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  • Why is he wearing a mask then?

  • Didn't Trump start off trying to brush it off as next to nothing as well?

  • Mmm, I have my doubts that @Lloyd2084 would agree with that mans view?

  • @Shev said:
    @mooneyman - I referred to death totals, not cases. I agree cases are impossible to know accurately, but deaths should be more cut and dried.

    You would think so but they are not. For example the death toll due to seasonal flu for the UK is somewhere between about 300 to 20,000 per annum on average depending on what you read and how they have interpreted the cause of death.

    If I understand it, the low number is where the flu killed directly. The high one is where flu was a factor in the death. For instance the flu makes the person susceptible to pneumonia and that kills. So without flu the person lives. In such a case flu virus may no longer be present in the person but will be reported as part of the cause of death and is thus countable as a flu death.

    I have no idea if the death toll we hear is directly due to covid-19 but I think it is.

  • Blimey. Countrywide lockdown it is.

    A necessary measure it seems after the scenes at the weekend.

    Stay safe people.

  • @mooneyman said:
    Why is he wearing a mask then?

    And either he’s wearing it on his chin because he wants to say something or he’s not completely understood how face masks work.

  • @BuckinghamBlue said:

    @mooneyman said:
    Why is he wearing a mask then?

    And either he’s wearing it on his chin because he wants to say something or he’s not completely understood how face masks work.

    Or he's starting a new trend.

  • @chairboyscentral said:
    He's doing his address at 8:30 tonight, lockdown incoming I suspect.

    Happier with today's announcement? Can I trade my one piece of exercise with someone else? Would be a waste on me.

  • Better tone and measures Def needed, still some big gaps around who is key (whole companies/industry's??) what happens to self employed / homeless etc, how can people get home deliveries who need them etc, priority seems to be existing customers not seniors and quarantined.

  • @Right_in_the_Middle said:

    @chairboyscentral said:
    He's doing his address at 8:30 tonight, lockdown incoming I suspect.

    Happier with today's announcement? Can I trade my one piece of exercise with someone else? Would be a waste on me.

    I'll take it...Just one a day will be a limit for me :(

  • Worldwide Right wingers of all stripes still trying explain their lack of action by pointing the finger of blame at someone foreign or the press for something they cannot control. I'm no fan of our Glorious Leader and we can argue the toss about the speed of response but I do think he has some empathy and has been striking the right balance at pressers and his statements. Not making things up while doctors put their heads in their hands, or shouting at the media or blaming China. I bet all that vital 'socialist' spending is getting up PM Cummings nose though. That said...the NHS is still frighteningly short of anything but the most basic equipment. Doctors, nurses and paramedics do not lie. Good Bloke Hancock last night said that all the equipment IS there but it is the logistics of getting it to where it needs to go. C4 News reporter: 'But Amazon can get a kettle to me the next day...'

  • I had heard this was likely yesterday.

    Given that it is far from clear whether football can start in August and if it does whether we will be in the same position next winter, surely better to play through this season when possible, start the next one as soon as possible thereafter and then find a way to get back on track when reasonably sure it’s over for good.

  • Interesting development. Wonder what the reason for it coming now is?

    If steps 3-6 are making their call now, what happens if they all void it, when the conference and north/south haven't?

    I think eventually it'll dawn that we'll have to void the whole season. Which will be a kick

  • @DevC is spot on. We could end up playing the same season three times if we void this one, and the. Coronavirus comes back next winter. Far better to finish this season when possible, start the next one when possible, and go from there.

  • @Shev said:
    @DevC is spot on. We could end up playing the same season three times if we void this one, and the. Coronavirus comes back next winter. Far better to finish this season when possible, start the next one when possible, and go from there.

    And what happens if it only starts in October? We, like many teams, have got players out of contract in the summer.

