I'm not professing admiration for any of Johnson, Trump or Farage. I'm simply saying that all three of those reach parts of the electorate that other politicians cannot reach.
If the left, in the form of the Labour party, expect to hold on to power in 2029, they need to find a charismatic leader who engages with the hopes and fears of a substantial proportion of the voters. And that person is not Keir Starmer, nor is it Angela Rayner or Rachel Reeves.
Seemed to work this time, probably as a counterbalance to the charlatans and posers before.
A second term is a more difficult sell obviously and some measure of success is needed you can't just say "we're not crazy like that lot" forever. Well not unless you want weekly elections like the Italians.
It's also difficult to predict at this stage what the biggest right leaning option will be , and how "loony" it might appear.
Lots of screaming and shouting through the whole process and claims of silent majorities, all a bit dull tbh, the press seem far more interested in the show than the issues.
Personally I just hope all the farmers who brought traffic to a standstill in London with their tractors the other day get similarly lengthy jail terms to the Just Stop Oil protesters who did something vaguely similar.
The mighty @Chickenhead introduced politics into this thread, aided and abetted (of course) by @Malone. So this fully paid up champagne socialist and member of the metropolitan liberal elite respectfully suggests any complaints are sent in that direction.
What are the transfer fees for Keir Starmer, Kemi Badenoch, and Nigel Farage? I suspect they are quite low, considering none could fill a bathtub to put their heads under.
I started one at the end of last year. Everybody wanted Starmer and Kamala Harris to win and thought I was doing one of my 'whimsical surreal' posts when I disagreed with them. Then Harris lost and Starmer turned out to be shit and everybody tiptoed away.
Not sure how the current discussion came about, but football and politics are inextricably intertwined - more so than ever. It's not like someone introduced a totally irrelevant topic like, idk, cheese.
Another example of many: in Francoist Spain, clubs were banned from having foreign names, hence Atlético Madrid are called Atlético Madrid (they were originally Athletic).
Newcastle owners are from Saudi Arabia, a nation governed under Islamic law where the king is head of the government; Man.City owners are from the UAE which is known as the most liberal of all the Gulf states; PSG owners are from Qatar where I believe they have no political affiliations; Francoism ended in Spain 50 years ago.
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I'm not professing admiration for any of Johnson, Trump or Farage. I'm simply saying that all three of those reach parts of the electorate that other politicians cannot reach.
If the left, in the form of the Labour party, expect to hold on to power in 2029, they need to find a charismatic leader who engages with the hopes and fears of a substantial proportion of the voters. And that person is not Keir Starmer, nor is it Angela Rayner or Rachel Reeves.
Seemed to work this time, probably as a counterbalance to the charlatans and posers before.
A second term is a more difficult sell obviously and some measure of success is needed you can't just say "we're not crazy like that lot" forever. Well not unless you want weekly elections like the Italians.
It's also difficult to predict at this stage what the biggest right leaning option will be , and how "loony" it might appear.
Lots of screaming and shouting through the whole process and claims of silent majorities, all a bit dull tbh, the press seem far more interested in the show than the issues.
Personally I just hope all the farmers who brought traffic to a standstill in London with their tractors the other day get similarly lengthy jail terms to the Just Stop Oil protesters who did something vaguely similar.
Or am I hopelessly naïve (and/or a loony lefty)?
Yes.
Why don't you put all this crap on the "Not Football" category?
Mooneyman, I am getting seriously concerned as I keep finding myself agreeing with your posts!
Perhaps you should target the people that started the politics on this thread rather than the Tory target!
The mighty @Chickenhead introduced politics into this thread, aided and abetted (of course) by @Malone. So this fully paid up champagne socialist and member of the metropolitan liberal elite respectfully suggests any complaints are sent in that direction.
I should have just thrown a milkshake at @Chickenhead I apologise for getting involved.
Can we keep the politics to the not football thread please?
Can we not tell people where to discuss what?
No
What are the transfer fees for Keir Starmer, Kemi Badenoch, and Nigel Farage? I suspect they are quite low, considering none could fill a bathtub to put their heads under.
Rightwing nutter.
Can we not just have a dedicated politics thread and leave all the experts to it ?
I agree, football provides enough reasons to have heated debates without introducing the even more divisive world of politics.
I started one at the end of last year. Everybody wanted Starmer and Kamala Harris to win and thought I was doing one of my 'whimsical surreal' posts when I disagreed with them. Then Harris lost and Starmer turned out to be shit and everybody tiptoed away.
I wonder what Lommy's politics are?
Yeah, most unlike the Gasroom to wander off topic, isn't it.
Not sure how the current discussion came about, but football and politics are inextricably intertwined - more so than ever. It's not like someone introduced a totally irrelevant topic like, idk, cheese.
That shouldn't need pointing out, but people do seem rather flustered when the SCARY WORLD OF POLITICS comes up. It's real life - you can't escape it.
Genuinely interested to know why you think football and politics are inextricably intertwined?
Have you seen who owns Newcastle, Manchester City, PSG etc?
Mikheil Kavelashvili (ex Man City) is the current President of Georgia. This can only be a good thing for Lommy's football plans. Somehow,
In fact, our previous owner was a Republican mayoral candidate in New Orleans, was he not?
And Kakha Kaladze (ex-Milan) is the mayor of Tbilisi
Hakan Sukur was an MP
George Weah
Another example of many: in Francoist Spain, clubs were banned from having foreign names, hence Atlético Madrid are called Atlético Madrid (they were originally Athletic).
Newcastle owners are from Saudi Arabia, a nation governed under Islamic law where the king is head of the government; Man.City owners are from the UAE which is known as the most liberal of all the Gulf states; PSG owners are from Qatar where I believe they have no political affiliations; Francoism ended in Spain 50 years ago.
Maybe go and have another listen to David Wheeler's exit interview from last week?