I notice Trevor still hasn't given any examples of similar 4th division players that have gone for a million. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it right.
I think 400k isn't a bad deal, I think it would be pretty rare that a goalie goes for huge cash anyway precisely for the reason that has already been mentioned, goalies are pretty easy to get on loan compared to outfield players, which reduces the urgency to pay a fee.
Anyway, whatever the truth of the matter, good luck to the big man.
The reality is that you can ask £100,000,000 for Matt Ingram if you like but if the market says £400k that is what he is worth. It was suggested that Swansea were also interested and this might have given us a market price as well (sorry to sound so commodity based).
Hopefully there are attainable add-ins and the deal will yield more. Also importantly this demonstrates to young players considering signing for us that there is a path to higher levels.
Being a development club might not give us a squad of Matt Bloomfields but it might allow us to see some bright stars even if it is for a handful of seasons.
@PBo - no-one outside the club knows the selling price. Whatever it is will have been obfuscated by the Harriman deal. Let's just accept that these days those involved are pretty shrewd and will not have been "shafted" as may sometimes have appeared to be the case in the past.
£400K plus add ons is a very good deal for a young unproven keeper. Yes he does have the potential to go all the way and if so then the add ons will kick in. You really need to understand hat developing young players like Ingram to sell on is our ONLY way to survive. It doesn't mean that we will not progress up the leagues. You just have to let these lads realise heir potential.
If that model doesn't suit your mindset then you just need to support a Premier League team.
Good luck to the lad, he deserves to progress. He'll always be "one of our own". And who knows, maybe the cash we've got from QPR may mean we're under less pressure to accept a knock-down deal for Pierre, or indeed any deal at all.
@trevor try not to be a total WUM. If £400,000 is the figure, history would suggest the club have maximised the asset, particularly if there are "add ons". As has been mentioned earlier, goalkeepers rarely command the sort of funds than a Matty Phillips. To say we lack ambition because we sell our best players and are happy to "languish in league 2", says more about you than the club. Maybe the alternative to selling him is to not pay players wages and or the taxman? What next, administration, insolvency, relegation to National league? I know which I prefer. Quite possibly, Ingram to QPR oiled the Harriman deal and made him affordable to a cash strapped WWFC? I'm pretty sure you find the whole concept a challenge, so probably best not to comment. Give Lynch a chance and support him as the guardian of the nets, have faith in Gareth Ainsworth, you never know we might get a good loanee in we we need him. All good back scratching to keep the club competitive at an affordable cost? Good luck to Ingram the club and player have been good to each other and maybe the change of scenery will help him push on to become even better.
I'm reading on other social media outlets, that the vast majority of people are outraged at the supposedly 400,000 k being far too low.
Had Ingram been the complete keeper i would agree, but QPR are taking a gamble.
Anyone who has watched Ingram's career develop,will be aware his alarming weakness is dealing with crosses and general command of his area.
I think Ingram has made the wise choice, to go to a club where he will start as number 2 keeper and will be able to play in reserve/under 21 to work on this area with Rangers specialised coaches.
Hopefully this area, and the continual improvement in his kicking will enable to him to become a top keeper and allow himself and the club enhanced riches in the future.
Good move for Matt.Long deal so a bit of security for him and close to his roots in Wycombe. I agree fully with some of the earlier comments that the club is now run on a better basis than " Hayes era" and in AH & GA we have a good team. Like others I am disappointed in the take up to date on the share scheme especially when you can see some of the improvements at the ground & medical facilities that this has provided.
I think raising over a third (over £700k) of an optimistic £2mil 5 year target isn't a bad place to be at this stage. The concern would be that the initial groundswell has now died down and the Trust aren't any longer receiving the steady flow of contributions you would hope for into the share scheme.
The stronger disappointment would be less than 300 (under 10% of our average home gate) have invested at all. Some people have been very generous. Of course many people cannot afford another means of supporting the club but we now have stronger leadership, better foundations and a real sense of togetherness as a club and we need to keep it.
