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Macclesfield relegated after Stevenage win appeal!

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  • Seems very very harsh on Macc. Will they survive the blow

  • Deducted 17 points across 3 disciplinaries.

    That is pretty darn harsh.

  • Unbelievably lucky for an appalling Stevenage team

  • Probably have contacts in the right places!

  • I feel for the fans - another case of a terrible owner ruining a club.

  • I think if a team benefits from another's deduction - in this case Stevenage - they should have to start the next season minus as many points as they were from safety without the deduction - so Stevenage would start next season on -10. Otherwise they completely get away with it.

  • @chairboyscentral said:
    I think if a team benefits from another's deduction - in this case Stevenage - they should have to start the next season minus as many points as they were from safety without the deduction - so Stevenage would start next season on -10. Otherwise they completely get away with it.

    Not sure we want to start inventing rules like that when we might need to rely on such things next season!

  • edited August 11

    Won't matter if we start our second Championship season with a handicap, it'll only knock us from autos into play-offs.

  • I think the EFL need to set out a bit clearer what they can do to help clubs in trouble, wether it be loans or practical consultancy services, help finding new investment etc, and make it available to all so as to be transparent and fair, just simply saying it's regrettable each time and then having rivals hoping other teams go bust or get points deductions so you can stay up is unseemly.

  • The EFL needs a comprehensive review and overhaul - this can't keep happening - but I can't see how that happens unless it's ordered at government level.

  • edited August 11

    So, for anyone wanting to keep score:

    Clubs relegated owing to points deductions:
    Wigan
    Macclesfield

    Clubs expelled:
    Bury

    Clubs deducted points too late to be relegated:
    Sheffield Wednesday

    Clubs deducted points who would have been relegated anyway:
    Bolton

    Clubs saved through points deductions on others/expulsions:
    Barnsley
    AFC Wimbledon/Morecambe (depending on how you view Bury)
    Stevenage

    What a madhouse!

  • @Shev said:
    So, for anyone wanting to keep score:

    Clubs relegated owing to points deductions:
    Wigan
    Macclesfield

    Clubs expelled:
    Bury

    Clubs deducted points too late to be relegated:
    Sheffield Wednesday

    Clubs deducted points who would have been relegated anyway:
    Bolton

    Clubs saved through points deductions on others/expulsions:
    Barnsley
    AFC Wimbledon/Morecambe (depending on how you view Bury)
    Stevenage

    What a madhouse!

    Madhouse indeed. You would think they would want to implement changes themselves. As an organisation, it's looking like an embarrassing shambles.

  • I suspect the EFL employees do
    However it is a glorified members club, with the clubs as members and they have to vote by a majority for any change...it is clear from PPG that self interest will always win out.

  • @Erroll_Sims said:
    I suspect the EFL employees do
    However it is a glorified members club, with the clubs as members and they have to vote by a majority for any change...it is clear from PPG that self interest will always win out.

    And therein lies the problem. The Turkeys will not vote for Xmas. Until there in an independent board who can make these decisions or until the government step in to protect community clubs then this will continue to happen.

    Penalties should be harsher to discourage overspending. You miss a payment to players (outside of a Covid style situation) then automatic 10 point penalty.

    You spend more than 60% turnover on wages, automatic 10 point penalty.

    For repeat offenders, automatic relegation....or expulsion from the FA Cup.

    Appreciate this may be difficult based on not knowing what your turnover actually is but there must be a way of setting this up. Something needs to change.

  • Needs a combination of government push and decent EFL leadership showing a clear plan of how they can help all clubs increase incomes, Insurance against tough times, the need to support other clubs so they can trade with you and play against you.
    The split between EFL and Prem won't help or the deluded owners who think bunging in a few extra quid (probably not their own) is guaranteed to get them up.
    Needs regulation.

  • Agreed, whilst rule changes are at the vote of members and club owners continue to buy into the casino mentality nothing will change.

    What is needed is a governing body that is independent of the clubs, but works with them to advance and protect the game. There needs to be clear regulation of spending as a percentage of income, protected asset status for stadia, training grounds and other "community assets" to prevent the sale and leaseback nonsense that cost Wednesday and probably Derby a points penalty and ultimately caused the demise of Bury; some form of support bond (Insurance) that is there to help clubs in trouble, sustainability rules around debt management and percentage of debt versus assets that clubs can carry from one accounting period to the next etc.

  • No chance...that is not how members’ clubs operate. And it has always been this way...remember the farce of re-election.

  • The whole show is a shitfest tbh. So many different scenarios at each club, they will never get together and pull in the same direction. Too many egos, our club is bigger than yours, you own your ground we lease ours, we rent from a bloke called Kassam & we've only got three sides. I fear that clubs like Bury will just have to go bust & drop out of the leagues and be replaced by smaller clubs like Harrogate etc & it will just be repeat, repeat, repeat. I hope that Wycombe & the Couhigs will become role models for the future of football. I know it will make the leagues predictable as it's based around income but there will be the odd highs like Wycombe today & of course some lows as well, but at least we will have a football club in the town to pass over to the next generations.

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