I believe what he meant is that an ex-professional is better equipped to recognise when a player is deliberately exaggerating the severity of a tackle in order to get his opponent red carded.
ah ok. I doubt that they take the player's reaction into account when looking at the tackle but I could be wrong. As with a lot of things with football I don't think this particular incident is black and white. I think you can make a case for it to be red, and you can make a case for it to be yellow. For this reason I can't see it being overruled. It certainly wasn't a howler.
It's a shame the Birmingham player can't be retrospectively booked for his play acting though. It was utterly pathetic. I might be old school but I will never understand players pretending to be injured when they are not. When I used to play you'd go out of your way to show that you weren't hurt, even if you were. That said, if we start down that road then there would be a lot of goalkeepers booked for that thing they do when they sit on the ground and tell the ref they need to see a physio whilst the rest of the team trot over to the sideline for instructions from the coach (and yes, sadly our keepers are guilty of this as well, along with pretty much every other keeper in the league)
It's just about the thing I hate most about football at the moment. I'm at the point where I think if a keeper goes down "injured" and "needs" "treatment" they should be made to leave the field for a bit the same as outfield players
(just read all this back and I don't half sound old)
I am probably more of a dinosaur than you so I agree about pretending not to be hurt being a point of pride (I’m still like that now in walking football!) but I guess the modern professional will do anything to help his team win. On your point about keepers feigning injury, perhaps the solution is to copy American Football and allow teams a couple of time outs per game.
Yes, the yelp (for the TV mikes) and roll that has become the norm in the Premier League is irritating.
I have to agree that although I thought it was a yellow at the time, I could also see why the ref would give it as a red even without 26,000 people screaming 'Off!'
I can’t remember the player’s name but the Blackpool lad who was felled by Hartridge gave out an almighty shriek. I thought his foot had snapped in two judging by the reaction but then he went on to score the equaliser?
Regarding the old days and players pretending to be injured or not, I have only one question:
Do you think the “magic sponge” was actually magic and made a players injury suddenly disappear, or could it have been the “injuries” that required physio treatment weren’t as bad as the initial pain/shock of a hit was and they just needed a moment to pull themselves together a bit? Even in the old days.
As with many things, the injury play acting is just the same thing that’s always happened, but pushed to extremes because it’s not as easy to con an advantage out of a ref.
Interestingly when you watch games from the olden days either the fouls were fairy taps or the players were much much tougher. Very little time spent on the deck.
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Yes exactly.
I believe what he meant is that an ex-professional is better equipped to recognise when a player is deliberately exaggerating the severity of a tackle in order to get his opponent red carded.
ah ok. I doubt that they take the player's reaction into account when looking at the tackle but I could be wrong. As with a lot of things with football I don't think this particular incident is black and white. I think you can make a case for it to be red, and you can make a case for it to be yellow. For this reason I can't see it being overruled. It certainly wasn't a howler.
It's a shame the Birmingham player can't be retrospectively booked for his play acting though. It was utterly pathetic. I might be old school but I will never understand players pretending to be injured when they are not. When I used to play you'd go out of your way to show that you weren't hurt, even if you were. That said, if we start down that road then there would be a lot of goalkeepers booked for that thing they do when they sit on the ground and tell the ref they need to see a physio whilst the rest of the team trot over to the sideline for instructions from the coach (and yes, sadly our keepers are guilty of this as well, along with pretty much every other keeper in the league)
It's just about the thing I hate most about football at the moment. I'm at the point where I think if a keeper goes down "injured" and "needs" "treatment" they should be made to leave the field for a bit the same as outfield players
(just read all this back and I don't half sound old)
I am probably more of a dinosaur than you so I agree about pretending not to be hurt being a point of pride (I’m still like that now in walking football!) but I guess the modern professional will do anything to help his team win. On your point about keepers feigning injury, perhaps the solution is to copy American Football and allow teams a couple of time outs per game.
I feel that would be letting them win!
Yes, the yelp (for the TV mikes) and roll that has become the norm in the Premier League is irritating.
I have to agree that although I thought it was a yellow at the time, I could also see why the ref would give it as a red even without 26,000 people screaming 'Off!'
How about if a keeper needs attention all players should gather in centre circle until play resumes?
I can’t remember the player’s name but the Blackpool lad who was felled by Hartridge gave out an almighty shriek. I thought his foot had snapped in two judging by the reaction but then he went on to score the equaliser?
Talk of the red card has just reminded me that Cousins only got a yellow for THAT tackle!
Regarding the old days and players pretending to be injured or not, I have only one question:
Do you think the “magic sponge” was actually magic and made a players injury suddenly disappear, or could it have been the “injuries” that required physio treatment weren’t as bad as the initial pain/shock of a hit was and they just needed a moment to pull themselves together a bit? Even in the old days.
As with many things, the injury play acting is just the same thing that’s always happened, but pushed to extremes because it’s not as easy to con an advantage out of a ref.
Interestingly when you watch games from the olden days either the fouls were fairy taps or the players were much much tougher. Very little time spent on the deck.
An interesting peer-reviewed scientific paper on the source of the "magic" in magic sponges.
POTY, @ReadingMarginalista. "A cold sponge revives a dazed player" = concussion protocol.