He's a Wycombe legend, but if he steals Kone off us wrecking our promotion campaigns, it'll sour a bit.
We forgave the running off to Col Utd - just our hated long term non league rivals - that's all, he's got a free pass on this leaving the 2nd time, he could have just kicked it out at Wembley...but this would turn the tide a little 🤑
Although someone on here was laughing at the idea we're funding all these new signings because Kone is getting sold - wouldn't be laughing if it was actually the case!
You are aware that in Wales' last international squad, only 4 of the 26 players selected, played for either Cardiff or Swansea? All the players selected where in the Championship or above and that's what Joe has been looking at. I think his international prospects will get noticed wherever he plays in the UK. Yes, being closer to home might be a draw but that hasn't stopped him from going to teams like Eastleigh, Walsall on loan and then signing for us to get games.
@Brownie@Malone surely That Bloomfield cannot 'steal Kone' from us, thus destroying both his legacy and our hopes of promotion, unless the management group sell him.
Casual Wycombe fans will barely care. Neutrals won’t give a toss.
Dan & Ed could’ve nipped this in the bud by offering Blooms a better deal and inserting a hands off clause if he did go. The fact they did neither is for them to ponder on.
Wait - so many people have been applying the strawman arguments of "well within their rights" and "these things happen in football" to Dan Rice's treatment of Bloomfield, but suddenly Bloomfield is not "well within his rights" to try and purchase a player he brought to Wycombe in the first place out of professionalism to his new employer?
I agree that Blooms' reputation will be damaged among a large section of fans, and already is. But I see that as people being a bunch of ingrates who see him as a cartoon character who belongs to them rather than a human being with a family and a career to think about.
Of course he's within his right - and my "Mr Wycombe" jibes are all tongue in cheek - but I think a majority of Wycombe fans won't see it that way. I'm already seeing folk on twitter who were angry at the club for letting him go now suggesting Blooms trying to pull our squad apart would damage their view of him. It's certainly not just a "bunch of ingrates" who would change their view of MB if he was to relentlessly pursue our best players.
Agree to disagree. If someone has given 20+ years of very good service and moved on to further their career - and let's take that step completely separate from the views on Dan Rice to be as fair as possible and take it in isolation - him doing what is best for his new employer should not raise any hackles if we are being fair. We have every right to say "no", and we have! I doubt Rice is weeping on his spreadsheet about the sheer disgrace of being offered millions of pounds for a player Blooms signed and developed into what he is now! If anything the fact we can turn the bid down is us flexing our financial muscles.
The squad is likely to already have four or five players who arrived post-Blooms by the time even this current window has settled! By the time the summer is out we might have most of a first team who never met the chap!
'I admire Bloomfield for his tenacity as a player, for surviving a turbulent period for the club and then for his efforts in the first half of the season and while I am disappointed, I can see that he and the new owners did not see eye to eye about the future and he had to leave. But if he comes round here with his mates in his Luton tracksuit, driving his people carrier round the car park, giving it large, talking about being wanted, unsettling our players, knocking over the cones, nicking the bibs and laughing and pointing at our makeshift management team, I would say 'Oi! Bloomfield NOOOO!!'
I saw an interesting interview with Ben Foster once, where he basically said that unless you have a really significant tie to a club, such as having a long tenure or were a childhood fan, most players don't really care about the club itself, because they know the same fans singing their name one week will be saying "get rid" the next.
The reality is that even goes for long tenures - I am sure a few that have been singing "There's only one Matt Bloomfield" are some of the same ones saying the "Mr. Wycombe" title should be rescinded.
It's not worth being concerned with opinions that are likely to change with the wind.
Can’t we put all this stuff on the Bloomfield to Luton thread and leave this for rumours about potential new signings. I have a lot of respect for Matt but he is gone now and we can move on with confidence.
Don't think it was a joke. It was a mixture of media bullshine and a show of affection from a large section of the fans. As someone has pointed out...he was getting it in the neck for most of last season.
You can't say he's an ambitious man who was offered an opportunity because football is a business, loyalty is a myth and the club was happy to let him go (as is their right) and then moan about the high high esteem he was held in when he was here.
Gaz left us with a chance of the playoffs, but because it was QPR it was understandable and his legacy is untarnished.
I’m hoping that Kone stays, scores 20 in the league and a few in the cup and begins next season in the Championship with us. And is then sold for tens of millions to a Premier League side. But that is a gamble for him and us if offers of Championship football are on the table right now.
I don’t get the sense he’s unhappy with us but if he’s offered more money and a bigger stage right now I’m sure he’d be tempted. Our ownership team probably don’t need to sell him right now to raise capital but they will have analysed the data and will know what factors suggest the optimum time to sell is - amount someone is willing to pay, what the data science suggests about winning and losing with and without him and other players in the squad, how the player will respond if an offer is rejected. Sentiment or what supporters might like to happen won’t come into any of their thinking. It’s a business and their metrics for success include more than winning - academy, profit and loss and so on. Winning and promotion may help achieve their measures of success but reducing the odds of winning now for a huge cash injection can be a reasonable business decision in football.