We had a cracking turnaround season last year, with the team delivering a brilliant day out at Wembley and another one at Villa Park earlier this week. The continual improvements made on and off the pitch can hopefully continue and the share scheme will be a key vehicle to drive it. In countries like Germany you see fanbases so proud of their own club and we have gained good press from our Cup run for our volunteer spirit and fan-owned status - we can be a real example and leader of how to run the supporter owned model. Between 2004 and 2012 we slowly lost that and it's taken some time to get it back so we need to drive forwards and hopefully with more days like Wembley and nights like Tuesday, more people will soon buy into it and we can keep moving forwards towards a stable base where we don't have to sell the next Matt Ingram to help keep us on track. As a fan owned club we must realise we all must contribute towards those goals. I don't want the club back in the hands of an individual as for me it would again kill so much of what is so good about our club.
Please do a good deed for the day and hand over your £20 a year to the Trust table in reception today and mention to your mate he should do the same, as it is our club after all.
I have to say I find it a bit arrogant that yet again (micra in this instance) we have someone suggesting people ignore someone . People may disagree with Trevor but the man is not antagonistic , he is not abusive and for the most part I for one have no issue with his views which is all he ever expresses . This condescending move to "ignore" people when they express what they feel is wrong in my opinion. If anyone wants to ignore someone then just do it . Trying to use the action as some way of suggesting a view is beneath you and that others should also dismiss a view and therefore show an equal lack of respect. I agree with richmayes 999 when he suggests there is a group on here who use this forum for the purpose of bullying .
bourne70 I must say I agree with you wholeheartedly. After all, this is a discussion forum and you expect people to have differing views.
Let us not allow the site to be dominated by the few who are quick to cut down anyone who has an alternative view, or may not be as articulate.
Long live free speech on this site less any abusive behaviour that is!
Trevor, I do not always agree with your views but please keep contributing and don't let anyone drive you away.
If the fee for Ingram is 400k plus decent add ons then it is a good deal for the club now but how much can Ingram improve when sitting on the bench or playing in u21s/reserve games which isn't as competitive as league 2 in my opinion improve him? Which would bring maybe a sell on fee into play benefiting wycombe
@ strongest Team . Trevor does not intentionally wind people up in my opinion . I agree the ignore button is useful but not if it is abused in the way I mention above .
I only 'ignore' one person because he is a complete troll who ruins my enjoyment of the site and appears to post predominantly to get a reaction and annoy.
As @bourne70 says, there's no harm in what Trevor is saying at all so I wouldn't ignore him. That said, it is not bullying to challenge his hysterical reactions or ask him questions about how he's arrived at his valuations.
To be fair to @micra he's stuck up for 'the ignored' in the past so it could be argued that calling him 'arrogant' is a bit bullying in itself,
Without going over old ground I have very little agreement with @bourne70 who seems to think that I want to delete his posts (which is not true) but I don't ignore him as I don't believe he is posting for effect. However, any comment on a public forum is up for challenge and this does not constitute bullying - a serious word that is being used here far too cheaply in my opinion.
how am i here to wind up i just want best fee for this club when comes to transfers if anything im wound up also if bentley is valued at 1.5m then how can ingram be just 400k should be around 750k to 800k plus if it was 400k plus say 25 percent future deal and 300k over the year might be better deal i doubt its that at all thought we will never know anyway its undisclosed
@Blue_since_1990 said:
Let us not allow the site to be dominated by the few who are quick to cut down anyone who has an alternative view, or may not be as articulate.
Long live free speech on this site less any abusive behaviour that is!
It could be argued that if this site was being dominated by anything it was by a wind up merchant posting rubbish on every thread going.
And your last line is priceless. I think it translates as 'long live free speech but if you challenge me it's bullying'.
@ arnos_grove . I have said my bit and I will say no more except to say : it will be interesting to see if you concede any ground what so ever if @Blue_since_1990 chooses to take you to task . I doubt you will have the humility even if you prove to be incorrect . Your default position seems to be that you are always correct .
i actually thought micra's original comment about Trevor that you jumped on your high horse for was meant in a friendly, jokey manner.
I do think we need to be careful on this site about being too antagonistic with some posters though. Clearly they must be suffering from high blood pressure/boiling blood and it may not be good for their health to be rude to them.
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All the best to Matt and many thanks, a well deserved move for him.
Let's all get behind Alex tomorrow, he now has a great opportunity ahead.
I notice Trevor still hasn't given any examples of similar 4th division players that have gone for a million. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it right.
Don't you think Weymouth felt the same about Stewart Beavon? You could cite any number of examples of players coming through the non league.
By your rationale we should splash £200k on a striker that has scored goals in the conference south.
