I don't think these things are related. The model the club is adopting is that players are bought regardless of managers. It's the manager that is selected to play to a certain style and get the best out of players purchased over his head.
You could tell from the nudge-nudge-wink-wink interviews Blooms gave through December he was keen to bring in Morley, yet instead a few Scandi lads are brought in. Nothing wrong with that, but as MB hadn't met the first before he signed, it's clear they weren't bought with him in mind.
Can I accept they are a significantly bigger club (although the gap has closed considerably over 30 years) and still retain my hatred? It's a scummy town, shithole stadium, unpleasant fans and they just nicked our manager.
If there is any hint of that I would encourage Matt to follow that path. Indeed even if he had quit he could have taken that path.
But of all the things people have suggested has happened but hasn’t happened, I suspect this hasn’t happened the most.
i mean, if you really want to come up with scenarios that weren’t anywhere near happening, technically speaking Dan could have gone done the redundancy route by declaring there will be no role as a First Team Manager anymore so that role is defunct, and put a Head coach role in instead.
I should be used to my phone's Search for a Tune function by now, but every time I stare at the result in complete shock as if Jesus had walked in and whispered it in my ear.
My broader point was that we’ve never been so well backed. Gareth must be gutted on some level. He shopped in the bargain basement for years. And the new owners backed Matt to the hilt with his signings and he delivered.
The Morley issue is complex. We may want him more than anything. Bolton have cash and Bolton have the player under contract. They hold the cards, depriving what they perceive to be rival of a superb player. Might be nothing anyone can do. At the moment of course. Still time.
Bolton selling Dion Charles to Huddersfield this week surely discredits the suggestion that they don't want to sell Morley to us because we're a rival? I'd suggest that either the ownership wanted someone else (Westergaard) all along or the price they've quoted is more than we're willing to pay.
I think it's a sad state of affairs that Blooms has gone, a needless departure. He deserved the respect and the responsibility to choose his own players.
Yeah, Rice could have made suggestions, but as for one set of folk recruiting and another set having to pick a team from the hand they have been dealt just doesn't seem right to me.
I hope the two new Danes do well and I hope we get a good new manager. But for the life of me, I can't see any self-respecting manager being happy to put their reputation on the line when they are not doing the recruiting.
Schumacher would be a great choice, not sure if he will want to risk his proven track record if he is not going to be given full autonomy.
I hope all ends well but at the moment, feeling pretty apprehensive about the future.
The days of the all powerful manager running everything about the club like Fergie did is and has been dying for a while. We’re nowhere near the days of Miguel De Souza signing for “the fat man in a blue suit” and the sound of a gavel hitting the table.
I’m not sure I am wholly comfortable with it myself, but when you have multiple Billionaires owning clubs - ourselves included - can you really blame them for wanting their people involved heavily in transfer decisions reaching into the millions (or billions at the top of the game) rather than let a manager (who could be gone after 2 months of bad results) spend your own personal money without tight controls?
Because make no mistake - The players we have signed haven’t been signed with Wycombe Wanderers’ money. It’s ML’s money.
This is a bit old fashioned. Schumacher at Stoke had a head of recruitment and a director of football, plymouth had both aswell. I would guess, that the majority of clubs have head of recruitment and many directors of football or to that effect.
The days of managers just signing players are long gone, They will be involved, and maybe get a veto, but clubs want what's best overall not just for a manager.
It’s should also be pointed out, that if you are in a position where you DID have that level of control (like I suspect GA and MB had just because of the relatively streamlined way we had to run things) and it’s then taken away from you, it’s completely understandable to feel slighted, or not trusted, or having your hands tied by your new bosses.
Still doesn’t mean you should change the entire approach you want to implement if one person doesn’t like it.
I’m sure ML would act if Dan Rice started to want to run things completely differently to ML and the rest of the leaderships vision.
You do realise this is how pretty much all Premier and Championship teams work now ? If we actually advertised the job there would be hundreds of applications
To some extent but there's a difference in being presented with options and directors signing players on their own and now when we don't even have a manager in place. Some of those Prem clubs allow the managers input on the recruitment team appointments and others work very closely with the manager who might still have final say or a vote amongst 3 or 4.
It's all very different for someone who was in charge, had brought with him a recruitment specialist, and had already some success with the players he has brought in. Blooms made a hash of his first window, KVY and Keogh came with pedigree but without the legs and he maybe over indexed on experience but since then he's done great.
