I don't dislike him at all. I just think he is a terrible manager who gets jobs based on his name, and it is remarkably funny that Plymouth fell into the trap despite Birmingham being a gigantic red flag last season.
Absolutely no problem with him as a human being. As a coach or manager, he is taking a job someone with talent could be doing.
He's very entertaining and informed on 'Stick to Football' so I can see why he gets jobs though I understand when he was playing he could be a complete bellend to staff and 'civilians'.
To be fair to Rooney, he has been friendly, approachable and likeable in the city and to Argyle supporters. Doesn't give the impression of a "big time charlie".
Argyle have a budget at the bottom end of the Championship and would be expected to struggle even with a top quality manager. I have doubts about whether Rooney is that but like @eric_plant I find the gloating at his expense a little distasteful to one of the best players the country has had in the last 25 years.
I think people are reacting against the constant media-genetated hype around him more than him as a person, aren't they? The constant "Wayne Rooney's Derby/Birmingham/Plymouth" thing. Similar to Lampard.
I was always under the impression that it was mandatory to dislike ALL players from Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea?
(I actually think there is probably an element of the English ‘nature’ to like to bring back to earth anyone who gives the impression of being too big for their boots [if that’s still a saying]. If you are successful in any walk of life and are in the public eye it is an absolute requirement to be [or give the impression of being] self-deprecating if you actually want to be liked).
I have no opinion on Mr Rooney one way or the other but it was amusing to see him fail at Birmingham - but that was much more about the circumstances of his appointment.
The Birmingham situation was absolutely baffling, and rightly mocked.
But how he does at Plymouth seems fairly unimportant. A poor team by championship levels will probably get relegated and funnily enough they're struggling against relegation.
I think multi-millionaire Wayne Rooney will survive a few giggles on a Wycombe forum, but I'll hold a moment of respectful silence just in case he is forever wounded.
The one thing I will give Rooney and Lampard credit for, they want to and are keen to get into coaching/management, to me it means they sort of want to give something back to the game. It would be so easy for them to just say sod it I'll have a nice little cushy number on TV every week like Neville, Redknapp and Carragher, telling all the managers what they should be doing despite never being brave enough to do it themselves.
I do have a broader question though - does anyone else feel the game is shifting away more and more from managers having to have played at a high level - or even at a league level? Or would the "lack of credibility" always be an issue?
In the NFL, for instance, coaches have often never played professionally, but specialize from a young age. Could we see a scenario where this is more of a reality in football? The mind and the body constitute very different areas for talent.
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I genuinely don't get why people dislike Wayne Rooney so much
One of our greatest ever players, if not the greatest
probably
But also a bang average coach
Maybe, but that's still not really a reason to dislike him is it?
My wife says he has a face like a smacked arse, and just leaves the debate there.
As an attempted retort, ”One of England’s greatest ever strikers” doesn’t even begin to break through her ‘low block’.
Given I do not know him, I neither like or dislike him.
Unfortunately his public persona I find is often surly & sullen - but still not a reason to like or dislike him.
I don't dislike him at all. I just think he is a terrible manager who gets jobs based on his name, and it is remarkably funny that Plymouth fell into the trap despite Birmingham being a gigantic red flag last season.
Absolutely no problem with him as a human being. As a coach or manager, he is taking a job someone with talent could be doing.
He's very entertaining and informed on 'Stick to Football' so I can see why he gets jobs though I understand when he was playing he could be a complete bellend to staff and 'civilians'.
To be fair to Rooney, he has been friendly, approachable and likeable in the city and to Argyle supporters. Doesn't give the impression of a "big time charlie".
Argyle have a budget at the bottom end of the Championship and would be expected to struggle even with a top quality manager. I have doubts about whether Rooney is that but like @eric_plant I find the gloating at his expense a little distasteful to one of the best players the country has had in the last 25 years.
He actually did quite well at Derby when they were in dire straits.
Really helped out the elderly as well, didn't he?
I think people are reacting against the constant media-genetated hype around him more than him as a person, aren't they? The constant "Wayne Rooney's Derby/Birmingham/Plymouth" thing. Similar to Lampard.
There's loads of big name ex players managing though aren't there? People don't moan on about them the whole time.
It's always been the case - big name ex player seduces some foolish board - give him the reigns, blows up terribly etc.
See Tony Adams.
I love this example of his work rate - 2-2, in the 96th minute, at the tail-end of his career... Almost Harvie-like in terms of lung-busting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWDwYSkQj5g
I was always under the impression that it was mandatory to dislike ALL players from Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea?
(I actually think there is probably an element of the English ‘nature’ to like to bring back to earth anyone who gives the impression of being too big for their boots [if that’s still a saying]. If you are successful in any walk of life and are in the public eye it is an absolute requirement to be [or give the impression of being] self-deprecating if you actually want to be liked).
I have no opinion on Mr Rooney one way or the other but it was amusing to see him fail at Birmingham - but that was much more about the circumstances of his appointment.
The Birmingham situation was absolutely baffling, and rightly mocked.
But how he does at Plymouth seems fairly unimportant. A poor team by championship levels will probably get relegated and funnily enough they're struggling against relegation.
And to his credit, he's not gone to Saudi or been parachuted in to Man U as a sop to irate fans.
I think multi-millionaire Wayne Rooney will survive a few giggles on a Wycombe forum, but I'll hold a moment of respectful silence just in case he is forever wounded.
The one thing I will give Rooney and Lampard credit for, they want to and are keen to get into coaching/management, to me it means they sort of want to give something back to the game. It would be so easy for them to just say sod it I'll have a nice little cushy number on TV every week like Neville, Redknapp and Carragher, telling all the managers what they should be doing despite never being brave enough to do it themselves.
There are loads of big name ex players managing, yes. Mostly on merit though. Is Tony Adams still managing?!
At least Neville (who did dabble in management and was shit at it) and Carragher know what they're talking about
That's a good point.
I do have a broader question though - does anyone else feel the game is shifting away more and more from managers having to have played at a high level - or even at a league level? Or would the "lack of credibility" always be an issue?
In the NFL, for instance, coaches have often never played professionally, but specialize from a young age. Could we see a scenario where this is more of a reality in football? The mind and the body constitute very different areas for talent.
It reminds me of a quote I heard about music theory, that it is "good for analyzing or criticizing, but not for creating".
Saudi World Cup confirmed. A bit grim.
Maybe the Gasroom should move into football management?
A lot grim.
But I'm sure the English FA have insisted on a lot of checks and balances and human rights reform before they gave it the okay.
Or punditry.
Maybe our own slot on WWTV.
Just need a North Korea world cup to complete the set now.