When you get a player from a lower division there is a discount because he is unproven at a higher level.
I think 400k isn't a bad deal, I think it would be pretty rare that a goalie goes for huge cash anyway precisely for the reason that has already been mentioned, goalies are pretty easy to get on loan compared to outfield players, which reduces the urgency to pay a fee.
Anyway, whatever the truth of the matter, good luck to the big man.
The reality is that you can ask £100,000,000 for Matt Ingram if you like but if the market says £400k that is what he is worth. It was suggested that Swansea were also interested and this might have given us a market price as well (sorry to sound so commodity based).
Hopefully there are attainable add-ins and the deal will yield more. Also importantly this demonstrates to young players considering signing for us that there is a path to higher levels.
Being a development club might not give us a squad of Matt Bloomfields but it might allow us to see some bright stars even if it is for a handful of seasons.
@PBo - no-one outside the club knows the selling price. Whatever it is will have been obfuscated by the Harriman deal. Let's just accept that these days those involved are pretty shrewd and will not have been "shafted" as may sometimes have appeared to be the case in the past.
I agree with micra . I think the current chairman will have negotiated the best possible deal for the club .
£400K plus add ons is a very good deal for a young unproven keeper. Yes he does have the potential to go all the way and if so then the add ons will kick in. You really need to understand hat developing young players like Ingram to sell on is our ONLY way to survive. It doesn't mean that we will not progress up the leagues. You just have to let these lads realise heir potential.
If that model doesn't suit your mindset then you just need to support a Premier League team.
Good luck to the lad, he deserves to progress. He'll always be "one of our own". And who knows, maybe the cash we've got from QPR may mean we're under less pressure to accept a knock-down deal for Pierre, or indeed any deal at all.
@trevor try not to be a total WUM. If £400,000 is the figure, history would suggest the club have maximised the asset, particularly if there are "add ons". As has been mentioned earlier, goalkeepers rarely command the sort of funds than a Matty Phillips. To say we lack ambition because we sell our best players and are happy to "languish in league 2", says more about you than the club. Maybe the alternative to selling him is to not pay players wages and or the taxman? What next, administration, insolvency, relegation to National league? I know which I prefer. Quite possibly, Ingram to QPR oiled the Harriman deal and made him affordable to a cash strapped WWFC? I'm pretty sure you find the whole concept a challenge, so probably best not to comment. Give Lynch a chance and support him as the guardian of the nets, have faith in Gareth Ainsworth, you never know we might get a good loanee in we we need him. All good back scratching to keep the club competitive at an affordable cost? Good luck to Ingram the club and player have been good to each other and maybe the change of scenery will help him push on to become even better.
We love Trevor of course (?) but don't forget the "ignore" option guys - electronically or just by simply, well, err, ignoring him.
I'm not Eddie Monsoon by the way.
I'm reading on other social media outlets, that the vast majority of people are outraged at the supposedly 400,000 k being far too low.
Had Ingram been the complete keeper i would agree, but QPR are taking a gamble.
Anyone who has watched Ingram's career develop,will be aware his alarming weakness is dealing with crosses and general command of his area.
I think Ingram has made the wise choice, to go to a club where he will start as number 2 keeper and will be able to play in reserve/under 21 to work on this area with Rangers specialised coaches.
Hopefully this area, and the continual improvement in his kicking will enable to him to become a top keeper and allow himself and the club enhanced riches in the future.
Sounds sound@ChasHarps.
Good move for Matt.Long deal so a bit of security for him and close to his roots in Wycombe. I agree fully with some of the earlier comments that the club is now run on a better basis than " Hayes era" and in AH & GA we have a good team. Like others I am disappointed in the take up to date on the share scheme especially when you can see some of the improvements at the ground & medical facilities that this has provided.
Agree. Response has been very disappointing.
I think raising over a third (over £700k) of an optimistic £2mil 5 year target isn't a bad place to be at this stage. The concern would be that the initial groundswell has now died down and the Trust aren't any longer receiving the steady flow of contributions you would hope for into the share scheme.
The stronger disappointment would be less than 300 (under 10% of our average home gate) have invested at all. Some people have been very generous. Of course many people cannot afford another means of supporting the club but we now have stronger leadership, better foundations and a real sense of togetherness as a club and we need to keep it.