I kind of feel the need to repeat we really don't know what goes on at any club, the conversations that take place, how people are encouraged or discouraged, included or undermined but it is pretty clear MB wasn't entirely happy, and he also took an opportunity.
Reality is also he's won nothing, not taken a club up, maybe steered a couple away from the drop not that we should have been near it. He'll need to do well at Luton to last the season out and risks his progression but it's his choice.
I don't disagree with you. But people seem to keep forgetting Blooms obviously still did have a bit of a say, it's less than a week since he told us in an interview that HE wanted Bradley, and HE spoke to Paul Warne about him, and he got him. So to just keep seeing people say he didn't get a choice is wrong.
To be honest this thread is just going round and round, I don't think he should've gone but he has, we have to move on, no person is bigger than the club.
They could've let him go as soon as they took over but didn't. I think he obviously just didn't want to go the direction they want to now. You could argue they have done Matt a massive favour by letting him speak to other clubs now, as if we didn't end up getting promoted at the end of the season his stock might not have been as high, and might not have got a Championship job.
Anyway, it's match day, we all need to pull together and get behind the team today... onwards and upwards !
I kind of feel the need to repeat we really don't know what goes on at any club, the conversations that take place, how people are encouraged or discouraged, included or undermined but it is pretty clear MB wasn't entirely happy, and he also took an opportunity.
Reality is also he's won nothing, not taken a club up, maybe steered a couple away from the drop not that we should have been near it. He'll need to do well at Luton to last the season out and risks his progression but it's his choice.
Yes, He might end up telling all in years to come but even then it'll only be his side of the story, or they may both do and will likely have very different slants, people won't stop speculating but we'll likely never know and you are right it doesn't ultimately matter going forward and won't be undone. Time for some of us to probably give some threads a miss going forward but it's not realistic to stop people being annoyed or curious.
Why do people think that Westergaard has been signed without the managers input. The contract has been completed since he resigned, but negotiations will have been ongoing for a while.
Absolutely Fair. If he ever comes out with his side of the story, but he won't likely do that any time soon. He's getting on with his life and seems delighted with his choice.
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I don't think these things are related. The model the club is adopting is that players are bought regardless of managers. It's the manager that is selected to play to a certain style and get the best out of players purchased over his head.
You could tell from the nudge-nudge-wink-wink interviews Blooms gave through December he was keen to bring in Morley, yet instead a few Scandi lads are brought in. Nothing wrong with that, but as MB hadn't met the first before he signed, it's clear they weren't bought with him in mind.
We are standing in the way of Low!
Can I accept they are a significantly bigger club (although the gap has closed considerably over 30 years) and still retain my hatred? It's a scummy town, shithole stadium, unpleasant fans and they just nicked our manager.
If there is any hint of that I would encourage Matt to follow that path. Indeed even if he had quit he could have taken that path.
But of all the things people have suggested has happened but hasn’t happened, I suspect this hasn’t happened the most.
i mean, if you really want to come up with scenarios that weren’t anywhere near happening, technically speaking Dan could have gone done the redundancy route by declaring there will be no role as a First Team Manager anymore so that role is defunct, and put a Head coach role in instead.
Yeah, that's fair
Give it up @Shev
Same people saying same things.
The Mountain is You by Chance Pena
I should be used to my phone's Search for a Tune function by now, but every time I stare at the result in complete shock as if Jesus had walked in and whispered it in my ear.
Are we? Maybe the offer has not been good enough.
My broader point was that we’ve never been so well backed. Gareth must be gutted on some level. He shopped in the bargain basement for years. And the new owners backed Matt to the hilt with his signings and he delivered.
The Morley issue is complex. We may want him more than anything. Bolton have cash and Bolton have the player under contract. They hold the cards, depriving what they perceive to be rival of a superb player. Might be nothing anyone can do. At the moment of course. Still time.
Have we announced our new manager Mads Blumveld yet?
Max Blofeld! Sounds like a bit of a mixed up villain?
Bolton selling Dion Charles to Huddersfield this week surely discredits the suggestion that they don't want to sell Morley to us because we're a rival? I'd suggest that either the ownership wanted someone else (Westergaard) all along or the price they've quoted is more than we're willing to pay.
I think it's a sad state of affairs that Blooms has gone, a needless departure. He deserved the respect and the responsibility to choose his own players.
Yeah, Rice could have made suggestions, but as for one set of folk recruiting and another set having to pick a team from the hand they have been dealt just doesn't seem right to me.
