no game here pal, just dont think the sun shines out of the new leaderships behind, rice is in charge of football decisions re his numerous titles or he is just a mouthpiece and puppet and a waste of wage if ML is making all decisions . Will judge them fairly on actions, i like many (i think) dont like the way certain things have been handled (some rumours some definite) but if results get delivered we will soon forget and move on and that is the fickle nature of football fans.
You are already judging them - more negatively that most imo, but we all are judging them. Everyday.
But don’t assume that because I can see and understand logical business decisions being made that I think the “Sun shines out of their behind”.
I’m very much in the proof will be in the pudding stage. Dan et al currently have a mixing bowl full of ingredients making something we are all familiar with. He’s using a different recipe though and some things might be a bit weird, and some are seemingly danish. Some things have been taken out completely. But just because it’s different, it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Until it’s in the oven baking, or I get to taste some of the mixture before i goes in, I’m not judging it either way.
A stew is different to a steak but both have beef in and can be delicious in their own way. You can also over cook the most expensive steak and make a piss weak stew. But you can’t really judge anything of substance until the process is a bit further along.
And that’s enough “let him cook” metaphors. I’ve gone from baking a cake to frying steak in one analogy.
Ask anyone in country which Kazakh dishes you must taste and their first answer is sure to be "besbarmak". An alternative name for this national meat dish is et, which means "meat" in Kazakh.
Hands down one of the most traditional Kazakh dishes to try, beshbarmak contains boiled horse, lamb, beef or camel meat, square homemade noodles and broth. Although nobody knows exactly when this dish was concocted, academician Ivan Lepekhin mentioned besbarmak back in 1770, and history indicates that it existed even before the 18th century.
The largest serving of besbarmak in Kazakhstan was prepared for Capital Day on July 6, 2015. The gigantic meal weighed in at 736.5 kilograms and set a new Guinness World Record at that time.
They have given us our academy back and a new training facility in such a short space of time. I think they have handed those situations extremely well.
I do not claim to be in the know about any of the characters involved or the clubs business plans so can only make my own assessment of evens.
I do not subscribe to either the 'he is not our man', or the 'didn't have the bottle to sack him' theories. If the intention was to remove MB at the beginning it would have happened. The financial cost was a drop in the ocean compared to the money spent on the club to date. It didn't happen. Nor did it happen at the end of last season when a fair number of fans displayed their loyalty to a 20 year servant of the club by calling for his head.
As I see it Dan Rice et al have been employed to oversee the business side of WWFC and are answerable for how the money is spent. MB was employed to oversee first team squad footballing matters. In between is a grey area where the borders came under dispute, and it is likely that both sides could have handled the matter of where the lines are drawn, a lot better. MB had the choice of settling for the boundaries that were set, or moving on. He chose the latter.
Matt has used the event to take a step up, and goes with my gratitude and best wishes for the future. TBH I do not expect him to be at Luton in three and a half years time. Either he will fail to meet expectations and be moved on, or he will be a highly successful and even a bigger fish will come calling.
Is WWFC the club I started supporting, absolutely not! I started watching WW in the 1950's and I have lost count of the changes, but I go with the flow. There have been ups and downs, and I'm sure there will be more. Who knows where the current chapter will lead.
Just seen Gaz’s post match interview from last night. I’m 66 but it made me want to get my boots on and throw myself into crazy tackles. What a motivator. Looks like he’s enjoying life again after trying to get a reaction from the QPR prima donna’s. The Shrews are definitely my new 2nd team.
Brilliant interview, he's such a great motivator and making sure everyone is in it together. His mentioning of the Chef and making sure his Dad was ok after a fall just epitomises everything we've had over the last 15-20 years here. Love it!
Luton and Matt are not the innocents people are trying to make out. They tracked him and watched games for weeks and the news about him and them came out within a day of them sacking their manager. And he more than knew about everything before the Friday night when he said he was only concentrating on Wycombe. And then lo and behold he is officially talking to them and they announce him 3 days after sacking their manager. In his last 4 games we got 4 points, I am sure the players knew something was going on.
