An absolutely bonkers end to the Championship season. League games against Nottingham Forest, Stoke City, Derby County, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough and Sheffield Wednesday amongst others.
You better believe we're a part of the best league in the country.
@Brownie said:
An absolutely bonkers end to the Championship season. League games against Nottingham Forest, Stoke City, Derby County, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough and Sheffield Wednesday amongst others.
You better believe we're a part of the best league in the country.
@Brownie said:
An absolutely bonkers end to the Championship season. League games against Nottingham Forest, Stoke City, Derby County, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough and Sheffield Wednesday amongst others.
You better believe we're a part of the best league in the country.
Yep, a truly superb last day. Champions aside, everything else up for grabs, and a critical goal affecting top and bottom coming in the last 5mins.
So after tonight's games the teams for next season are the following:
Barnsley
Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Bristol City
Coventry City
Derby County
Huddersfield Town
Luton Town
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Preston North End
Queens Park Rangers
Reading
Rotherham United
Sheffield Wednesday
Stoke City
Wycombe Wanderers
I wouldn't be surprised if Sheffield Wednesday get a points deduction and are relegated instead of Charlton Athletic but who knows? This sure will be an exciting division that's for sure!
What is really bizarre is that without the sale of the ground they had lost £66m over 3 years and they are not alone in that sort of casino mentality in the Championship as highlighted by the latest report from the DCMS Committee
@mooneyman said:
If Wednesday lose their appeal (which is probably unlikely due to their "big club" status) then surely any points deduction will be next season.
Would that not be unfair on Wigan and Charlton though?
The problem is the bigger/richer clubs will always legal their way out of proper punishment - points deductions reduced to fines on appeal etc. Breaking financial rules should be automatic relegation without appeal. Only then can football's financial madhouse come to an end.
@mooneyman said:
If Wednesday lose their appeal (which is probably unlikely due to their "big club" status) then surely any points deduction will be next season.
Would that not be unfair on Wigan and Charlton though?
You could argue that, but Wigan had to have the automatic 12 point deduction for going into administration. Even if Wednesday were given a points deduction, Wigan being second from bottom, would still have been relegated.
With Wednesday's appeal not dealt with yet and the new season not far away I'm not sure you can leave Charlton not knowing what division they are playing in until the last moment.
If the appeal tribunal uphold the original points deduction and deem the appeal "frivolous" then they ought to deduct further points.
@eric_plant said:
I think it's unbelievably harsh to deduct points from Wigan myself
I partly agree with you, but if you start allowing appeals against automatic deductions for going into administration, the already chaotic EFL will become a circus.
I cant see the appeal board have any choice but to deduct Wigan the 12 points myself. The precedent if they do overturn would be horrible. Like all I do have sympathy for Wigan's plight. Lg1 football is not the end of the world though. Survival far more important.
Sheffield situation is a far bigger mess. As I understand it. there hasn't even been a ruling on that yet and once there is a ruling, Sheffield have time to appeal. Hard to see how that can be done in time to apply to this season but if not Charlton (or Barnsley depending on Wigan) may well have grounds for legal challenge if they end up being affected by apparent excessive delay.
While it likely doesnt affect relegation, I understand Derby are similarly subject to potential points deduction. Meanwhile Macclesfield EFL appeal not determined yet either.
How many more clubs may yet be caught up in the financial maelstrom post covid - will all 72 start the season whenever that is. If so how many will start on a negative?
I've not really seen it discussed anywhere yet, but whilst its likely that the Championship season will start mid-September/early October regardless of whether its behind closed doors or not, I do wonder whether that will apply to the lower leagues, if we get a second spike/wave that deems the experiments of letting spectators into sporting events is a failure.
Leagues 1 and 2 made a good case for the financial non-viability of playing out the season behind closed doors and its hard to see the reasons for that being much different if there is significant doubt about whether fans can be admitted before, say, Christmas.
Its not impossible that one of the side effects of promotion is that we find ourselves with a full season to play (hopefully anyway) next year, whereas our friends from Oxford, Peterborough and Sunderland may have to make do with perhaps a somewhat slimmed down fixture list for next season.
@bookertease said:
I've not really seen it discussed anywhere yet, but whilst its likely that the Championship season will start mid-September/early October regardless of whether its behind closed doors or not, I do wonder whether that will apply to the lower leagues, if we get a second spike/wave that deems the experiments of letting spectators into sporting events is a failure.
Leagues 1 and 2 made a good case for the financial non-viability of playing out the season behind closed doors and its hard to see the reasons for that being much different if there is significant doubt about whether fans can be admitted before, say, Christmas.
