I agree there is a big difference. Clearly there is animosity from both sides - we don't know that MB didn't play a role in this though. I imagine the fact GA rejected bigger clubs for years to remain with Wycombe is also a factor, whereas it appears MB entertained every opportunity that came his way. It is a difficult scenario to manage for all parties.
I find it really difficult to comment on the Scott Mitchell departure. Despite what people claim, I am not sure anyone has actually disclosed many facts and its unlikely we will find out the full story. The owners made it clear from the outset that they wanted to take a unique approach, one which they believe in and will be making a large financial committment to. If Scott Mitchell wasn't supportive, I don't see the issue in parting ways. Especially now we are seeing the sums that they are willing to spend.
I agree that ML has been quiet. But Dan Rice is the DOF and introduced as the main man on the footballing side. I actually think that they have been pretty open. There are regular updates on academy progress, there was a whole fan forum, and they have delivered everything they have promised to date.
I'm not trying to say everyone is wrong, maybe there is a darker side to it, but it certainly shouldn't be claimed as fact.
He is a club legend and will always be one, but no one is more important than the football club. Some more than others in this case, but life goes on, about time people on this forum do too.
lets get behind this team, owners and new manager and look to the future, not dwell on the past.
I said at the very start of the new ownership that I thought ML's silence and distance would be the perfect opportunity for him to make unpopular decisions and play the bad guy role like getting rid of a "club legend" if that's what they really wanted to do. Therefore, its my conclusion getting rid of Matt wasn't actually a priority.
He was (and is) perfectly fine for the role and did an excellent job. The Board could well have been happy with what he was doing even if he was a square peg in a board the new owners are changing to need only round holes.
I think they understood very well that they were going to make huge changes that not everyone, including the football manager, would like. But with any evolution, you have to adapt or die. Or if you don't want to adapt you have to find a new environment.
Enter stage left: Luton Town Football Club. Matt chose a new environment.
And I repeat, change happens. Doesn't mean anyone is a good guy or a bad guy. Just that change always means change. And not everyone likes or is happy with the change that's put in place. And that's fine.
I worked for a company for 10 years. I went in in a specific role which was more a customer service based role to sell services within the IT sector. I had a pool of 1000-customers and the goal was incremental sales. As time went on that role changed and adapted so that while I was doing the same sort of role it was massively different and focused on 20 to 30 larger customers focusing on business changing, long term projects. I went from focusing on turning around 30/40 deals a month to hit my 100k a month target to 2 or 3 to hit the same 100k target.
I loved the original job and the variety. Hated what the job evolved into.
I found a new environment. Change happens with new management and targets. Thats ok. No one was the bad guy. Things just change.
This was one of my favourite & most used diagrams when I did Change Management for a living.
I am hoping that we can all see where we are on the curve & more importantly are working towards the "gradual acceptance" phase. I suspect if we really wanted to we could plot Bloom's move along the curve to the point where he reaches disillusionment & departs to LTFC.
Anyway I hope you all find this helpful (or not) and please remember change is inevitable & it is ultimately how we adapt to it that really matters.
I feel like we keep going around in circles and no matter how many people say the same thing in different ways, nothing is going to change the decision that Matt Bloomfield is now manager of Luton and we are now looking for a new manager.
I don't post on here much but in light of the divide I found this write up by Gabriel Sutton quite interesting -
" Replacing Matt Bloomfield as Wycombe Wanderers manager is arguably even tougher than it was for the 19-year Chairboys playing stalwart to replace Gareth Ainsworth in the hot-seat in February 2023.
When Ainsworth left for QPR, the first of just two managerial departures at Adams Park since the club’s most recent sacking, of Gary Waddock in 2012, the exit was harmonious.
Sure, it was in-season, with the team still in the mix for the Play-Offs, but it’s not as if they had been in the driving seat for promotion - and ‘Wild Thing’ said his fond goodbye, doing an emotional final interview with Phil Catchpole at Wanderers TV to give his tenure a much-needed sense of closure.
That sense of closure is less palpable with Bloomfield’s exit for Luton, even if the opportunity at Kenilworth Road is far more lucrative, on paper, than the one at Loftus Road presented to Ainsworth nearly two years ago.
The former midfielder had a golden opportunity to lead the club he’s represented all his adult life, baring a five-month stint at Colchester, back to the Championship - a level they’ve only graced for one season at in their entire history.
For Bloomfield to give up that chance, regardless of how good the offer was that came his way - and it was clearly a very persuasive one - there had to be something wrong, subjectively for him, that is, with his pre-existing arrangement.
