Mr Kim is quite right. I think it's become a thing that Defenders are constantly claiming King Kone has elbowed them (sometimes with possible good reason) and I thought we were lucky with a couple of the decisions that might have gone against us yesterday.
Officials can be influenced by crowds, other players and reputations to be sure...but I fear there is no need for shady parties to pay off some of the tubbies who cannot 'keep up' in L1! 😉
Genuinely I think most of the "negativity" is a form of gallows humour to entertain ourselves when the game is dull. I know it must be traumatic to read in retrospect, but it gives us something to do while the ball is being played between Norris, Low, Bradley and Taylor and they are assembling the telescope to locate Kone marooned in the other half.
I don't think there is a supporter on here that is upset we won!
I remain optimistic and positive because there’s enough negativity and pessimism on here to make even glasshalfempty’s cup spilleth over. I constantly have to check the league table to make sure we really are 3rd from top and not 3rd from bottom.
Clearly people have forgotten where we are from, hundreds locked out against Slough Town ( two hard fought matches), Teletext hero, i.e skint, brassic, potless Roy Essandoh, leaping like a salmon for his only (?) goal for our club, Neil Emblen's winner vs. The Imps, The Miracle of Torquay 2014, Away at The Spireites 2018, we are the luckiest punters ever. Mike Dodds, lovely man by the way, has just come in won two on the spin, inherited who knows what and where from and why, has just come in and won two on the spin.
Don't quite know what peoples' expectations are/were about 2024/25 but they have already exceeded mine.
Jeez, would you give the fella a break and give your heads a wobble?
Not everyone can understand high class coaching, I can see it singing through in our fluid flowing football. Dodds does talk very well, is likeable, makes fair assessments, but these never seem to shine through on the pitch or anything alter. A win is a win but very hard to watch at times..
Someone was spot on earlier, no-one is upset at the result. In fact about eleventy hundred people have trotted some sort of "this time of season" cliche out about it.
We'd just be a bit a more positive if we didn't line up with a formation clearly just to scuffle a draw out until 60 when we bring the attackers on. Although this could be genius when we play the harder games away.
Under Ainsworth we used to waste time to a ridiculous extent, and the ball boys used to be called away from the touchline when we were winning, and we narrowed the pitch, and he said "possession can do one" and it was all "lol we're the best" "special club" "timewasting bastards we know what we are" etc etc
Seems to me that some fans' assessment is driven by whether they already like the manager or not
Mike Dodds seems like a very decent bloke, and he seems very highly regarded within the game. I'm fully behind him and excited to see if we can achieve the amazing feat of promotion this season. It's so exciting, and weirdly you come on here and it feels like an ordeal
If you assume that the majority of the Gasroom are "regular supporters" - then I'm not surprised that people don't go to games. We moan about the team we love even when we win. It's not exactly an advert for people that don't go as regularly/at all.
Agree with all three of the posts above to a degree, but this is about the matchday threads. To Eric's point, I remember GA games where the dull style was criticized during the match - home to Birmingham and away to Barnsley (both Champo season, I think) come to mind very vividly, and there were many others.
Agree with Mooney that Blooms was dull initially, but we all called the games dull at the time too - I don't recall anyone pretending to enjoy some of those early difficult fixtures.
I would ask - how should a matchday thread go if a game is dull? Everyone just expressing ecstasy that we are no longer having to play Slough? This is not meaning-of-life stuff here, just football supporters processing a game as it happens. Coming on the thread afterwards to criticize negativity is like someone on a sunny evening criticizing people complaining about standing in the rain earlier.
Dodds may well come good - but it is instructive when people criticize a formation before the game and that criticism is borne out by what happens. It took until almost halftime to have a touch in the Lincoln area at home yesterday. It's okay to find that a little less than inspiring, while still hoping we get promoted and Dodds turns into prime Klopp.
I dare say every match day thread for every club is full of in the moment moans and frustrations.
Not much different to being at a game, except that the comment is permanently etched onto the screen and doesn't look great when looking back rather than saying it and it fading into nothingness.
Im disappointed in you. I use the time we faff around at the back to catch up on all my work emails… (which I don’t do during working hours cos I’m too busy on here bemoaning the likely tactics we will employ against Banbury United in the 9th tier of English football in 8 years time…)
I can only speak for myself, but this season under Blooms, I went into each game not being able to see how ANY opposition could stop us scoring at least two (and usually that was right).
Under Dodds, I go into each game wondering where our single goal is going to come from (Rotherham late barrage aside) and am also usually correct in anticipating difficulty in manufacturing goals. I have missed a lot of chunks of matches by being so tediously bored that I did something else for a while.
It's not rocket science to see why the contrast hurts the current style. I can see why it is more fair to compare Dodds to early Bloomfield rather than peak Bloomsball, but it is hard to feel as entertained. For me it feels like going from watching 70s Brazil to 1860 Paint Dryer's Association F.C. in the space of half a season.