  • edited March 2020

    Interesting piece on the significance of 30th June, a date that ordinarily passes us by: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/coronavirus-premier-league-transfer-window-30-june-latest-a9421211.html

  • edited March 2020

    The only thing which might help re. contracts is that there won't be a transfer window until this season is finished - there can't be in the interests of fairness. If players - apart from those who'd be released anyway - decide to leave, there won't be anywhere for them to go.

    You have to finish this season. Then if next season ends up shortened or taking a different format, everyone knows that at the outset.

  • Money will always be a massive factor in everything. There's talk of the premier league potentially losing 790million or so if they don't finish the season.

    But then how much would they lose for a partial/null next season?

    And how do you get round shirt sponsorships and suchlike? If they're due to start summer 2020?

    I think there's a massive set of headaches for everyone here.

  • Excluding the Premier League which is a law unto themselves, surely the rest of the football pyramid has to follow each other. You can't have the 9th and 10th tier voiding the season and say the 7th and 8th deciding to finish it later in the year.

    If the EFL decided to complete the season in say July and August I would not be seeing many games as I enjoy cricket and playing golf. I doubt if I am the only supporter who has other interests in the summer.

    My personal choice would be to treat the season as over and decide promotion and relegation on the current positions but that won't happen. There may be problems with teams having games in hand but whether would actually affect ups and downs I haven't checked. There will be threats of legal action, but there would also be if you voided the season.

  • edited March 2020

    Only way of settling the season now that's even close to fair is PPG, but that's still far from ideal. But it would send us up assuming no play-offs.

  • And (perhaps conveneintly) that gets us promoted @chairboyscentral

    Personally I think the contracts issue is a red herring. Always used t have transfers allowed up to transfer deadline day 4 or 5 games before end of season. If some players change clubs on 30 June before end of season, so what?

    Madness for me to have a convoluted season this season, every chance of another next year if virus comes back in winter and then more convolutions for the 2022 world cup.

    Just end this one when you can with whatever squads clubs then employ, start next one as soon as possible afterwards and finish that one when you can and if the virus is then gone/controlled work out then what to do in conjunction with 2022 world cup to get back to normal or take chance to move to summer not winter season/winter breaks etc.

  • @chairboyscentral said:
    Only way of settling the season now that's even close to fair is PPG, but that's still far from ideal. But it would send us up assuming no play-offs.

    Only send us up if a simple PPG is used. Once you start a more complex formula based on who you’ve played, whether home/away and their relative positions it isn’t certain. Depends on the formula proposed/agreed on.

    Personally I think that’s what might be needed with a common formula determined by FIFA/UEFA.

  • edited March 2020

    At the end of the day, the FA have extended the season indefinitely for the Premier League and EFL. They've got to be true to their word and work with the leagues to get it completed, whenever that may be.

  • Would be very unsatisfactory to cut a season short for contract reasons. I'm happy to wait until a resumption is possible and then decide. I've not got enough energy to go through every possible scenario when the main key bit of information is missing.

    I just want some football back

  • Can you imagine how lucky Bolton would be if they survived almost going out of business, then were not relegated owing to the season being cut short, then maybe were not relegated AGAIN next season because it is cut short too?

    The reverse of that, obviously, is the situations of Liverpool, Leeds and Wycombe, who were all clearly marching to glory.

  • @Shev said:
    Can you imagine how lucky Bolton would be if they survived almost going out of business, then were not relegated owing to the season being cut short, then maybe were not relegated AGAIN next season because it is cut short too?

    The reverse of that, obviously, is the situations of Liverpool, Leeds and Wycombe, who were all clearly marching to glory.

    I'm not sure whether Bolton would rather start in league 1 with a huge points deduction again, or drop down a level with a clean slate

  • @Username said:

    I'm not sure whether Bolton would rather start in league 1 with a huge points deduction again, or drop down a level with a clean slate

    Given they’ve almost caught one team, despite playing with a youth team for quite a while, starting from -12 in League 1 with a full team might give a chance of staying up. Especially if other teams are then financially stretched and have weakened teams themselves.

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