So he may go, he may stay - duh. I’m about 50:50 on it myself.
At least we wont be forced to to sell him for buttons to avoid going under.
Fair enough - for what it's worth, I think the debate will drop off massively once a new head coach comes in. I think the managerial vacuum lends itself to continued discussion, especially given the contentious nature of what has happened.
I think the new chap will (hopefully) at least symbolize the first water flowing under the bridge. Add to that all the new players that did not play under Blooms, and it will feel like quite a clean slate considering.
It fascinates me how a number of people on here know for a fact that it was that big horrible Rice dog who forced Bloomfield out with his evil ways and scheming mischief . I mean it's almost as if they witnessed it! I have no doubt there was a disagreement between the pair on how things were to be run but it is almost as if Bloomfield can't do any wrong . Now there are even people blaming Rice for Luton coming in for Kone , You could not make it up 🤣. I appreciate we at Wycombe seem to put our managers on a pedestal and raise their worth to the heavens and back but just because Bloomfield "felt" unwanted does not mean this should automatically be taken as a reasonable stance in the circumstances . Witnessing some of his actions since getting into management I think the force of ambition is strong in him and I am not entirely convinced he is the hard done little bundle of love that some do .
We do know - aside from any ITK statements so that people who think they don't exist won't pout - that Rice sacked people around Blooms, refused to even say his name, and did not offer an extension, though.
I don't think you are ever dealing with 100% right and wrong when it comes to two fallible humans, but even if you want to stick your head in the stand and say ITKs don't exist, there are some pretty obvious indicators that Rice was making Blooms as uncomfortable and unwanted as possible, ranging from the passive aggressive to the outright aggressive.
Still yet to see anyone explain non-vaguely what they KNOW happened. It should be possible to do that without throwing your sources under the bus. It's just been one big ITK-off without any concrete facts, and the ITKs shouting the doubters down.
How can something be considered a fact without sources? If someone says something as fact without a source, the natural response is "source?" I guarantee people won't just take assertive statement as fact.
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He's a Wycombe legend, but if he steals Kone off us wrecking our promotion campaigns, it'll sour a bit.
We forgave the running off to Col Utd - just our hated long term non league rivals - that's all, he's got a free pass on this leaving the 2nd time, he could have just kicked it out at Wembley...but this would turn the tide a little 🤑
Although someone on here was laughing at the idea we're funding all these new signings because Kone is getting sold - wouldn't be laughing if it was actually the case!
They’ve lost 5 out of the last 6 games with the level of players they have.
You are aware that in Wales' last international squad, only 4 of the 26 players selected, played for either Cardiff or Swansea? All the players selected where in the Championship or above and that's what Joe has been looking at. I think his international prospects will get noticed wherever he plays in the UK. Yes, being closer to home might be a draw but that hasn't stopped him from going to teams like Eastleigh, Walsall on loan and then signing for us to get games.
There's always a chance a team 2nd bottom 28 games into a season can go down. Make no mistake.
Exactly, Joe is a Cardiff boy.
Evening Danuard. How’s the search for the new coach going?
@Brownie @Malone surely That Bloomfield cannot 'steal Kone' from us, thus destroying both his legacy and our hopes of promotion, unless the management group sell him.
Casual Wycombe fans will barely care. Neutrals won’t give a toss.
Dan & Ed could’ve nipped this in the bud by offering Blooms a better deal and inserting a hands off clause if he did go. The fact they did neither is for them to ponder on.
Playing the man rather than the ball is normally a sign you either have no argument, or don't have the ability to make one effectively.
Wait - so many people have been applying the strawman arguments of "well within their rights" and "these things happen in football" to Dan Rice's treatment of Bloomfield, but suddenly Bloomfield is not "well within his rights" to try and purchase a player he brought to Wycombe in the first place out of professionalism to his new employer?
I agree that Blooms' reputation will be damaged among a large section of fans, and already is. But I see that as people being a bunch of ingrates who see him as a cartoon character who belongs to them rather than a human being with a family and a career to think about.
Of course he's within his right - and my "Mr Wycombe" jibes are all tongue in cheek - but I think a majority of Wycombe fans won't see it that way. I'm already seeing folk on twitter who were angry at the club for letting him go now suggesting Blooms trying to pull our squad apart would damage their view of him. It's certainly not just a "bunch of ingrates" who would change their view of MB if he was to relentlessly pursue our best players.
It certainly wouldn't be brilliant if Bloomfield takes Kone would it.
Agree to disagree. If someone has given 20+ years of very good service and moved on to further their career - and let's take that step completely separate from the views on Dan Rice to be as fair as possible and take it in isolation - him doing what is best for his new employer should not raise any hackles if we are being fair. We have every right to say "no", and we have! I doubt Rice is weeping on his spreadsheet about the sheer disgrace of being offered millions of pounds for a player Blooms signed and developed into what he is now! If anything the fact we can turn the bid down is us flexing our financial muscles.