If you find the current football thrilling? Great! That is a perfectly valid way to see it and I am happy for you. I also am perfectly open to the football getting better and better as Dodds gets his feet under the table more and more, just like Blooms. But I do find the subtext to be people trying to establish that they are better fans because they are always positive, which is both condescending and tiresome.
I was thinking exactly the same this morning. The best way to increase our crowds is for us to sell it to our family, friends, neighbours etc. Having read some of what I have just read looks we can’t do that even when we are 3 points off second place with a game in hand as we enter April
Faffing around at the back, as you call it, is very much the fashionable way of playing from Premier League to National League and Mike is a young and modern coach so it’s understandable that he favours playing that way. I’m old school and loved watching two wingers and two ‘little and large’ strikers but hardly any professional teams use that system any more. There was constant criticism of the more direct approach employed by Gareth Ainsworth and now of the more controlled play under Dodds but you can’t have it both ways. I may be in the minority here but I have always believed that winning is the most important thing in football and I am happy to embrace any style if it produces results.
Dodds seemingly has an obsession with having “control of the ball”. But Wycombe’s strength this season under Bloomfield was not having control of the ball, it was about being effective with the ball, pressing high and being bold with an attacking focus. The success of the style was that others didn’t do it. Now Dodds seems to be hell bent on copying other fashionable styles when he should be looking back on what served Wycombe so well this season.
I will be honest. I reckon MOST Premier League games are fairly dull too. It's not that often that you witness a crazy end to end game full of excitement.
For me, at the level we are it - I can accept playing to our strengths and getting results over watching nice football and I'm not sure how good that can actually be at League 1 level. We are in this league for a reason and it's because we are not as good as 50+ teams in the country.
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Mr Kim is quite right. I think it's become a thing that Defenders are constantly claiming King Kone has elbowed them (sometimes with possible good reason) and I thought we were lucky with a couple of the decisions that might have gone against us yesterday.
Officials can be influenced by crowds, other players and reputations to be sure...but I fear there is no need for shady parties to pay off some of the tubbies who cannot 'keep up' in L1! 😉
Genuinely I think most of the "negativity" is a form of gallows humour to entertain ourselves when the game is dull. I know it must be traumatic to read in retrospect, but it gives us something to do while the ball is being played between Norris, Low, Bradley and Taylor and they are assembling the telescope to locate Kone marooned in the other half.
I don't think there is a supporter on here that is upset we won!
We could have been arguing about semi final allocations right now
Good spot! I once got 2 per cent in a maths exam for getting my name and the date right so it’s not exactly my strongest subject.
I remain optimistic and positive because there’s enough negativity and pessimism on here to make even glasshalfempty’s cup spilleth over. I constantly have to check the league table to make sure we really are 3rd from top and not 3rd from bottom.
The 'does anyone really think' thread was the nadir.
Losing to Wrexham makes them favourites but we have at least a 40pc chance. If you can't get behind a 40pc chance then you haven't got a chance.
As the old saying goes
We are all behind @peterparrotface 's Palace now
I read at least one describe it as depressing
Clearly people have forgotten where we are from, hundreds locked out against Slough Town ( two hard fought matches), Teletext hero, i.e skint, brassic, potless Roy Essandoh, leaping like a salmon for his only (?) goal for our club, Neil Emblen's winner vs. The Imps, The Miracle of Torquay 2014, Away at The Spireites 2018, we are the luckiest punters ever. Mike Dodds, lovely man by the way, has just come in won two on the spin, inherited who knows what and where from and why, has just come in and won two on the spin.
Don't quite know what peoples' expectations are/were about 2024/25 but they have already exceeded mine.
Jeez, would you give the fella a break and give your heads a wobble?
Or maybe just let people feel how they feel?
Some people find the current goal-per-game and isolated Kone style a little dull. That's fine.
It's also fine to look at every game through the lens of how far we have come and always feel thrilled in context. That's fine too.
Not everyone can understand high class coaching, I can see it singing through in our fluid flowing football. Dodds does talk very well, is likeable, makes fair assessments, but these never seem to shine through on the pitch or anything alter. A win is a win but very hard to watch at times..
The chuckle caused by someone reading Mr DJ's post out at half time yesterday was probably the highlight of the day entertainment wise!
That or some furious bloke screaming "WE SHOULD HAVE SOLD YOU IN JAN" after Kone miscontrolled his second one of the day.
Someone was spot on earlier, no-one is upset at the result. In fact about eleventy hundred people have trotted some sort of "this time of season" cliche out about it.
We'd just be a bit a more positive if we didn't line up with a formation clearly just to scuffle a draw out until 60 when we bring the attackers on. Although this could be genius when we play the harder games away.
Yet another season where we'll fight to the last day for something.
We've had an incredibly low amount of midtable, season done by April seasons in the last 10-15.
I think Dodds needs to be given a few more games before we label his coaching as uninspiring and boring.