I hope the two new Danes do well and I hope we get a good new manager. But for the life of me, I can't see any self-respecting manager being happy to put their reputation on the line when they are not doing the recruiting.
Schumacher would be a great choice, not sure if he will want to risk his proven track record if he is not going to be given full autonomy.
I hope all ends well but at the moment, feeling pretty apprehensive about the future.
The days of the all powerful manager running everything about the club like Fergie did is and has been dying for a while. We’re nowhere near the days of Miguel De Souza signing for “the fat man in a blue suit” and the sound of a gavel hitting the table.
I’m not sure I am wholly comfortable with it myself, but when you have multiple Billionaires owning clubs - ourselves included - can you really blame them for wanting their people involved heavily in transfer decisions reaching into the millions (or billions at the top of the game) rather than let a manager (who could be gone after 2 months of bad results) spend your own personal money without tight controls?
Because make no mistake - The players we have signed haven’t been signed with Wycombe Wanderers’ money. It’s ML’s money.
Footballs changed for better and worse.
WWFC has changed for better and worse.
This is a bit old fashioned. Schumacher at Stoke had a head of recruitment and a director of football, plymouth had both aswell. I would guess, that the majority of clubs have head of recruitment and many directors of football or to that effect.
The days of managers just signing players are long gone, They will be involved, and maybe get a veto, but clubs want what's best overall not just for a manager.
It’s should also be pointed out, that if you are in a position where you DID have that level of control (like I suspect GA and MB had just because of the relatively streamlined way we had to run things) and it’s then taken away from you, it’s completely understandable to feel slighted, or not trusted, or having your hands tied by your new bosses.
Still doesn’t mean you should change the entire approach you want to implement if one person doesn’t like it.
I’m sure ML would act if Dan Rice started to want to run things completely differently to ML and the rest of the leaderships vision.
You do realise this is how pretty much all Premier and Championship teams work now ? If we actually advertised the job there would be hundreds of applications
To some extent but there's a difference in being presented with options and directors signing players on their own and now when we don't even have a manager in place. Some of those Prem clubs allow the managers input on the recruitment team appointments and others work very closely with the manager who might still have final say or a vote amongst 3 or 4.
It's all very different for someone who was in charge, had brought with him a recruitment specialist, and had already some success with the players he has brought in. Blooms made a hash of his first window, KVY and Keogh came with pedigree but without the legs and he maybe over indexed on experience but since then he's done great.
I kind of feel the need to repeat we really don't know what goes on at any club, the conversations that take place, how people are encouraged or discouraged, included or undermined but it is pretty clear MB wasn't entirely happy, and he also took an opportunity.
Reality is also he's won nothing, not taken a club up, maybe steered a couple away from the drop not that we should have been near it. He'll need to do well at Luton to last the season out and risks his progression but it's his choice.
I don't disagree with you. But people seem to keep forgetting Blooms obviously still did have a bit of a say, it's less than a week since he told us in an interview that HE wanted Bradley, and HE spoke to Paul Warne about him, and he got him. So to just keep seeing people say he didn't get a choice is wrong.
To be honest this thread is just going round and round, I don't think he should've gone but he has, we have to move on, no person is bigger than the club.
They could've let him go as soon as they took over but didn't. I think he obviously just didn't want to go the direction they want to now. You could argue they have done Matt a massive favour by letting him speak to other clubs now, as if we didn't end up getting promoted at the end of the season his stock might not have been as high, and might not have got a Championship job.
Anyway, it's match day, we all need to pull together and get behind the team today... onwards and upwards !
I kind of feel the need to repeat we really don't know what goes on at any club, the conversations that take place, how people are encouraged or discouraged, included or undermined but it is pretty clear MB wasn't entirely happy, and he also took an opportunity.
Reality is also he's won nothing, not taken a club up, maybe steered a couple away from the drop not that we should have been near it. He'll need to do well at Luton to last the season out and risks his progression but it's his choice.
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Yes, He might end up telling all in years to come but even then it'll only be his side of the story, or they may both do and will likely have very different slants, people won't stop speculating but we'll likely never know and you are right it doesn't ultimately matter going forward and won't be undone. Time for some of us to probably give some threads a miss going forward but it's not realistic to stop people being annoyed or curious.
MB’s word means a bit more round these parts than the new management team’s.
Why do people think that Westergaard has been signed without the managers input. The contract has been completed since he resigned, but negotiations will have been ongoing for a while.
Absolutely Fair. If he ever comes out with his side of the story, but he won't likely do that any time soon. He's getting on with his life and seems delighted with his choice.