But why is it deemed safer than a few spaced out fans in a football stadium @Wendoverman. For what it's worth I would close all entertainment gatherings at the present time, including pubs.
@mooneyman could it be it's got something to do with economics rather than just what's safer? Without allowing customers to return to cinemas for another 6 months I suspect that many will not survive.
The same arguement could apply to some football clubs but the majority will survive. Even more if the PL allow some money to filter down to leagues 1 and 2.
@mooneyman said:
But why is it deemed safer than a few spaced out fans in a football stadium @Wendoverman. For what it's worth I would close all entertainment gatherings at the present time, including pubs.
Isn't the theory that you might be ok stood or sat in your bubble groups but a lot of stadiums have the sort of access that means you'd have to queue in big groups to get out at the end? I haven't seen any of the trial data or been to one of the games but I'd be interested to see how leaving went.
At the Chesham game despite repeated requests to observe social distancing over the tannoy, a group of Wycombe fans repeatedly failed to observe this, at one point joining together with their arms around one another singing "let's all do the Poznan"
That's quite clearly a huge factor - although not just football fans, people in general
If they let in say 2000 fans into a stadium with all the best thought out social distancing plans, if they know (or suspect) that 10 or 20% of the fans are likely to ignore the instructions, that is immediately a potential outbreak of hundreds
@mooneyman said:
But why is it deemed safer than a few spaced out fans in a football stadium @Wendoverman. For what it's worth I would close all entertainment gatherings at the present time, including pubs.
I have no idea (which was my point) and much as I hate it I would agree with your second point.
The problem is they want to keep the economy going (something with which I can sympathise/agree/support) while trying to stop people dying (this is the bit they seem to be unable to manage without lurching between disastrous cack-handed ill thought out confusing policies)
@micra said:
Afternoon @EwanHoosaami. Hope you and yours are bearing up reasonably well.
What I do is to squeeze a really tiny blob of washing up liquid (2-3 mm diameter) onto the tip of my index finger then smear it across the lenses. I do it on both sides but not sure it’s needed on the front. Next, dry it with a soft cloth (eg a tea towel). Do that fairly gently to avoid totally removing the coating. That should do the trick for a couple of trips.
I take @StrongestTeam’s point about potentially damaging any (eg anti reflection) coating but, like you, I don’t have anything like that. For anyone wary of the Fairy treatment (aren’t we all, ducky), specsavers do anti-mist wipes for about £6.
Thanks @micra Yes thanks, just about holding it together. Like many, I am definitely struggling now. 1st few months off was fine as we had great weather and I managed to catch up with all those jobs round the house that I had been promising the good lady I would do for years. Managed loads of cycling as well which got me a lot fitter & lost some weight, however now, I have to admit the lack of a verbal outburst a few times a month/attending real football matches, a shrinking savings pot & little work is starting to wear on me.
Many thanks for the tip, might try it later?
I hear you @EwanHoosaami I've just started going back and now we're plunged into more confusion. They asked me if I wanted to carry on working from home...but I said no (not a popular choice for Mrs W) because after six months I was going mad. I know I'm lucky to be able to work, but getting out of the house and talking to people who are not my family, a dogwalker or a shop assistant has been a godsend! (Sadly I put on weight during lockdown so thumbs up for that!)
The working from home every day thing certainly beats the limbo of furlough, but it's so unnatural to not have those natural day breaks of going to and coming home from the office.
I dare say anything can become a habit in time though.
@EwanHoosaami - apologies for not having acknowledged your post of 24 September. I’ve just scrolled down from the current stuff and I was surprised to discover that there were quite a few unread comments, including your response to my post of 23 September regarding the magic properties of Fairy Liquid. Have you tried it?
I think Boris and his team do not trust us football fans not to turn up drunk and ignore the rules, and socialise in the Pubs before and after the game. You might think I am daft but this government is not run by football fans...sorry.
@micra said: @EwanHoosaami - apologies for not having acknowledged your post of 24 September. I’ve just scrolled down from the current stuff and I was surprised to discover that there were quite a few unread comments, including your response to my post of 23 September regarding the magic properties of Fairy Liquid. Have you tried it?
I did & it didn't work, however, it wasn't the expensive fairy liquid, I used a cheaper Asda brand & maybe that was the problem? Alternatively it could be that I was in a rush and wiped the lens rather vigorously to a degree that I could have rubbed off what I had just put on? I will try again tomorrow when I have a little more time.
I did wonder whether it had to be Fairy. Like you, I’ve always gone for ASDA or Morrisons own make at 50p a bottle but when I resumed doing my own shopping at the end of June I saw a “2 for” offer in Morrisons for Fairy and I must say it does last a lot longer! Perhaps it’s the greater viscosity that does the trick.
@eric_plant said:
Football fans don't help themselves sometimes.
At the Chesham game despite repeated requests to observe social distancing over the tannoy, a group of Wycombe fans repeatedly failed to observe this, at one point joining together with their arms around one another singing "let's all do the Poznan"
It was quite pathetic to observe
This in a nutshell is why football fans aren’t allowed to attend games during the pandemic.
Pretty sobering story on ESPN over here. A lot of clubs don't expect to make it past March, and L2 clubs don't expect to make it past November without a bailout.
One possibility that might play out is that, even if we lose every match this season, we might still be in the Championship next year. I think it's an unlikely scenario at the moment and I fervently hope it doesn't happen, but I could see Leagues One and Two having no option but to go into hibernation by Xmas if solidarity funding isn't forthcoming, and their seasons declared null and void, with no promotion or relegation next summer other than between the Premier League and the Championship.
Much as I hate the sound of that and hope it's not the case @aloysius in some ways I would warm myself with the reaction of Peterborough and Sunderland to that scenario!