I personally found Blooms first 6 months in charge very hard to watch (sorry @Shev), but he turned it around eventually.
Under Ainsworth we used to waste time to a ridiculous extent, and the ball boys used to be called away from the touchline when we were winning, and we narrowed the pitch, and he said "possession can do one" and it was all "lol we're the best" "special club" "timewasting bastards we know what we are" etc etc
Seems to me that some fans' assessment is driven by whether they already like the manager or not
Mike Dodds seems like a very decent bloke, and he seems very highly regarded within the game. I'm fully behind him and excited to see if we can achieve the amazing feat of promotion this season. It's so exciting, and weirdly you come on here and it feels like an ordeal
If you assume that the majority of the Gasroom are "regular supporters" - then I'm not surprised that people don't go to games. We moan about the team we love even when we win. It's not exactly an advert for people that don't go as regularly/at all.
Agree with all three of the posts above to a degree, but this is about the matchday threads. To Eric's point, I remember GA games where the dull style was criticized during the match - home to Birmingham and away to Barnsley (both Champo season, I think) come to mind very vividly, and there were many others.
Agree with Mooney that Blooms was dull initially, but we all called the games dull at the time too - I don't recall anyone pretending to enjoy some of those early difficult fixtures.
I would ask - how should a matchday thread go if a game is dull? Everyone just expressing ecstasy that we are no longer having to play Slough? This is not meaning-of-life stuff here, just football supporters processing a game as it happens. Coming on the thread afterwards to criticize negativity is like someone on a sunny evening criticizing people complaining about standing in the rain earlier.
Dodds may well come good - but it is instructive when people criticize a formation before the game and that criticism is borne out by what happens. It took until almost halftime to have a touch in the Lincoln area at home yesterday. It's okay to find that a little less than inspiring, while still hoping we get promoted and Dodds turns into prime Klopp.
I dare say every match day thread for every club is full of in the moment moans and frustrations.
Not much different to being at a game, except that the comment is permanently etched onto the screen and doesn't look great when looking back rather than saying it and it fading into nothingness.
Im disappointed in you. I use the time we faff around at the back to catch up on all my work emails… (which I don’t do during working hours cos I’m too busy on here bemoaning the likely tactics we will employ against Banbury United in the 9th tier of English football in 8 years time…)
And the context? Unimportant when you want to feel superior I guess.
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I can only speak for myself, but this season under Blooms, I went into each game not being able to see how ANY opposition could stop us scoring at least two (and usually that was right).
Under Dodds, I go into each game wondering where our single goal is going to come from (Rotherham late barrage aside) and am also usually correct in anticipating difficulty in manufacturing goals. I have missed a lot of chunks of matches by being so tediously bored that I did something else for a while.
It's not rocket science to see why the contrast hurts the current style. I can see why it is more fair to compare Dodds to early Bloomfield rather than peak Bloomsball, but it is hard to feel as entertained. For me it feels like going from watching 70s Brazil to 1860 Paint Dryer's Association F.C. in the space of half a season.
If you find the current football thrilling? Great! That is a perfectly valid way to see it and I am happy for you. I also am perfectly open to the football getting better and better as Dodds gets his feet under the table more and more, just like Blooms. But I do find the subtext to be people trying to establish that they are better fans because they are always positive, which is both condescending and tiresome.
I was thinking exactly the same this morning. The best way to increase our crowds is for us to sell it to our family, friends, neighbours etc. Having read some of what I have just read looks we can’t do that even when we are 3 points off second place with a game in hand as we enter April
Context is we're 3 points behind 2nd with a game in hand and a superior goal difference with a handful of games to go
Here you go Eric. Here's the context.
We need to channel Arsenal under George Graham where the fans loved boring 1-0 wins.
Faffing around at the back, as you call it, is very much the fashionable way of playing from Premier League to National League and Mike is a young and modern coach so it’s understandable that he favours playing that way. I’m old school and loved watching two wingers and two ‘little and large’ strikers but hardly any professional teams use that system any more. There was constant criticism of the more direct approach employed by Gareth Ainsworth and now of the more controlled play under Dodds but you can’t have it both ways. I may be in the minority here but I have always believed that winning is the most important thing in football and I am happy to embrace any style if it produces results.
Dodds seemingly has an obsession with having “control of the ball”. But Wycombe’s strength this season under Bloomfield was not having control of the ball, it was about being effective with the ball, pressing high and being bold with an attacking focus. The success of the style was that others didn’t do it. Now Dodds seems to be hell bent on copying other fashionable styles when he should be looking back on what served Wycombe so well this season.
I will be honest. I reckon MOST Premier League games are fairly dull too. It's not that often that you witness a crazy end to end game full of excitement.
For me, at the level we are it - I can accept playing to our strengths and getting results over watching nice football and I'm not sure how good that can actually be at League 1 level. We are in this league for a reason and it's because we are not as good as 50+ teams in the country.