty average execution, was what largely made the game somewhat unexciting for me. It was rather like some of our more dour, grindy performances last season, I thought at the time.
There’s a lot of snobbery attached to football ‘style’. It’s become very fashionable to play out from the back and whilst it’s easier on the eye and aesthetically pleasing, is it more effective than a more direct approach? You say that FGR’s build up play ‘deserved more reward’ but the counter argument is that they were over indulgent and played too many passes giving Wycombe the chance to re-group and get behind the ball. It’s an interesting debate.
I agree there's more than one way to skin a cat but mine was not at all an aesthetic judgement.
FGR's play created space and opportunity. Their style was purposeful and not remotely self-indulgent. They combined patience in possession with excellent movement and, when the time was right, rapid interpassing that created the space to get in behind the midfield, especially wide. It was a somewhat more effective version of the style they were trying to play against us both times last season. It was good to watch because it was both skilful and effective, even if they couldn't necessarily make as much of it in front of goal as they might have wished.
They were given far to much space in midfield. On a number of occasions their centre of midfield player had 10 to 15 yards to run into. I don’t think they would have had that much possession with the midfield we lined up against Bradford for instance. On the plus side they did try to play football and Archibald created a lot of chances from JJs side of the pitch.
Both clubs played weakened teams though.
I thought FGR were the better side and have improved alot from last season but the main thing is we got through. Hope we get one of the big boys in the next round.
@glasshalffull said:
There’s a lot of snobbery attached to football ‘style’. It’s become very fashionable to play out from the back and whilst it’s easier on the eye and aesthetically pleasing, is it more effective than a more direct approach? You say that FGR’s build up play ‘deserved more reward’ but the counter argument is that they were over indulgent and played too many passes giving Wycombe the chance to re-group and get behind the ball. It’s an interesting debate.
I wasn’t at the game last night so can’t comment on the performance in this particular match, but in principal I completely agree.
I’m not even sure that playing out from the back is easier on the eye. Akinfenwa muscling his way to a long ball and controlling it with great skill is a beautiful thing to watch.
I noted that FGR passed every single one of their dangerous free kicks sideways or backwards - until the one they scored, which was the only one they put in the box...
Also, the attendance figures look very off fo me. There were clearly far more people there than the Northampton game, but the official attendance was lower...
I find it really quite hard to capture exactly what I want to say about this in words and I've obviously failed so far. But there is possession football with a purpose and there is passing it around at the back and they are not always the same thing.
I thought actually a lot of FGR's football last night was the latter - we were perfectly happy to let them have the ball in their own half and pass it between the centre backs and the goalkeeper. There were times when this so-called possession football was just boring. And quite a lot of FGR's most dangerous moments actually came from long balls out to Archibald (?) on the right. And their first goal came from a punt down the pitch.
That is not to say that at times FGR didn't play very good and incisive football with a lot of one and two touch passing to feet. I'm just not sure how much the passing it between the centre backs and the goalkeeper contributed to that.
I don't really believe that there is such a thing as "good football" or "bad football".
Football, like pretty much anything in life has to be assessed in the context in which it takes place. A case in point is the recently discussed FA cup replay at Selhurst Park. Watch the video of it now, in the cold light of day and it's a really dull, low quality game of football.
And yet it was unquestionably the greatest night of my football watching life. One of the two greatest games I have ever been lucky enough to see.
Look at Simon Garner's first goal at Wembley. Came from a massive hoof upfield. We went absolutely mental with delirium. There are countless other examples.
I think "style of play" matters most when you're mid table with nothing to play for. Other than that, if you're in a cup tie, or fighting for promotion, or battling relegation, it really doesn't matter, as long as you win (*)
(*) I don't include cheating or gamesmanship in this
@OakwoodExile Wasn't there last night, but sounds like FGR played with the same well-intentioned yet ultimately ineffective style that they did at AP last season. I remember you mentioned it to a Forest Green fan on the train back into London and he said he was pretty fed up with the way Cooper had them playing. Sounds like they haven't really progressed much. Odd really, as Doidge seems more of an old-fashioned style centre forward who would benefit more from balls into the box.
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A wins a win.... I'll take that! A draw and two wins in the last 3.... Onwards and upwards!!
As long as it doesn't affect our promotion push, it would be nice to have another great run in this competition
Will have to compete a lot harder at the weekend against Lu’on - FGR walked through our midfield quite a few times .... however we rested our key players today so a decent workout for the fringes
Can’t imagine any of it midfield three will start on Saturday based on tonight.
No, I expect gape and morris will be back plus .... Whoever GA thinks is the best option to play against our fellow league 1 rivals from the uk's most scummy town.
It's Matt Bloomfield's to lose isn't it?
Im So on the fence with matt bloomfield right now.... He is in no doubt Mr Wycombe. He will give 100% until he rolls over and passes out... But is he league 1 quality? Questionable in my own opinion. He is the Keith Ryan of 2018. Loved, legend, gives his all... But not the most naturally gifted player. There will be games where industry and experience will play a vital roll and others where we need flair and skill i guess??
Not that matty has no skill btw... You know what I mean....
McCarthy was very impressive this evening, a real athlete. A word on Reuben Reid, that's the fittest ive ever seen him and he has now reached 30, perhaps he's on the Vegan diet. Still a handful. although i thought Stewart played him pretty well.