We had a cracking turnaround season last year, with the team delivering a brilliant day out at Wembley and another one at Villa Park earlier this week. The continual improvements made on and off the pitch can hopefully continue and the share scheme will be a key vehicle to drive it. In countries like Germany you see fanbases so proud of their own club and we have gained good press from our Cup run for our volunteer spirit and fan-owned status - we can be a real example and leader of how to run the supporter owned model. Between 2004 and 2012 we slowly lost that and it's taken some time to get it back so we need to drive forwards and hopefully with more days like Wembley and nights like Tuesday, more people will soon buy into it and we can keep moving forwards towards a stable base where we don't have to sell the next Matt Ingram to help keep us on track. As a fan owned club we must realise we all must contribute towards those goals. I don't want the club back in the hands of an individual as for me it would again kill so much of what is so good about our club.
Please do a good deed for the day and hand over your £20 a year to the Trust table in reception today and mention to your mate he should do the same, as it is our club after all.
Can you invest in the share scheme over the phone? I'm too ill to travel up from Somerset and got confused trying to find out more online.
@AlanCecil probably your best man on the admin side of things. Alan can you contact @robin please?
I have to say I find it a bit arrogant that yet again (micra in this instance) we have someone suggesting people ignore someone . People may disagree with Trevor but the man is not antagonistic , he is not abusive and for the most part I for one have no issue with his views which is all he ever expresses . This condescending move to "ignore" people when they express what they feel is wrong in my opinion. If anyone wants to ignore someone then just do it . Trying to use the action as some way of suggesting a view is beneath you and that others should also dismiss a view and therefore show an equal lack of respect. I agree with richmayes 999 when he suggests there is a group on here who use this forum for the purpose of bullying .
bourne70 I must say I agree with you wholeheartedly. After all, this is a discussion forum and you expect people to have differing views.
Let us not allow the site to be dominated by the few who are quick to cut down anyone who has an alternative view, or may not be as articulate.
Long live free speech on this site less any abusive behaviour that is!
Trevor, I do not always agree with your views but please keep contributing and don't let anyone drive you away.
If the fee for Ingram is 400k plus decent add ons then it is a good deal for the club now but how much can Ingram improve when sitting on the bench or playing in u21s/reserve games which isn't as competitive as league 2 in my opinion improve him? Which would bring maybe a sell on fee into play benefiting wycombe
All the best Matt show em why you're one of the best prospects in the country. one of our own.
@ strongest Team . Trevor does not intentionally wind people up in my opinion . I agree the ignore button is useful but not if it is abused in the way I mention above .
I only 'ignore' one person because he is a complete troll who ruins my enjoyment of the site and appears to post predominantly to get a reaction and annoy.
As @bourne70 says, there's no harm in what Trevor is saying at all so I wouldn't ignore him. That said, it is not bullying to challenge his hysterical reactions or ask him questions about how he's arrived at his valuations.
To be fair to @micra he's stuck up for 'the ignored' in the past so it could be argued that calling him 'arrogant' is a bit bullying in itself,
Without going over old ground I have very little agreement with @bourne70 who seems to think that I want to delete his posts (which is not true) but I don't ignore him as I don't believe he is posting for effect. However, any comment on a public forum is up for challenge and this does not constitute bullying - a serious word that is being used here far too cheaply in my opinion.
how am i here to wind up i just want best fee for this club when comes to transfers if anything im wound up also if bentley is valued at 1.5m then how can ingram be just 400k should be around 750k to 800k plus if it was 400k plus say 25 percent future deal and 300k over the year might be better deal i doubt its that at all thought we will never know anyway its undisclosed
It could be argued that if this site was being dominated by anything it was by a wind up merchant posting rubbish on every thread going.
And your last line is priceless. I think it translates as 'long live free speech but if you challenge me it's bullying'.
@ arnos_grove . I have said my bit and I will say no more except to say : it will be interesting to see if you concede any ground what so ever if @Blue_since_1990 chooses to take you to task . I doubt you will have the humility even if you prove to be incorrect . Your default position seems to be that you are always correct .
Surely that's everyone's default position?
i actually thought micra's original comment about Trevor that you jumped on your high horse for was meant in a friendly, jokey manner.
I do think we need to be careful on this site about being too antagonistic with some posters though. Clearly they must be suffering from high blood pressure/boiling blood and it may not be good for their health to be rude to them.