There is no doubt that Dave and Steve put their heart and soul into it. Regardless of my own viewpoint on formation date I acknowledge just how much effort went into it which should be appreciated by generations of Wycombe fans.
Going back to the 1884/1887 discussion, it depends on whether you are of the opinion that Wycombe Wanderers (formed in the Steam Engine pub in 1887) were a continuation of North Town Wanderers (formed in 1884).
North Town Wanderers were (according to the linked article on the club website) a scratch side playing informally arranged games against local sides. The formation of Wycombe Wanderers was an attempt to form a more organised club to compete at a higher level, maybe also hoping to galvanise the support of the town behind a single club.
I would be of the opinion that the decision to move away from what were effectively kickabouts down the park into organised competitions would be the formation of a new club, though the history of North Town Wanderers is very much part of the Wycombe Wanderers story.
I think based on your post and reading the Matt Cecil article I agree with your viewpoint of it being 1887 but should always remember the importance of 1884’s North Town Wanderers.
At least we could - if we wanted to - put the foundation year on our badge in digits. Unlike MK, who have to use Roman numerals to give the appearance of history.
I'm am sure this feed was to do with the Blackpool game yesterday....? seems.plenty of posts which have nothing to do with the match in question zzzzzzz
I am convinced that the club was formed in 1887, as was Dave Finch. The formation date page in the book gives three direct references, in the BFP, to 1887 as the date. I found another one after the book was published. I think it likely that they had been playing informally since 1884, perhaps as North Town Wanderers.
I can only think that the original players thought those first three informal years should be included in the club's history. We know from Ted Rolph's history that the formal founding of the club, under the name Wycombe Wanderers and with the first appointed officials, was not until 1887, although Ted accepted 1884 as the 'formation' date.
We gave the club notice of the change in date, some months prior to publication, but we could not get a response from the club at the time, or formally since then. It took a long time for the club to accept 1887 as the date. If I remember correctly, merchandise stamped with 1887 did not appear in the club shop until the early 2000s.
The idea of Wycombe being in the Champ is laughable on a number of levels. First they can’t fill their small ground, gaps all over the place.
Can only assume their pace, guile and craft must have come from the two loan players who were recalled by parent clubs earlier this week. Because they created very little even with 11 and couldn’t even string together passages of passing.
Looking at that, Birmingham and Wrexham will stroll the division unless Huddersfield continue to improve and put Wrexham under pressure.”
tbf to them, we did not play well at all or create much against them, so basing their views on that ...really looking forward to seeing sads back as he offers something different ....Gmac and Fred look spent ....they need a rest ....get Kodua in the starting line up!
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The logic is there was not enough evidence to confirm categorically that the quoted formation date (1884) was wrong for all these years.
It's not, but how can you claim 1884 if there isn't anything to suggest it was 1884?
There is no doubt that Dave and Steve put their heart and soul into it. Regardless of my own viewpoint on formation date I acknowledge just how much effort went into it which should be appreciated by generations of Wycombe fans.
It's a seriously good book. That and 'Out of the Blue', which I think is from the late Conference years.
I'm not claiming 1884, I just like that quote
Rumour has it the 1887™ are claiming 1884
It will be 'The 2026' when we go into the Premier League and treat it like the start of all football.
Or 2027 when the whole thing blows up and Robbie C crawls back in and merges us with Reading in a horrific Wycding fc.
Going back to the 1884/1887 discussion, it depends on whether you are of the opinion that Wycombe Wanderers (formed in the Steam Engine pub in 1887) were a continuation of North Town Wanderers (formed in 1884).
https://www.wwfc.com/news/2012/august/how-it-all-began/
North Town Wanderers were (according to the linked article on the club website) a scratch side playing informally arranged games against local sides. The formation of Wycombe Wanderers was an attempt to form a more organised club to compete at a higher level, maybe also hoping to galvanise the support of the town behind a single club.
I would be of the opinion that the decision to move away from what were effectively kickabouts down the park into organised competitions would be the formation of a new club, though the history of North Town Wanderers is very much part of the Wycombe Wanderers story.
1887
I think based on your post and reading the Matt Cecil article I agree with your viewpoint of it being 1887 but should always remember the importance of 1884’s North Town Wanderers.
At least we could - if we wanted to - put the foundation year on our badge in digits. Unlike MK, who have to use Roman numerals to give the appearance of history.
I'm am sure this feed was to do with the Blackpool game yesterday....? seems.plenty of posts which have nothing to do with the match in question zzzzzzz
I am convinced that the club was formed in 1887, as was Dave Finch. The formation date page in the book gives three direct references, in the BFP, to 1887 as the date. I found another one after the book was published. I think it likely that they had been playing informally since 1884, perhaps as North Town Wanderers.
I can only think that the original players thought those first three informal years should be included in the club's history. We know from Ted Rolph's history that the formal founding of the club, under the name Wycombe Wanderers and with the first appointed officials, was not until 1887, although Ted accepted 1884 as the 'formation' date.
We gave the club notice of the change in date, some months prior to publication, but we could not get a response from the club at the time, or formally since then. It took a long time for the club to accept 1887 as the date. If I remember correctly, merchandise stamped with 1887 did not appear in the club shop until the early 2000s.
More importantly, whatever became of Wycombe Nose Club?
The ultimate bogey team
excellent a post on the game !
That side picked itself every week
and herein lies the difference in perspective between science and anyone’s random belief.
I was just looking at the League 2 table. Walsall are 10 points clear with a very similar record to us. Shows just how competitive this League is.
And only 2 points between 2nd and 7th - I know which league I'd rather be in!
No-one nose.
The Farting Club
Men in 18th century London would down cabbage and fistfuls of laxatives and spend the evening trying to out-fart each other.
My guess is they had a run in with these boys and the rest is history.
Men in 21st century Wycombe would watch their team play and spend the evening on the internet trying to out-fart each other.
Everything changes and everything stays the same
Proud to be British https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/london-history-actual-18th-century-22642388
I can see the appeal in a fine cigar, a glass of port and a game of chance be it cards or flatulence .
A less than complimentary view from the Tower:
”Thoughts after going yesterday…
The idea of Wycombe being in the Champ is laughable on a number of levels. First they can’t fill their small ground, gaps all over the place.
Can only assume their pace, guile and craft must have come from the two loan players who were recalled by parent clubs earlier this week. Because they created very little even with 11 and couldn’t even string together passages of passing.
Looking at that, Birmingham and Wrexham will stroll the division unless Huddersfield continue to improve and put Wrexham under pressure.”
Only needed “time wasting” for a full house.
From a Blackpool fan? When they had the most hilariously crap low capacity ever in an even higher division a mere 13-14 years ago!?
These fans never put it down to their team turning up hell bent on a point and offering next to nothing as an attacking force do they?
And taking a full 35mins or so against 10 men to finally luckily scrape a draw.
tbf to them, we did not play well at all or create much against them, so basing their views on that ...really looking forward to seeing sads back as he offers something different ....Gmac and Fred look spent ....they need a rest ....get Kodua in the starting line up!