The squad is likely to already have four or five players who arrived post-Blooms by the time even this current window has settled! By the time the summer is out we might have most of a first team who never met the chap!
Very true.
I think it would just show that being 'Mr Wycombe' doesn't mean he's going to let sentiment get in the way of him doing his job. And fair enough.
'I admire Bloomfield for his tenacity as a player, for surviving a turbulent period for the club and then for his efforts in the first half of the season and while I am disappointed, I can see that he and the new owners did not see eye to eye about the future and he had to leave. But if he comes round here with his mates in his Luton tracksuit, driving his people carrier round the car park, giving it large, talking about being wanted, unsettling our players, knocking over the cones, nicking the bibs and laughing and pointing at our makeshift management team, I would say 'Oi! Bloomfield NOOOO!!'
I would say POTD but this is about your fifth that qualifies so far!
Exactly, the whole Mr Wycombe thing has been a joke.
Indeed. He's Luton Town manager Matt Bloomfield first and foremost.
I saw an interesting interview with Ben Foster once, where he basically said that unless you have a really significant tie to a club, such as having a long tenure or were a childhood fan, most players don't really care about the club itself, because they know the same fans singing their name one week will be saying "get rid" the next.
The reality is that even goes for long tenures - I am sure a few that have been singing "There's only one Matt Bloomfield" are some of the same ones saying the "Mr. Wycombe" title should be rescinded.
It's not worth being concerned with opinions that are likely to change with the wind.
Can’t we put all this stuff on the Bloomfield to Luton thread and leave this for rumours about potential new signings. I have a lot of respect for Matt but he is gone now and we can move on with confidence.
Don't think it was a joke. It was a mixture of media bullshine and a show of affection from a large section of the fans. As someone has pointed out...he was getting it in the neck for most of last season.
You can't say he's an ambitious man who was offered an opportunity because football is a business, loyalty is a myth and the club was happy to let him go (as is their right) and then moan about the high high esteem he was held in when he was here.
Gaz left us with a chance of the playoffs, but because it was QPR it was understandable and his legacy is untarnished.
I’m hoping that Kone stays, scores 20 in the league and a few in the cup and begins next season in the Championship with us. And is then sold for tens of millions to a Premier League side. But that is a gamble for him and us if offers of Championship football are on the table right now.
I don’t get the sense he’s unhappy with us but if he’s offered more money and a bigger stage right now I’m sure he’d be tempted. Our ownership team probably don’t need to sell him right now to raise capital but they will have analysed the data and will know what factors suggest the optimum time to sell is - amount someone is willing to pay, what the data science suggests about winning and losing with and without him and other players in the squad, how the player will respond if an offer is rejected. Sentiment or what supporters might like to happen won’t come into any of their thinking. It’s a business and their metrics for success include more than winning - academy, profit and loss and so on. Winning and promotion may help achieve their measures of success but reducing the odds of winning now for a huge cash injection can be a reasonable business decision in football.
So he may go, he may stay - duh. I’m about 50:50 on it myself.
At least we wont be forced to to sell him for buttons to avoid going under.
Fair enough - for what it's worth, I think the debate will drop off massively once a new head coach comes in. I think the managerial vacuum lends itself to continued discussion, especially given the contentious nature of what has happened.
I think the new chap will (hopefully) at least symbolize the first water flowing under the bridge. Add to that all the new players that did not play under Blooms, and it will feel like quite a clean slate considering.
I don't see how Kone is important to the long term academy project. Unless he takes out Kazakh citizenship.
It fascinates me how a number of people on here know for a fact that it was that big horrible Rice dog who forced Bloomfield out with his evil ways and scheming mischief . I mean it's almost as if they witnessed it! I have no doubt there was a disagreement between the pair on how things were to be run but it is almost as if Bloomfield can't do any wrong . Now there are even people blaming Rice for Luton coming in for Kone , You could not make it up 🤣. I appreciate we at Wycombe seem to put our managers on a pedestal and raise their worth to the heavens and back but just because Bloomfield "felt" unwanted does not mean this should automatically be taken as a reasonable stance in the circumstances . Witnessing some of his actions since getting into management I think the force of ambition is strong in him and I am not entirely convinced he is the hard done little bundle of love that some do .
We do know - aside from any ITK statements so that people who think they don't exist won't pout - that Rice sacked people around Blooms, refused to even say his name, and did not offer an extension, though.
I don't think you are ever dealing with 100% right and wrong when it comes to two fallible humans, but even if you want to stick your head in the stand and say ITKs don't exist, there are some pretty obvious indicators that Rice was making Blooms as uncomfortable and unwanted as possible, ranging from the passive aggressive to the outright aggressive.
Still yet to see anyone explain non-vaguely what they KNOW happened. It should be possible to do that without throwing your sources under the bus. It's just been one big ITK-off without any concrete facts, and the ITKs shouting the doubters down.
Berry to be announced tomorrow.
How can something be considered a fact without sources? If someone says something as fact without a source, the natural response is "source?" I guarantee people won't just take assertive statement as fact.