This isn't true. Since Leahy's fluke v Mansfield we beat Shrewsbury 4-1 and Stevenage 3-0. The latter was champagne football at times. Neither of those are easy places to go to, as many of our promotion rivals have experienced recently
He was prob between a rock and a hard place. He didn't want to loss face with us (the fans) by giving an update saying something like "Yea, I've had a few conversations and who knows what is and isn't going to happen." At the end of the day, he could have gone to Luton, realise it wasn't for him and could have been leading training by Tuesday.
I know I've been in a situation where I've gone for an interview, didn't get the feel for the place / work / position and withdrawn from the process without letting my boss know as I didn't want to burn that bridge too soon.
Maybe Matt knew he was not wanted from the start, and the pressure grew every time they sacked someone out from under him? If he was not wanted, he knew he was a bad run away from the sack himself, and bad runs always happen eventually. I know I would be looking for a new gig as soon as it was made clear I was not the company man. That certainly does not make him guilty of anything.
Fair enough mate - I was more responding to the @Chickenhead comment about Matt and Luton not being innocents. I don't think looking for other jobs (including Coventry and Millwall, if he did) make him guilty of anything if he was made to feel unwanted.
Either way, if the idea was for the uncertainty to keep the fans onside and question a 20+ year servant of the club over people who have been here five minutes, the new regime have played a blinder! Wycombe fans will be disagreeing about this until the end of time, as I don't think Blooms is the type to do a tell-all. It must be galling for him for anyone to think he took Wycombe lightly, though - he must be thinking "What would I have had to do to make fans think I love the club?". I have even seen Colchester cited as him jumping ship on us, even though RC was clear that he pushed for that to get Blooms experience!
My own opinion will always be that they are within their rights to do whatever they have done but a) for me it was handled poorly, bordering on the toxic ("passive aggressive" is the kindest term I can use), and b) I question the wisdom behind it all for reasons previously stated in other posts (moving on from culture built over a decade or more, not valuing a successful manager and recruitment head, etc.) Neither of those opinions will stop me supporting the team or being happy if we absolutely nail the second half of the season with whoever the new manager is! Plenty of fans don't warm to their ownership group.
99% of people have interviews whilst still doing their current jobs. It's absolutely the norm. Not sure why that would be an exception in this case.
We didn't exactly fight to keep him. As far as I am aware, no counter offer, no contract extension just a one line message about them being disappointed he's left midway through the season. They've spent millions on academy, training ground, recruitment and now players. I'm sure if they'd wanted him and if MB felt wanted they would have found enough money to keep him to stay and he would have been very happy. The fact he's felt the need to go elsewhere speaks volumes to me.
The ownership group maybe very successful and throw lots of money at it and there is many ways to do things, I just feel very upset about us losing our family/community feel.
The owners at Wrexham have certainly made that a great community club and made everyone feel welcome from the outside looking in. So, you can have success, spend loads of money and still have a family/community feel.
Yes there's been 2 superb away wins, but what about the 2 wins from 6 at home in the league? Calling it a bit of a lull isn't exactly unfair I don't think - we're still having a brilliant season all in!
What counter offer could Wycombe make? Once a club at a higher level, offering a substantially better package, and what on the face of it more closely matches the roll wanted, realistically it can't be matched. Accept the situation and move on. If the offer is right, you don't stand in the way of players wishing to step up, why should it be different for anyone else.
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no game here pal, just dont think the sun shines out of the new leaderships behind, rice is in charge of football decisions re his numerous titles or he is just a mouthpiece and puppet and a waste of wage if ML is making all decisions . Will judge them fairly on actions, i like many (i think) dont like the way certain things have been handled (some rumours some definite) but if results get delivered we will soon forget and move on and that is the fickle nature of football fans.
You are already judging them - more negatively that most imo, but we all are judging them. Everyday.
But don’t assume that because I can see and understand logical business decisions being made that I think the “Sun shines out of their behind”.