It seems significant that Bloomfield had been appointed manager under the Couhig family, as opposed to the Mikheil Lomtadze regime overseen by Chief Football Officer, Dan Rice.
And, whereas Luton have built their success on stability, trust and transparency, highly valuing their managers with honest brokers like Mick Harford and Gary Sweet in key positions, Wycombe may have a different vision for how they want to move forward.
Rice, for instance, has worked at four different Premier League clubs, and may have learnt his craft in a more detached, cynical, cut-throat climate, where the perspective is that managerial positions are transient, and that success is all about getting the next boss lined up on the conveyor belt.
That philosophy represents the greatest possible contrast to Bloomfield’s, with the Suffolkian having experienced much of his career working under a manager who was given a huge amount of autonomy, with the whole club built around him.
Whether or not Bloomfield demands quite the same degree of autonomy as his predecessor, it’s obvious that he needed to feel more wanted and valued - as he alluded to in his opening interview at Luton.
And, given the sky-high probability of Bloomfield accepting improved terms had he been offered them under the previous ownership, it seems fair game to presume that no such offer was forthcoming - and, in turn, that this may have aggravated tensions.
So, the point is not that either set of beliefs are right or wrong. It’s not unreasonable for Rice to have had half an eye on appointing his own person, and wanting the flexibility to do that if results and performances took a downturn under Bloomfield - however cold and cynical that might sound.
And, he might argue that seeing the managerial position as transient can have the advantage of bringing a new voice and fresh ideas into the club every so often, while a concerted focus on succession planning has done wonders for the likes of Brighton.
At the same time, it’s understandable for Bloomfield to have felt hurt that the club could even be thinking about other managers when he was delivering phenomenal results - especially given that he’s been schooled in the etiquette of stability and unerring trust.
So, without knowing the precise details, our best interpretation is that neither party is necessarily hugely in the wrong, but that they were both coming at things from different angles and were ultimately incompatible - ironically, concerning somebody who’s represented the club for nearly a (blue) quarter of a century.
The upshot, however, is that Wycombe now have an awkward managerial vacancy, even if it seems attractive on paper, with the team sitting pretty in 2nd.
Bloomfield, himself, succeeded when replacing a father figure - but he was the son.
Whereas, Rice seems highly unlikely to make an internal appointment, or bring Ainsworth back, so whoever comes in will be something of a step-father figure, replacing an extremely popular leader, with players and fans alike.
And, any drop-off that would seem very plausible given the unwanted sense of mid-season transition would go onto the new manager’s record, which may get unfairly judged.
So, replacing Bloomfield, as an outsider, will take outstanding people skills, savvy PR nous, and excellent man management."
Its not a dilemma though is it, we have no say in anything. The ownership group own the club, and they will do what they want. And if Wycombe Wanderers want to survive and be a sustainable football club, progress as a football club, we need money. How will we make profit? By opening an academy and developing young talent. By all accounts that's what the ownership group are doing? brand new academy, new training ground to host it. Yet some fans still miss being trust owned so they feel important. Do people not realize that is not sustainable and we wont exist anymore going down that road? Those days are long gone, there is no harm in missing it, but not accepting change and moving forward then reality checks need to be considered. Missing the days of being little old Wycombe in the modern world just wont work anymore. People may like or dislike what I'm posting here, however i want to be watching Wycombe Wanderers for the next 30 or so years. And from what the ownership group are presenting and doing, i can safely say that will be the case.
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I think it's time people move on....blooms has left ...let's look ahead not in the past
I agree there is a big difference. Clearly there is animosity from both sides - we don't know that MB didn't play a role in this though. I imagine the fact GA rejected bigger clubs for years to remain with Wycombe is also a factor, whereas it appears MB entertained every opportunity that came his way. It is a difficult scenario to manage for all parties.
I find it really difficult to comment on the Scott Mitchell departure. Despite what people claim, I am not sure anyone has actually disclosed many facts and its unlikely we will find out the full story. The owners made it clear from the outset that they wanted to take a unique approach, one which they believe in and will be making a large financial committment to. If Scott Mitchell wasn't supportive, I don't see the issue in parting ways. Especially now we are seeing the sums that they are willing to spend.
I agree that ML has been quiet. But Dan Rice is the DOF and introduced as the main man on the footballing side. I actually think that they have been pretty open. There are regular updates on academy progress, there was a whole fan forum, and they have delivered everything they have promised to date.
