Actually Dan Rice said in his interview with Phil , their ambition was to get to Championship, consolidate there and their ‘ North Star ‘ was the Premiership. What he didn’t give was any timescales.
Exactly and he stressed several times that these were very long term ambitions and that the manager is under no pressure to finish in a particular position this season.
How? One loanee is from a club in our division, one has played just 3 games in the Championship and one is a teenager from an under 21 squad. It’s not as if we have splashed out on marquee signings so arguably less experienced loanees than we had last season in Potts, Phillips, Taylor and Lonwijk.
Four loan signings (and counting). Loan signings are only made with short term, especially as all four likely to be unobtainable as permanent signings. Combined with a player Dan Udoh almost doubling his money and spending money on transfer fees (Dan Harvie) would suggest that the new owners have pretty immediate ambitions.
I agree. I certainly think we should have a target and that target should be the play-offs at least. If we fail, then at least we tried. After all, we finished 10th last season. Not giving a manager a target seems a very weird strategy to me.
What , so because he’s unattached he should accept 20 quid a week if that’s all he is offered?
He has a value, he might want £X a week, clubs will offer £Y and they’ll meet somewhere in the middle if they want to. That’s how negotiations work. His request of £X is his wage demand.
point i was making is that be may want £xx but if no-one is prepared to offer that, the either is does not sign and make anything or he could sign for a club that will offer less
What Dan Rice said was that the manager is under no pressure. If the owners said publicly that he should be aiming for ‘the playoffs at least’ then he and the players would obviously be under a lot of pressure. Not even Manchester City would publicly say that Guardiola has to deliver the title. What owners say privately is, of course, a different matter.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for owners to state that they expect a club to reach a lofty position in any league, but that’s different to saying that they are hoping to achieve that. Don’t think Rob ever said publicly that playoffs were a minimum requirement.
Is that question for me? If it was, Rob was very optimistic but he did look to improve YOY. Even in GAs time we had targets. I am with @glasshalffull if there is a target that the management wish to keep between them and the manager but I still cannot understand why publicising is an issue. My opinion.
I'm not quite sure that writing an open letter to supporters - even if he recounts a meeting he had with PC, GA etc - and saying in effect "I expect to be still playing Championship football next year" is quite the same thing as setting a management target of remaining in the Championship.
If it was then PC, GA and all failed to achieve their target and must surely have experienced repercussions?
He was quite rightly reading them and us the riot act and telling us to stop congratulating ourselves for being in the Championship and start thinking/acting like we belonged in the Championship. Merely a very stern pep talk - which we probably deserved at the time to be fair.
I think you are reading the American terminology of "I expect ..." a little too literally. They generally say "I expect" when we might say "I hope" - at least in my experience.
In any case we all know that just because RC said something it doesn't necessarily mean it's entirely true. We would have a new access road and a new stadium roof by now if it were. 😉
The only reason I could see for bringing in another keeper would be to allow young Shala to go out on loan, which I guess was the plan. If Bishop is out for an extended period it will hold Shala’s development back. So either a new development keeper who can sit on the bench or short term senior back up to Rav
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Ravizolli was given No 1 because Bishop preferred No 13. Nothing more to it than that.
How do you know what the owners have in mind beyond their academy plans as they have never made any statement of ambition about the first team?
You can make pretty accurate calls based on their transfer activity.
Actually Dan Rice said in his interview with Phil , their ambition was to get to Championship, consolidate there and their ‘ North Star ‘ was the Premiership. What he didn’t give was any timescales.
Exactly and he stressed several times that these were very long term ambitions and that the manager is under no pressure to finish in a particular position this season.
How? One loanee is from a club in our division, one has played just 3 games in the Championship and one is a teenager from an under 21 squad. It’s not as if we have splashed out on marquee signings so arguably less experienced loanees than we had last season in Potts, Phillips, Taylor and Lonwijk.
Four loan signings (and counting). Loan signings are only made with short term, especially as all four likely to be unobtainable as permanent signings. Combined with a player Dan Udoh almost doubling his money and spending money on transfer fees (Dan Harvie) would suggest that the new owners have pretty immediate ambitions.
He'll be fuming to have been given #22 then
Ha! Deliberate error!
bang on tbf
I’m not sure Daniel Ayala is what we need…
Blackman a decent keeper at our level and is still unattached I believe but maybe wage demand too high?
surely if he is unattached he can't be to demanding on wage demands ?
To paraphrase the big boss man MON, think consolidation, think relegation.
I agree. I certainly think we should have a target and that target should be the play-offs at least. If we fail, then at least we tried. After all, we finished 10th last season. Not giving a manager a target seems a very weird strategy to me.
I am sure others have different opinions.
What , so because he’s unattached he should accept 20 quid a week if that’s all he is offered?
He has a value, he might want £X a week, clubs will offer £Y and they’ll meet somewhere in the middle if they want to. That’s how negotiations work. His request of £X is his wage demand.
Perhaps the target is 'Don't get relegated'
point i was making is that be may want £xx but if no-one is prepared to offer that, the either is does not sign and make anything or he could sign for a club that will offer less
There's a difference between not giving the manager a target and not advertising it
What Dan Rice said was that the manager is under no pressure. If the owners said publicly that he should be aiming for ‘the playoffs at least’ then he and the players would obviously be under a lot of pressure. Not even Manchester City would publicly say that Guardiola has to deliver the title. What owners say privately is, of course, a different matter.
Interesting, were you critical of Rob Couhig when he took the opposite approach?
Couhig just said he "believed" we would get promoted. Even when it was mathematically impossible. He never claimed that was the target set for Blooms.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for owners to state that they expect a club to reach a lofty position in any league, but that’s different to saying that they are hoping to achieve that. Don’t think Rob ever said publicly that playoffs were a minimum requirement.
That's not my memory of it. Didn't he write an open letter or something? Let me have a look.......
Here it is:
https://wycombewanderersfc.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/t/7EDD6C60588C1A8F2540EF23F30FEDED/0B248AC0BBC98EADDDA3541AF197FE1F?fbclid=IwAR2Po0QXX8nohLY1CgcXKcrjh1fb7d9sEyYNu2dF2mzE6d9ZqTQros0y0hM
Really?
Is that question for me? If it was, Rob was very optimistic but he did look to improve YOY. Even in GAs time we had targets. I am with @glasshalffull if there is a target that the management wish to keep between them and the manager but I still cannot understand why publicising is an issue. My opinion.
Nobody knows.
I'm not quite sure that writing an open letter to supporters - even if he recounts a meeting he had with PC, GA etc - and saying in effect "I expect to be still playing Championship football next year" is quite the same thing as setting a management target of remaining in the Championship.
If it was then PC, GA and all failed to achieve their target and must surely have experienced repercussions?
He was quite rightly reading them and us the riot act and telling us to stop congratulating ourselves for being in the Championship and start thinking/acting like we belonged in the Championship. Merely a very stern pep talk - which we probably deserved at the time to be fair.
I think you are reading the American terminology of "I expect ..." a little too literally. They generally say "I expect" when we might say "I hope" - at least in my experience.
In any case we all know that just because RC said something it doesn't necessarily mean it's entirely true. We would have a new access road and a new stadium roof by now if it were. 😉
The only reason I could see for bringing in another keeper would be to allow young Shala to go out on loan, which I guess was the plan. If Bishop is out for an extended period it will hold Shala’s development back. So either a new development keeper who can sit on the bench or short term senior back up to Rav