I’m very much in the proof will be in the pudding stage. Dan et al currently have a mixing bowl full of ingredients making something we are all familiar with. He’s using a different recipe though and some things might be a bit weird, and some are seemingly danish. Some things have been taken out completely. But just because it’s different, it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Until it’s in the oven baking, or I get to taste some of the mixture before i goes in, I’m not judging it either way.
A stew is different to a steak but both have beef in and can be delicious in their own way. You can also over cook the most expensive steak and make a piss weak stew. But you can’t really judge anything of substance until the process is a bit further along.
And that’s enough “let him cook” metaphors. I’ve gone from baking a cake to frying steak in one analogy.
Thanks Delia!
Sam Grace to win next three matches as our manager and off we go on the road to promotion. COYB!!!!
Ask anyone in country which Kazakh dishes you must taste and their first answer is sure to be "besbarmak". An alternative name for this national meat dish is et, which means "meat" in Kazakh.
Hands down one of the most traditional Kazakh dishes to try, beshbarmak contains boiled horse, lamb, beef or camel meat, square homemade noodles and broth. Although nobody knows exactly when this dish was concocted, academician Ivan Lepekhin mentioned besbarmak back in 1770, and history indicates that it existed even before the 18th century.
The largest serving of besbarmak in Kazakhstan was prepared for Capital Day on July 6, 2015. The gigantic meal weighed in at 736.5 kilograms and set a new Guinness World Record at that time.
That’ll be the same camel that had his back broken by a straw yesterday.
Cooking is too good for him.
Besbarmak means 5 fingers because the meal is eaten with the hands,
Eating noodles with your hands? These are crazy people.
The dish's popularity is though to explain why Kazakhs are known to often 'get the hump.'
If the players eat this we'll be galloping towards the title!
They have given us our academy back and a new training facility in such a short space of time. I think they have handed those situations extremely well.
As long as they don't fall at Beechers Brook!
I do not claim to be in the know about any of the characters involved or the clubs business plans so can only make my own assessment of evens.
I do not subscribe to either the 'he is not our man', or the 'didn't have the bottle to sack him' theories. If the intention was to remove MB at the beginning it would have happened. The financial cost was a drop in the ocean compared to the money spent on the club to date. It didn't happen. Nor did it happen at the end of last season when a fair number of fans displayed their loyalty to a 20 year servant of the club by calling for his head.
As I see it Dan Rice et al have been employed to oversee the business side of WWFC and are answerable for how the money is spent. MB was employed to oversee first team squad footballing matters. In between is a grey area where the borders came under dispute, and it is likely that both sides could have handled the matter of where the lines are drawn, a lot better. MB had the choice of settling for the boundaries that were set, or moving on. He chose the latter.
Matt has used the event to take a step up, and goes with my gratitude and best wishes for the future. TBH I do not expect him to be at Luton in three and a half years time. Either he will fail to meet expectations and be moved on, or he will be a highly successful and even a bigger fish will come calling.
Is WWFC the club I started supporting, absolutely not! I started watching WW in the 1950's and I have lost count of the changes, but I go with the flow. There have been ups and downs, and I'm sure there will be more. Who knows where the current chapter will lead.
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Just seen Gaz’s post match interview from last night. I’m 66 but it made me want to get my boots on and throw myself into crazy tackles. What a motivator. Looks like he’s enjoying life again after trying to get a reaction from the QPR prima donna’s. The Shrews are definitely my new 2nd team.
Brilliant interview, he's such a great motivator and making sure everyone is in it together. His mentioning of the Chef and making sure his Dad was ok after a fall just epitomises everything we've had over the last 15-20 years here. Love it!
Luton and Matt are not the innocents people are trying to make out. They tracked him and watched games for weeks and the news about him and them came out within a day of them sacking their manager. And he more than knew about everything before the Friday night when he said he was only concentrating on Wycombe. And then lo and behold he is officially talking to them and they announce him 3 days after sacking their manager. In his last 4 games we got 4 points, I am sure the players knew something was going on.
A possibility. I must admit that I felt it all seemed rather quick.