I'm not trying to say everyone is wrong, maybe there is a darker side to it, but it certainly shouldn't be claimed as fact.
or they didnt have the spine to sack a club legend for no reason because of the heat it would of brought. To play devils advocate here.
Why should they?
When Lommy became the head of Kaspi Bank the first thing he did was sack the entire board. He's doesn't seem the type who cares what others think.
I would guess his hands off approach to the team is because it's all training ground at the moment.
I'm not ITK but I once had a McDonald's in the Palm Jumeirah, which means I've probably been the nearest to him out of all of us on here.
Yeah, no. That’s not it. Treading over someone like Matt Bloomfield to get to the top. That’s not for me.
Its Wycombe Wanderers, not Matt Bloomfield fc.
He is a club legend and will always be one, but no one is more important than the football club. Some more than others in this case, but life goes on, about time people on this forum do too.
lets get behind this team, owners and new manager and look to the future, not dwell on the past.
I said at the very start of the new ownership that I thought ML's silence and distance would be the perfect opportunity for him to make unpopular decisions and play the bad guy role like getting rid of a "club legend" if that's what they really wanted to do. Therefore, its my conclusion getting rid of Matt wasn't actually a priority.
He was (and is) perfectly fine for the role and did an excellent job. The Board could well have been happy with what he was doing even if he was a square peg in a board the new owners are changing to need only round holes.
I think they understood very well that they were going to make huge changes that not everyone, including the football manager, would like. But with any evolution, you have to adapt or die. Or if you don't want to adapt you have to find a new environment.
Enter stage left: Luton Town Football Club. Matt chose a new environment.
And I repeat, change happens. Doesn't mean anyone is a good guy or a bad guy. Just that change always means change. And not everyone likes or is happy with the change that's put in place. And that's fine.
well said
Time to move on. Let’s just beat Mansfield and continue our push for promotion. COYB!!!!
The above is personal expirence btw.
I worked for a company for 10 years. I went in in a specific role which was more a customer service based role to sell services within the IT sector. I had a pool of 1000-customers and the goal was incremental sales. As time went on that role changed and adapted so that while I was doing the same sort of role it was massively different and focused on 20 to 30 larger customers focusing on business changing, long term projects. I went from focusing on turning around 30/40 deals a month to hit my 100k a month target to 2 or 3 to hit the same 100k target.
I loved the original job and the variety. Hated what the job evolved into.
I found a new environment. Change happens with new management and targets. Thats ok. No one was the bad guy. Things just change.
It happens all the time in business, especially mergers and acquisitions where massive organisational changes and consolidation is commonplace.
Yep, and this signals the real change in Wycombe Wanderers football club.
Its a business now backed by a billionaire. Not the small family club we once were.
This is the real dilemma we as supporters now face.
Will you be moving on from groaning on about Luke Leahy every matchday thread?
not until he actually justifies his role in the team!
I lolled.
Just move on.
This was one of my favourite & most used diagrams when I did Change Management for a living.
I am hoping that we can all see where we are on the curve & more importantly are working towards the "gradual acceptance" phase. I suspect if we really wanted to we could plot Bloom's move along the curve to the point where he reaches disillusionment & departs to LTFC.
Anyway I hope you all find this helpful (or not) and please remember change is inevitable & it is ultimately how we adapt to it that really matters.
your not Leahy are you ?
Shall we close this topic down?
I feel like we keep going around in circles and no matter how many people say the same thing in different ways, nothing is going to change the decision that Matt Bloomfield is now manager of Luton and we are now looking for a new manager.
Supporting Wycombe isn’t my job. How I adapt to it might be to do something else instead.
I don't post on here much but in light of the divide I found this write up by Gabriel Sutton quite interesting -
" Replacing Matt Bloomfield as Wycombe Wanderers manager is arguably even tougher than it was for the 19-year Chairboys playing stalwart to replace Gareth Ainsworth in the hot-seat in February 2023.
When Ainsworth left for QPR, the first of just two managerial departures at Adams Park since the club’s most recent sacking, of Gary Waddock in 2012, the exit was harmonious.
Sure, it was in-season, with the team still in the mix for the Play-Offs, but it’s not as if they had been in the driving seat for promotion - and ‘Wild Thing’ said his fond goodbye, doing an emotional final interview with Phil Catchpole at Wanderers TV to give his tenure a much-needed sense of closure.
That sense of closure is less palpable with Bloomfield’s exit for Luton, even if the opportunity at Kenilworth Road is far more lucrative, on paper, than the one at Loftus Road presented to Ainsworth nearly two years ago.