@eric_plant said:
Football fans don't help themselves sometimes.
At the Chesham game despite repeated requests to observe social distancing over the tannoy, a group of Wycombe fans repeatedly failed to observe this, at one point joining together with their arms around one another singing "let's all do the Poznan"
It was quite pathetic to observe
This in a nutshell is why football fans aren’t allowed to attend games during the pandemic.
Too many of them are complete idiots.
If hosting a high proportion of idiots was a factor then every shop, pub and restaurant in the UK would be shut.
I see smug Steve Baker has been stirring it up about the restrictions again in Parliament...whoever bullied that man at school has a lot of answer for.
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I agree with your final point @Malone
But why is it deemed safer than a few spaced out fans in a football stadium @Wendoverman. For what it's worth I would close all entertainment gatherings at the present time, including pubs.
@mooneyman could it be it's got something to do with economics rather than just what's safer? Without allowing customers to return to cinemas for another 6 months I suspect that many will not survive.
The same arguement could apply to some football clubs but the majority will survive. Even more if the PL allow some money to filter down to leagues 1 and 2.
Isn't the theory that you might be ok stood or sat in your bubble groups but a lot of stadiums have the sort of access that means you'd have to queue in big groups to get out at the end? I haven't seen any of the trial data or been to one of the games but I'd be interested to see how leaving went.
Oh, and of course they don't trust football fans to follow simple rules.
Football fans don't help themselves sometimes.
At the Chesham game despite repeated requests to observe social distancing over the tannoy, a group of Wycombe fans repeatedly failed to observe this, at one point joining together with their arms around one another singing "let's all do the Poznan"
It was quite pathetic to observe
That's quite clearly a huge factor - although not just football fans, people in general
If they let in say 2000 fans into a stadium with all the best thought out social distancing plans, if they know (or suspect) that 10 or 20% of the fans are likely to ignore the instructions, that is immediately a potential outbreak of hundreds
Then you add in the booze factor that has led to the pub earlier closing situation.
A lot of fans like to turn up sozzled, so it's optimistic to think they'll follow rules.
I have no idea (which was my point) and much as I hate it I would agree with your second point.
The problem is they want to keep the economy going (something with which I can sympathise/agree/support) while trying to stop people dying (this is the bit they seem to be unable to manage without lurching between disastrous cack-handed ill thought out confusing policies)
Thanks @micra Yes thanks, just about holding it together. Like many, I am definitely struggling now. 1st few months off was fine as we had great weather and I managed to catch up with all those jobs round the house that I had been promising the good lady I would do for years. Managed loads of cycling as well which got me a lot fitter & lost some weight, however now, I have to admit the lack of a verbal outburst a few times a month/attending real football matches, a shrinking savings pot & little work is starting to wear on me.
Many thanks for the tip, might try it later?
I hear you @EwanHoosaami I've just started going back and now we're plunged into more confusion. They asked me if I wanted to carry on working from home...but I said no (not a popular choice for Mrs W) because after six months I was going mad. I know I'm lucky to be able to work, but getting out of the house and talking to people who are not my family, a dogwalker or a shop assistant has been a godsend! (Sadly I put on weight during lockdown so thumbs up for that!)
I think some on here may take issue with that timeline
And some in my house
The working from home every day thing certainly beats the limbo of furlough, but it's so unnatural to not have those natural day breaks of going to and coming home from the office.
I dare say anything can become a habit in time though.
@EwanHoosaami - apologies for not having acknowledged your post of 24 September. I’ve just scrolled down from the current stuff and I was surprised to discover that there were quite a few unread comments, including your response to my post of 23 September regarding the magic properties of Fairy Liquid. Have you tried it?
I think Boris and his team do not trust us football fans not to turn up drunk and ignore the rules, and socialise in the Pubs before and after the game. You might think I am daft but this government is not run by football fans...sorry.
I did & it didn't work, however, it wasn't the expensive fairy liquid, I used a cheaper Asda brand & maybe that was the problem? Alternatively it could be that I was in a rush and wiped the lens rather vigorously to a degree that I could have rubbed off what I had just put on? I will try again tomorrow when I have a little more time.
I did wonder whether it had to be Fairy. Like you, I’ve always gone for ASDA or Morrisons own make at 50p a bottle but when I resumed doing my own shopping at the end of June I saw a “2 for” offer in Morrisons for Fairy and I must say it does last a lot longer! Perhaps it’s the greater viscosity that does the trick.
I'll try the cheaper option again 1st. If that doesn't work, I will look for a fairy!!! (bottle of)
This in a nutshell is why football fans aren’t allowed to attend games during the pandemic.
Too many of them are complete idiots.
Pretty sobering story on ESPN over here. A lot of clubs don't expect to make it past March, and L2 clubs don't expect to make it past November without a bailout.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4195579/english-football-on-the-brink-premier-league-weathering-storm-of-no-fansbut-lower-leagues-are-in-trouble
One possibility that might play out is that, even if we lose every match this season, we might still be in the Championship next year. I think it's an unlikely scenario at the moment and I fervently hope it doesn't happen, but I could see Leagues One and Two having no option but to go into hibernation by Xmas if solidarity funding isn't forthcoming, and their seasons declared null and void, with no promotion or relegation next summer other than between the Premier League and the Championship.
Much as I hate the sound of that and hope it's not the case @aloysius in some ways I would warm myself with the reaction of Peterborough and Sunderland to that scenario!
If hosting a high proportion of idiots was a factor then every shop, pub and restaurant in the UK would be shut.
I see smug Steve Baker has been stirring it up about the restrictions again in Parliament...whoever bullied that man at school has a lot of answer for.
And the gasroom.