Its not impossible that one of the side effects of promotion is that we find ourselves with a full season to play (hopefully anyway) next year, whereas our friends from Oxford, Peterborough and Sunderland may have to make do with perhaps a somewhat slimmed down fixture list for next season.
If it was possible to bet on, I'd put good money on leagues 1 and 2 being severely impacted next season, a couple of chairman have already made noises about only returning with crowds, and it's extremely likely that once the temperatures drop and the virus spreads again, that lockdown will have to be reimplemented. I can easily envisage the leagues waiting to start till October with crowds, having a few games with some sort of crowd, then being back off again until the end of February /March, such is the incompetence of this govt that anything could happen though, logic, random or even 10,000s of deaths don't seem to matter.
Surely the EFL will see this looming and have a vague plan? Pre-agree a number of matches that need to be reached for a season to be able to be considered "valid" for example.
@eric_plant said:
I think it's unbelievably harsh to deduct points from Wigan myself
I partly agree with you, but if you start allowing appeals against automatic deductions for going into administration, the already chaotic EFL will become a circus.
I think the EFL already are as you described @mooneyman
@Username have you not been listening? Virus is now DONE, BEATEN, VANQUISHED and if it comes back it's all the fault/responsibility of local government/hospitals/football clubs from now on. Cummings and co have bigger fish to fry...
It's somewhat ironic that with all the criticism of clubs sacking managers, Hull, Wigan and Charlton all finished with the individuals they started the season with. In the Premier, Norwich and Bournemouth kept theirs as did Villa who only just avoided the drop (probably).
Strange thing about Wigan. I remember when Paul Jewel was manager & Dave Wheeler was pumping money into the club. They had secured promotion at our place and at the end of the game, I can clearly relive the taunting, directly at me on my way out, of a bleached blonde haired lad, "we'll never see you again". Extraordinary, that he turned out to be correct, but not in the manner he meant I would suggest. I have, ever since always had a dislike for their club, (irrational I know) and find difficulty in having much sympathy even if I know I should.
TBH I am can not remember the year. It may well be that they were odds on favourites & were nailed on with Wheelers money. I can remember that we were not looking hoping for anything but hope for a draw & were played off the park so your 0-2 cold have been correct? Certain though it was the back end of the season as it was a lovely sunny & warm day. My memory isn't what it used to be. Apart from, the fact that moment definitely happened & I have carried it on my shoulders since.
We don't know if the virus will return and if so when and to what intensity. The theory about returning when it is cold and wet is just a theory - its doing pretty well in Florida in 90 degree weather.
As soon as judged safe to admit crowds start the season and go from there. Doesnt seem out of the question for Lg1 and 2 to play on until end of June of necessary (overlapping with Euros if required)
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An absolutely bonkers end to the Championship season. League games against Nottingham Forest, Stoke City, Derby County, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough and Sheffield Wednesday amongst others.
You better believe we're a part of the best league in the country.
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Yep, a truly superb last day. Champions aside, everything else up for grabs, and a critical goal affecting top and bottom coming in the last 5mins.
Incredible scenes.
Luton ended finishing 19th! I’ve got no tome for them but that’s a tremendous season.
Wycombe, Luton and Coventry in the second tier together, the third season after the 2017-18 League Two season. Greatest L2 class ever?
You'd have to make Swansea favourites for the playoffs after they snuck in at Forest's expense.
Stunning collapse from Forest. Good.
So after tonight's games the teams for next season are the following:
Barnsley
Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Bristol City
Coventry City
Derby County
Huddersfield Town
Luton Town
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Preston North End
Queens Park Rangers
Reading
Rotherham United
Sheffield Wednesday
Stoke City
Wycombe Wanderers
I wouldn't be surprised if Sheffield Wednesday get a points deduction and are relegated instead of Charlton Athletic but who knows? This sure will be an exciting division that's for sure!
I've missed the Wednesday story. For what reason might they have points deducted?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50418776
This is why
So they were aware in November, but haven't investigated and issued a punishment by July?
Bizarre.
If Wednesday lose their appeal (which is probably unlikely due to their "big club" status) then surely any points deduction will be next season.
What is really bizarre is that without the sale of the ground they had lost £66m over 3 years and they are not alone in that sort of casino mentality in the Championship as highlighted by the latest report from the DCMS Committee
A rule that allows a £39m loss over 3 years really does set the tone for the madness
Would that not be unfair on Wigan and Charlton though?
The problem is the bigger/richer clubs will always legal their way out of proper punishment - points deductions reduced to fines on appeal etc. Breaking financial rules should be automatic relegation without appeal. Only then can football's financial madhouse come to an end.