Keith Ryan was an excellent footballer and if it wasn't for some untimely injuries would have had an opportunity to play at a higher level.
As others have said Bloomfield lacks consistency but he's a willing workhorse which fits nicely into the system at present.
I didn't think it was that terrible a game. Obviously, 4 goals in the second half helped. But to the extent it was boring, I felt that this largely down to FGR's style of play. So-called pretty football can be less appealing than our more direct approach
Also, Bayo most effective he's been this season? Although not helped by an unsympathetic referee
Alex Samuels...what a debut. Strong fast and intelligent footballer, a younger version of McKail Smith
Kashket looking sharp, Samuel did a couple of nice runs, PCH back, decent forward options although Freeman was a bit quiet.
McCarthy is a class apart.
Let's hope for a big draw on Thursday!
Second half Nick Freeman excellent. Beating defenders with great skill and supplying cross after cross.
Each to their own I suppose
I thought FGR were excellent on the ball and created lots of space and opportunities. Our back four were decent again last night (though JJ was very stretched on his flank again) so there weren't a tonne of clear scoring chances, but there were many occasions when their build-up play deserved more reward.
Our style, on the other hand, was very thin gruel and, along with pretty average execution, was what largely made the game somewhat unexciting for me. It was rather like some of our more dour, grindy performances last season, I thought at the time.
There’s a lot of snobbery attached to football ‘style’. It’s become very fashionable to play out from the back and whilst it’s easier on the eye and aesthetically pleasing, is it more effective than a more direct approach? You say that FGR’s build up play ‘deserved more reward’ but the counter argument is that they were over indulgent and played too many passes giving Wycombe the chance to re-group and get behind the ball. It’s an interesting debate.
I agree there's more than one way to skin a cat but mine was not at all an aesthetic judgement.
FGR's play created space and opportunity. Their style was purposeful and not remotely self-indulgent. They combined patience in possession with excellent movement and, when the time was right, rapid interpassing that created the space to get in behind the midfield, especially wide. It was a somewhat more effective version of the style they were trying to play against us both times last season. It was good to watch because it was both skilful and effective, even if they couldn't necessarily make as much of it in front of goal as they might have wished.
They were given far to much space in midfield. On a number of occasions their centre of midfield player had 10 to 15 yards to run into. I don’t think they would have had that much possession with the midfield we lined up against Bradford for instance. On the plus side they did try to play football and Archibald created a lot of chances from JJs side of the pitch.
Both clubs played weakened teams though.
I thought FGR were the better side and have improved alot from last season but the main thing is we got through. Hope we get one of the big boys in the next round.
I wasn’t at the game last night so can’t comment on the performance in this particular match, but in principal I completely agree.
I’m not even sure that playing out from the back is easier on the eye. Akinfenwa muscling his way to a long ball and controlling it with great skill is a beautiful thing to watch.
@Chris couldn't disagree more, but have probably said before.
Bit of an underwhelming game, and we should have seen it off in 90mins, but you have to suck a few games up like this every so often.
In the 3rd round, for maybe our second time only is it?
Roll on a good draw to a giant away from home.
Failing that, Oxford or the lowest ranked club left at home.
I noted that FGR passed every single one of their dangerous free kicks sideways or backwards - until the one they scored, which was the only one they put in the box...
Also, the attendance figures look very off fo me. There were clearly far more people there than the Northampton game, but the official attendance was lower...
I find it really quite hard to capture exactly what I want to say about this in words and I've obviously failed so far. But there is possession football with a purpose and there is passing it around at the back and they are not always the same thing.
I thought actually a lot of FGR's football last night was the latter - we were perfectly happy to let them have the ball in their own half and pass it between the centre backs and the goalkeeper. There were times when this so-called possession football was just boring. And quite a lot of FGR's most dangerous moments actually came from long balls out to Archibald (?) on the right. And their first goal came from a punt down the pitch.
That is not to say that at times FGR didn't play very good and incisive football with a lot of one and two touch passing to feet. I'm just not sure how much the passing it between the centre backs and the goalkeeper contributed to that.
I don't really believe that there is such a thing as "good football" or "bad football".
Football, like pretty much anything in life has to be assessed in the context in which it takes place. A case in point is the recently discussed FA cup replay at Selhurst Park. Watch the video of it now, in the cold light of day and it's a really dull, low quality game of football.
And yet it was unquestionably the greatest night of my football watching life. One of the two greatest games I have ever been lucky enough to see.
Look at Simon Garner's first goal at Wembley. Came from a massive hoof upfield. We went absolutely mental with delirium. There are countless other examples.
I think "style of play" matters most when you're mid table with nothing to play for. Other than that, if you're in a cup tie, or fighting for promotion, or battling relegation, it really doesn't matter, as long as you win (*)
(*) I don't include cheating or gamesmanship in this
@OakwoodExile Wasn't there last night, but sounds like FGR played with the same well-intentioned yet ultimately ineffective style that they did at AP last season. I remember you mentioned it to a Forest Green fan on the train back into London and he said he was pretty fed up with the way Cooper had them playing. Sounds like they haven't really progressed much. Odd really, as Doidge seems more of an old-fashioned style centre forward who would benefit more from balls into the box.