Mick Harford was spotted at AP a few times in recent weeks. The original suspicion was that this was a scouting mission for players, but perhaps not!
Part of a bigger lull really. Think we're about 4 wins from 10 and only 2 league wins in 6, both last min, one fluke and one pen!
This isn't true. Since Leahy's fluke v Mansfield we beat Shrewsbury 4-1 and Stevenage 3-0. The latter was champagne football at times. Neither of those are easy places to go to, as many of our promotion rivals have experienced recently
I had a hard time accepting that Bloomfield knew about the Luton situation while he was giving his post game interviews on Friday.
But maybe he did. and maybe that’s ok.
He was prob between a rock and a hard place. He didn't want to loss face with us (the fans) by giving an update saying something like "Yea, I've had a few conversations and who knows what is and isn't going to happen." At the end of the day, he could have gone to Luton, realise it wasn't for him and could have been leading training by Tuesday.
I know I've been in a situation where I've gone for an interview, didn't get the feel for the place / work / position and withdrawn from the process without letting my boss know as I didn't want to burn that bridge too soon.
Maybe Matt knew he was not wanted from the start, and the pressure grew every time they sacked someone out from under him? If he was not wanted, he knew he was a bad run away from the sack himself, and bad runs always happen eventually. I know I would be looking for a new gig as soon as it was made clear I was not the company man. That certainly does not make him guilty of anything.
The November fans forum (still available to watch) would certainly make interesting viewing 2nd time round, but I don't have the time for it!
I agree. I’m trying to forge an unpopular third way, in which the actions of Dan Rice and Matt Bloomfield are inevitable rather than Machiavellian.
Fair enough mate - I was more responding to the @Chickenhead comment about Matt and Luton not being innocents. I don't think looking for other jobs (including Coventry and Millwall, if he did) make him guilty of anything if he was made to feel unwanted.
Either way, if the idea was for the uncertainty to keep the fans onside and question a 20+ year servant of the club over people who have been here five minutes, the new regime have played a blinder! Wycombe fans will be disagreeing about this until the end of time, as I don't think Blooms is the type to do a tell-all. It must be galling for him for anyone to think he took Wycombe lightly, though - he must be thinking "What would I have had to do to make fans think I love the club?". I have even seen Colchester cited as him jumping ship on us, even though RC was clear that he pushed for that to get Blooms experience!
My own opinion will always be that they are within their rights to do whatever they have done but a) for me it was handled poorly, bordering on the toxic ("passive aggressive" is the kindest term I can use), and b) I question the wisdom behind it all for reasons previously stated in other posts (moving on from culture built over a decade or more, not valuing a successful manager and recruitment head, etc.) Neither of those opinions will stop me supporting the team or being happy if we absolutely nail the second half of the season with whoever the new manager is! Plenty of fans don't warm to their ownership group.
Couldn't agree more.
99% of people have interviews whilst still doing their current jobs. It's absolutely the norm. Not sure why that would be an exception in this case.
We didn't exactly fight to keep him. As far as I am aware, no counter offer, no contract extension just a one line message about them being disappointed he's left midway through the season. They've spent millions on academy, training ground, recruitment and now players. I'm sure if they'd wanted him and if MB felt wanted they would have found enough money to keep him to stay and he would have been very happy. The fact he's felt the need to go elsewhere speaks volumes to me.
The ownership group maybe very successful and throw lots of money at it and there is many ways to do things, I just feel very upset about us losing our family/community feel.
The owners at Wrexham have certainly made that a great community club and made everyone feel welcome from the outside looking in. So, you can have success, spend loads of money and still have a family/community feel.
Yes there's been 2 superb away wins, but what about the 2 wins from 6 at home in the league? Calling it a bit of a lull isn't exactly unfair I don't think - we're still having a brilliant season all in!
What counter offer could Wycombe make? Once a club at a higher level, offering a substantially better package, and what on the face of it more closely matches the roll wanted, realistically it can't be matched. Accept the situation and move on. If the offer is right, you don't stand in the way of players wishing to step up, why should it be different for anyone else.