The former midfielder had a golden opportunity to lead the club he’s represented all his adult life, baring a five-month stint at Colchester, back to the Championship - a level they’ve only graced for one season at in their entire history.
For Bloomfield to give up that chance, regardless of how good the offer was that came his way - and it was clearly a very persuasive one - there had to be something wrong, subjectively for him, that is, with his pre-existing arrangement.
It seems significant that Bloomfield had been appointed manager under the Couhig family, as opposed to the Mikheil Lomtadze regime overseen by Chief Football Officer, Dan Rice.
And, whereas Luton have built their success on stability, trust and transparency, highly valuing their managers with honest brokers like Mick Harford and Gary Sweet in key positions, Wycombe may have a different vision for how they want to move forward.
Rice, for instance, has worked at four different Premier League clubs, and may have learnt his craft in a more detached, cynical, cut-throat climate, where the perspective is that managerial positions are transient, and that success is all about getting the next boss lined up on the conveyor belt.
That philosophy represents the greatest possible contrast to Bloomfield’s, with the Suffolkian having experienced much of his career working under a manager who was given a huge amount of autonomy, with the whole club built around him.
Whether or not Bloomfield demands quite the same degree of autonomy as his predecessor, it’s obvious that he needed to feel more wanted and valued - as he alluded to in his opening interview at Luton.
And, given the sky-high probability of Bloomfield accepting improved terms had he been offered them under the previous ownership, it seems fair game to presume that no such offer was forthcoming - and, in turn, that this may have aggravated tensions.
So, the point is not that either set of beliefs are right or wrong. It’s not unreasonable for Rice to have had half an eye on appointing his own person, and wanting the flexibility to do that if results and performances took a downturn under Bloomfield - however cold and cynical that might sound.
And, he might argue that seeing the managerial position as transient can have the advantage of bringing a new voice and fresh ideas into the club every so often, while a concerted focus on succession planning has done wonders for the likes of Brighton.
At the same time, it’s understandable for Bloomfield to have felt hurt that the club could even be thinking about other managers when he was delivering phenomenal results - especially given that he’s been schooled in the etiquette of stability and unerring trust.
So, without knowing the precise details, our best interpretation is that neither party is necessarily hugely in the wrong, but that they were both coming at things from different angles and were ultimately incompatible - ironically, concerning somebody who’s represented the club for nearly a (blue) quarter of a century.
The upshot, however, is that Wycombe now have an awkward managerial vacancy, even if it seems attractive on paper, with the team sitting pretty in 2nd.
Bloomfield, himself, succeeded when replacing a father figure - but he was the son.
Whereas, Rice seems highly unlikely to make an internal appointment, or bring Ainsworth back, so whoever comes in will be something of a step-father figure, replacing an extremely popular leader, with players and fans alike.
And, any drop-off that would seem very plausible given the unwanted sense of mid-season transition would go onto the new manager’s record, which may get unfairly judged.
So, replacing Bloomfield, as an outsider, will take outstanding people skills, savvy PR nous, and excellent man management."
apologies if this has been posted before
Impressive as usual from Gab
What else is there to talk about until we either
1) Appoint a new head coach
2) Sign a new player
3) Play our next match
4) Sell Kone
5) Dai Yongge sells Reading
6) MK/ Oxford disappear into a giant sink hole
Its not a dilemma though is it, we have no say in anything. The ownership group own the club, and they will do what they want. And if Wycombe Wanderers want to survive and be a sustainable football club, progress as a football club, we need money. How will we make profit? By opening an academy and developing young talent. By all accounts that's what the ownership group are doing? brand new academy, new training ground to host it. Yet some fans still miss being trust owned so they feel important. Do people not realize that is not sustainable and we wont exist anymore going down that road? Those days are long gone, there is no harm in missing it, but not accepting change and moving forward then reality checks need to be considered. Missing the days of being little old Wycombe in the modern world just wont work anymore. People may like or dislike what I'm posting here, however i want to be watching Wycombe Wanderers for the next 30 or so years. And from what the ownership group are presenting and doing, i can safely say that will be the case.
The official website has just made an announcement....
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Well I am IN THE KNOW.
i want to be watching Wycombe Wanderers for the next 30 or so years.
If it's a sockpuppet account, that's ruled out 80% of the regulars on here.
We have topics about most of those, tho.
1) Has its own topic
2 & 4) Covered on Rumours
3) It'll happen closer to the time
5) Has it's own topic
6) Lets all go to church and pray that it happens?
Name me a billionaire who made his obscene wealth without being ruthless in business?