You could argue that, but Wigan had to have the automatic 12 point deduction for going into administration. Even if Wednesday were given a points deduction, Wigan being second from bottom, would still have been relegated.
With Wednesday's appeal not dealt with yet and the new season not far away I'm not sure you can leave Charlton not knowing what division they are playing in until the last moment.
If the appeal tribunal uphold the original points deduction and deem the appeal "frivolous" then they ought to deduct further points.
When you read down the list and add in the other five from seven who will add to it - these are the days of gold
I think it's unbelievably harsh to deduct points from Wigan myself
I partly agree with you, but if you start allowing appeals against automatic deductions for going into administration, the already chaotic EFL will become a circus.
I cant see the appeal board have any choice but to deduct Wigan the 12 points myself. The precedent if they do overturn would be horrible. Like all I do have sympathy for Wigan's plight. Lg1 football is not the end of the world though. Survival far more important.
Sheffield situation is a far bigger mess. As I understand it. there hasn't even been a ruling on that yet and once there is a ruling, Sheffield have time to appeal. Hard to see how that can be done in time to apply to this season but if not Charlton (or Barnsley depending on Wigan) may well have grounds for legal challenge if they end up being affected by apparent excessive delay.
While it likely doesnt affect relegation, I understand Derby are similarly subject to potential points deduction. Meanwhile Macclesfield EFL appeal not determined yet either.
How many more clubs may yet be caught up in the financial maelstrom post covid - will all 72 start the season whenever that is. If so how many will start on a negative?
I've not really seen it discussed anywhere yet, but whilst its likely that the Championship season will start mid-September/early October regardless of whether its behind closed doors or not, I do wonder whether that will apply to the lower leagues, if we get a second spike/wave that deems the experiments of letting spectators into sporting events is a failure.
Leagues 1 and 2 made a good case for the financial non-viability of playing out the season behind closed doors and its hard to see the reasons for that being much different if there is significant doubt about whether fans can be admitted before, say, Christmas.
Its not impossible that one of the side effects of promotion is that we find ourselves with a full season to play (hopefully anyway) next year, whereas our friends from Oxford, Peterborough and Sunderland may have to make do with perhaps a somewhat slimmed down fixture list for next season.
If it was possible to bet on, I'd put good money on leagues 1 and 2 being severely impacted next season, a couple of chairman have already made noises about only returning with crowds, and it's extremely likely that once the temperatures drop and the virus spreads again, that lockdown will have to be reimplemented. I can easily envisage the leagues waiting to start till October with crowds, having a few games with some sort of crowd, then being back off again until the end of February /March, such is the incompetence of this govt that anything could happen though, logic, random or even 10,000s of deaths don't seem to matter.
Surely the EFL will see this looming and have a vague plan? Pre-agree a number of matches that need to be reached for a season to be able to be considered "valid" for example.
I think the EFL already are as you described @mooneyman
@Username have you not been listening? Virus is now DONE, BEATEN, VANQUISHED and if it comes back it's all the fault/responsibility of local government/hospitals/football clubs from now on. Cummings and co have bigger fish to fry...
It's somewhat ironic that with all the criticism of clubs sacking managers, Hull, Wigan and Charlton all finished with the individuals they started the season with. In the Premier, Norwich and Bournemouth kept theirs as did Villa who only just avoided the drop (probably).
Strange thing about Wigan. I remember when Paul Jewel was manager & Dave Wheeler was pumping money into the club. They had secured promotion at our place and at the end of the game, I can clearly relive the taunting, directly at me on my way out, of a bleached blonde haired lad, "we'll never see you again". Extraordinary, that he turned out to be correct, but not in the manner he meant I would suggest. I have, ever since always had a dislike for their club, (irrational I know) and find difficulty in having much sympathy even if I know I should.
@EwanHoosaami Which game was that? My first game was Wycombe 0-2 Wigan in Feb 03 and they can't have secured promotion that early, surely?
TBH I am can not remember the year. It may well be that they were odds on favourites & were nailed on with Wheelers money. I can remember that we were not looking hoping for anything but hope for a draw & were played off the park so your 0-2 cold have been correct? Certain though it was the back end of the season as it was a lovely sunny & warm day. My memory isn't what it used to be. Apart from, the fact that moment definitely happened & I have carried it on my shoulders since.
We don't know if the virus will return and if so when and to what intensity. The theory about returning when it is cold and wet is just a theory - its doing pretty well in Florida in 90 degree weather.
As soon as judged safe to admit crowds start the season and go from there. Doesnt seem out of the question for Lg1 and 2 to play on until end of June of necessary (overlapping with Euros if required)